Climate change

23 days ago by Track_Shovel to c/memes

UnderpantsWeevil 56 points 23 days ago

The Iran War is going to decrease fossil fuel consumption globally for the first time since COVID.

Shame we're locked into ten more years of escalation. But we've actually turned a corner, believe it or not.

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adjectivenoun 31 points 22 days ago

I work at a factory that makes components for electric vehicles, and also sells some stuff to defense contractors on the side. Two years ago, the Trump Administration completely fucked over my company by threatening previously-guaranteed CHIPS money and magically deleting Inflation Reduction Act measures intended to encourage adoption of EVs. Our demand dropped like a rock, we laid off 80% of our workforce, raises got frozen, equity turned to dust, etc. Then the US did Israel's bidding and started this asinine war with Iran. For a month there was nothing. Then the defense orders came trickling in. Then we couldn't keep those tools running fast enough. Finally, two months later, the EV stuff showed up like a flash flood in the Grand Canyon. Insane we were almost bankrupted by his stupidity, then saved by it. For my part, I'm going to try to upgrade my gas furnace to a heat pump before it gets cold.

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mobyduck648 7 points 22 days ago

Christ I wish housing wasn't so fucked in the UK. The odds of my landlord replacing the ancient gas boiler with a heat pump is nil, not when we're still fitting millions of new gas boilers, even to the few new builds that make it through planning ffs. Even if I owned my house a heat pump might not be feasible for various reasons, many of them down to our housing stock just being totally naff in various ways.

Don't get me wrong the Russians love to exaggerate our problems, but the best thing we can do to fuck the Kremlin over is getting the natural gas needle out of our collective arms which we're just not that interested in doing. Sure the grid is decarbonising but the majority of heating is still natural gas, and the grid can't be upgraded to fix this due to our genuine economic self-harm of discretionary planning where bored retirees and self-interested QUANGOs can delay everything to the point of non-viability.

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adjectivenoun 2 points 22 days ago

Are photovoltaics an option for you? I can buy a pallet of 32 of them for about $5k and from what I understand, this is despite hefty tariffs. They're approaching impulse buy territory. That said, I'm capable of installing them myself, which is a big part of the cost for most installations.

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mobyduck648 2 points 22 days ago

Probably not, I'm renting and I doubt I can convince the landlord!

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anonymouse2 29 points 23 days ago

Why is the solution always killing brown people?

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moth 4 points 22 days ago

it's the solution for white people. china has been steaming along at a breakneck pace towards renewable energy for years now. if it wasn't for their production capacity for photovoltaic cells and batteries, there wouldn't be a solar revolution right now.

of course, they also released a ton of oil when the Iran war started picking up, so that wasn't great, but it also maybe saved our asses as well.

https://youtu.be/BkA0bkb6ZO0

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galacticbackhoe 0 points 22 days ago

Or China doing all those things and killing brown people (Uyghurs).

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moth 2 points 22 days ago

while the plight of the Uyghur and other minority groups, and the deeply state-enforced Han supremacist policies are something to criticize China for, it has nothing to do with the recent move towards solar and renewable energy, and is a good example of whataboutism.

also, it's a bit racist to think of the Uyghurs and assume that they must be Arabs or Persians. the Uyghurs are native to central and east Asia, not what Westerners would refer to as the "Middle East", or West Asia/Eastern Africa.

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Malica 1 point 22 days ago

China pivoting is doing the most I think

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hash 21 points 23 days ago

Yeah, all the current events making diesel more expensive suck, and will hurt everyone's budget regardless if they drive. But we all know we need to use less diesel, right? We've just found the worst possible way to reduce the world's reliance on diesel.

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UnderpantsWeevil 17 points 23 days ago

That's Market Forces for you.

Making everyone feel the pain all at once in the worst way possible

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victorz 5 points 23 days ago

Holy fuck.

Can you imagine if this is Trump's deal, all along? Take the fall for being a douche, while waging war on Iran, making oil scarce, forcing us all to rely less on it, saving the planet?

Oh my god someone slap me out of this shit. I need to recenter myself. 🤚🫱😳💨

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HumanOnEarth 6 points 23 days ago

You know, I'm convinced with the right person in his ear, he could be convinced to play that angle.....Pysch! I was just doing this to save the world. Now we're going fully renewable! He just needs to believe that he'll be hailed as a hero.

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kestrel7_7 3 points 22 days ago

He’s not that stupid, and he’s also not that smart

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victorz 2 points 22 days ago

Thank you, I needed that.

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shawn1122 7 points 22 days ago

Might have been an understandable (albeit crass) geopolitical play if the West was leading in renewables but instead it has pushed low and middle income countries further into China's sphere of influence and also into purchasing more Russian oil.

History will see this as an accelerant in the process of global power shifting from West to East. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, the West has been resting on its laurel's for a bit too long now, so this was likely an inevitable transition.

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ElChinchilla 2 points 22 days ago

Hegemonic Shift

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UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 22 days ago

it has pushed low and middle income countries further into China’s sphere of influence and also into purchasing more Russian oil.

Idk about Russia, given how much of their infrastructure is being demolished.

But China has competitors in the green energy industry globally. The US just isn't one of them.

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wyldrstallyns 45 points 23 days ago

The "revolution" will not be televized, but it will be in portrait format and wobbly AF, in 30sec snippets. 🥲🤷🏼‍♂️

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floquant 18 points 22 days ago

The revolution will have frequent ad breaks

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Natanox 12 points 22 days ago

The revolution will be sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends

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wyldrstallyns 4 points 22 days ago

...and Brawndo's temu cousin, from the looks of it.

Frankly, the Revolution© will be the ad breaks. 🤢😢

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DupaCycki 14 points 22 days ago

It's incredibly depressing that rich countries (mostly NA, EU, Japan) account for 92% of all CO2 emissions to date, but only suffer 1% of deaths, and about 15% of material damages caused by climate change.

Source: 'Less Is More' by Jason Hickel

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poVoq 1 point 22 days ago

That must be based on very old data, for a better overview on historic CO2 emissions see: https://www.wri.org/...

And also, historic CO2 emissions are not a very helpful blame game when the reduction of current CO2 emissions is urgently necessary (and often they are only used to justify continued high emissions).

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Chaf 1 point 22 days ago

(Sorry this got so long, I got nerd-sniped once again, and I'm not even really disagreeing with you, I think.)

How are historically high CO2 emissions used to justify continued high emissions? I could imagine the only argument here that could be made would be by countries that have not yet emitted as much as other countries, and in some way one might even be inclined to say that they are right. Even if it's the wrong approach.

Also what you posted are yearly CO2 emissions, what @DupaCycki@lemmy.world was talking about is cumulative emissions. Granted, even there it's not nearly as clear cut as 92% for rich countries, but still considerable.

According to ourworldindata USA and EU (I think that does not include the UK any more) are still in the lead, but you are right, if the trend continues that's just a matter of time. However even then, when it comes down to population, USA + EU are way less people than China, and when summing USAs and EUs emissions , it will take way longer for china to "catch up"... I'm not even sure where I'm going with this, just trying to give some perspective.

However overall I still have to agree with you - eventually comparing CO2 emissions of countries with each other does not make too much sense. Not because those countries aren't at fault, rather because manufacturing and consumption is not tied to countries any more. Even within countries CO2 emissions vary a lot by purchase power.

semi-relevant rambling - you made me curious and I looked at the emissions according to income, I don't doubt that you refute them, but since I looked it up anyways I might as well leave the links here

It still stands though, that "industrialized" countries are more responsible for the whole mess. ourworldindata has a nice visualization of that. High-income countries are roughly 62%, "upper-middle-income" 28%, which leaves 6% for the lower-middle-income countries and a whooping ~1% for the low-income countries (There are some big rounding errors in there). Assuming the population distribution is somewhat similar to the one according to the world bank(also ourworldindata), the only conclusion here is that high-income countries are a lot more responsible for this whole mess. I doubt anyone actually disagrees with that.

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poVoq 2 points 22 days ago

The article I linked is also about cummulative emmissions.

And sure there are many ways to look at it, but historical cummulative emmissions is consitently used as a talking point by some of the current highest emmitters to justify inaction.

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Chaf 1 point 22 days ago

Oh yeah, I missed the one about global historical cumulative emissions, sorry. In my defense, it was the second to last graph on a not very well-arranged page.

And you are right, the numbers can always be turned one way or the other, and in the end what counts is reducing emissions, but I'd say @DupaCycki@lemmy.worlds point stands - the countries that caused the most CO2 emissions have less to worry about in terms of damage due to climate change. Yet.

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ceenote 14 points 23 days ago

Frankly, I'd prefer this over the more likely scenario: Not all locations are equally susceptible to climate change related disasters. The people who made their wealth wrecking the earth are going to fill those places, and leave the rest of us to survive as best we can in the hurricanes, mudslides, and heatwaves.

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prettybunnys 1 point 22 days ago

North America and Russia are supposed to see a wild increase to arable land while the global south gets fucked, as usual.

Might be part of why they’re going so hard in the “get em all out and keep em out” schtick

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ChaoticNeutralCzech 14 points 23 days ago

At that point, such a high percentage of people will be seeking wildfire/flood/hurricane/etc. relief that your footage won't even make the first 10 pages of GoFundMe

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MousePotatoDoesStuff 5 points 23 days ago

and GoFundMe may or may not still be up at that point

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Jumi 11 points 22 days ago

It is already here, I took pictures of cracked earth and dry riverbeds this summer and I live in fucking Middle Europe.

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mobyduck648 5 points 22 days ago

There was drought in Wales. I know non-UK people might not appreciate how wild this is, so I'll add that Wales is popularly considered the place where they make the rain. Not this year though!

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Jumi 3 points 22 days ago

My area is supposed to be humid as well but it has been arid for years now but never as bad as it was this year

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cantstopthesignal 11 points 22 days ago

Back in my day you could just enjoy the terrifying land slides in the moment and didn't need to record it on your phone for social validation.

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Track_Shovel 1 point 22 days ago

Was this typed from under turtle mountain?

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cantstopthesignal 1 point 22 days ago

Only old heads get this reference.

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Iammetheone 9 points 22 days ago

I agree. Look at how many natural disasters have happened recently and what are people doing? Nothing. What are politicians or people who hold power are doing? They are Building more data centre and accelerating more industries that will lead to a faster destruction of this planet.

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reka 8 points 22 days ago

Me looking at my phone: Damn, I'd sure hate to be the guy this meme is talking about!

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late_pessimistic 7 points 22 days ago

And natural disasters still isn't the worst part of climate change already happening

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 7 points 22 days ago

Nah, I'm gonna move to the other side of the line when it gets close. Climate disasters only happen once in an area ever.

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CADmonkey 2 points 22 days ago

Laughs in Moore, Oklahoma

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anonymouse2 6 points 23 days ago

Can't wait for my beach front property.

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Track_Shovel 2 points 22 days ago

🎶 in Ar-iii-zoooon-uh

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RockBottom 6 points 23 days ago

Or by the time it arrives in your area you're used to it and don't bother anymore to film it. There's a generation alive now that never knew a normal climate.

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victorz 3 points 23 days ago

normal climate

"But this climate is normal?"

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RockBottom 2 points 22 days ago

It's out of whack.

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victorz 3 points 22 days ago

To us who lived in the before times, yeah.

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MousePotatoDoesStuff 5 points 23 days ago

At least I won't have to worry about dying from it because the cameraman never dies /j

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IrateAnteater 5 points 23 days ago

I think Ontario has the craziest dichotomy here. You can live right in the middle of the biggest collection of surface freshwater on the planet, and it's the fires that are most likely to get you.

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Asetru 5 points 23 days ago

... and then you either move somewhere else and watch the footage from the people you passed or you die.

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gibson 5 points 22 days ago
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betanumerus 4 points 22 days ago

If only EVERY post about climate change was entitled "Climate change" with no subtitle or summary!

THEN we'd ALWAYS know what to click and we'd NEVER waste out time!

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Cnote5 3 points 23 days ago

The awareness fundraisers after the awards shows and film festivals are gonna be lit.

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lena 3 points 22 days ago

This seems like an interesting videogame concept

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Hadriscus 3 points 22 days ago

Cyclone Chido hit us in december 2024, it felt a bit like the end of days. I think it was comparable to what people near or in the gulf of Mexico experience every few years. Then I saw what hit Nepal not even a month ago (GLOF or glacial lake outburst flood), then the floods in China. These are terrifying. They can't happen where I live but there are other perils : running out of drinking water, more cyclones. We're entering rainy season now.

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Jankatarch 3 points 22 days ago

The global warming will not be televised.

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FatVegan 1 point 22 days ago

Social media weirdos being jelous of all the attention tgese dying people get.

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QueenHawlSera -1 points 22 days ago

At this point, I welcome the destruction of our world.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 7 points 22 days ago

Okay Schopenhauer no playing with time machines for you

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late_pessimistic 3 points 22 days ago

Not for the animals. They had no part in this

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Juice 1 point 22 days ago

Its cuffing season for apocalypse cults

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