Anon identifies a trope

19 days ago by 🍹Early to RISA 🧉 to c/greentext

Ummdustry 72 points 19 days ago

it's a subset of villain decay You have a horror antagonist, it becomes the most popular/recognisable part of your franchise, you can't make it too hateable, so it becomes less evil over time.

See also: Terminator 2

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caseyweederman 25 points 19 days ago

Terminator 2 was a dramatic subversion though, no decay there. They told you, straight up, in-character, "we reprogrammed this evil robot to fight the other evil robot" and the rest of the movie is an exploration of morality.
"What are you doing!? I told you not to kill anyone!"
"They'll live"

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Earthwormjim91 14 points 18 days ago

The whole point was that the T-800 was a bottom barrel cyborg. They were all modeled after Arnold, but there were thousands of them.

They basically found a junker in the trash and reprogrammed it. He was NOT the same T-800 from The Terminator. He was a completely different robot.

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BigPotato 1 point 2 days ago

Less of a villain decay but also perspective - Arnold was the most iconic part of Terminator and so the writers found a logical way to retcon the actor to continue playing the role.

In universe, John is exposed to the T800 as a hero but his mom only knows him as a killing machine. These characters have to grapple with the role reversal in story. In Saw no one (that I recall) ever said "Wait, isn't this guy just an asshole?"

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coolie4 48 points 19 days ago

I only vaguely remember, but wasn't everyone he killed supposed to be connected to his wife's death somehow.

Edit: it was actually his kid I was thinking of. I marathon watched them all years ago and never felt the need to watch again

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fonix232 53 points 19 days ago

No, not at all.

The two victims of the first movie, Adam and Dr Gordon, have very little connections to Kramer himself. Gordon was the oncologist who diagnosed Kramer/Jigsaw with cancer, and was cold/uncaring. Kramer’s investigation later revealed that he’s cheating on his wife, and said wife hired Adam, a photographer, to get evidence.

The second movie, most victims are “wasting their lives”, plus a bunch of violent criminals, and of course, the (corrupt) lead detective’s son.

The third movie revolves around a boy’s death - his parents, the drunk driver who killed him, the judge who went easy on him, a witness who refused to testify, etc.

Saw IV: yet another group of “life wasters” plus Kramer’s business partner who screwed him over.

Saw V: a bunch of people whose negligence caused a deadly building fire.

Saw VI: insurance claim denial chain (Luigi’d them)

Saw 3D: a fake Jigsaw survivor who’s cashing in on the lie and all the people enabling him

2017 movie: criminals and their enablers

But you’re not entirely wrong. The first actual murder/test Kramer did was revenge on the junkie whose actions led to the miscarriage of Kramer’s son. His wife, however, dies later, AFTER Kramer himself has already died.

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DaGeek247 15 points 19 days ago

begoigen

New word! googles

Dammit, it's just a new typo not a new word.

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Thanks for the writeup. I will never watch these, but it's neat to be aware of what might be in the zeitgeist right now.

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samus12345 19 points 19 days ago

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extremeboredom 9 points 19 days ago

I too searched for Begoigen

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Ceruleum 6 points 19 days ago

Begoigen!

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fonix232 5 points 19 days ago

Negligence. Fucking iOS 27 keyboard. Autocorrect has been awful for the past two releases.

Also, why not watch them? They're popcorn horror after the first one.

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DaGeek247 3 points 19 days ago

I don't watch horror movies. I do not do well with them. It's a blanket rule for me.

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threeonefour 29 points 19 days ago

The TVTropes article for this seems to be Even Evil Has Standards. The idea being to emphasize that something or someone is so evil that even an evil person finds it appalling.

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fibojoly 22 points 19 days ago

The Code of Harry for Dexter is this type so is say that fits for the concept of not picking random people, but I think OP is more about the drift. That would be Flanderization, in my opinion. When one defining trait of a character progressively gets pushed to eleven until it becomes their only trait.

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OrganicMustard 14 points 19 days ago

Without TVTropes paywall Even Evil Has Standards

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Whats_your_reasoning 9 points 19 days ago

Wait, I've never encountered a paywall on TVTropes. I don't see it when I click OP's link either. Is this something new?

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OrganicMustard 2 points 19 days ago

You have to disable your ad blocker or pay 5 bucks a month

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glimse 3 points 19 days ago

That link loaded fine for me? With and without an adblocker

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Skullgrid 3 points 19 days ago

Paywall?

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rumschlumpel 6 points 19 days ago

If OOP's characterization is accurate, you could argue for anti-hero. Seems too much for Evil Has Standards.

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11111one11111 4 points 15 days ago

The DC cinematic universe lol

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