Revolutionary France basically ended feudalism in one delirious evening. Change can definitely happen fast. Anyone tells you otherwise is ignoring the march of History.

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agamemnonymous 16 points 11 days ago

"Basically" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. You can't ignore the years of buildup just because the climax itself happens quickly.

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njm1314 2 points 11 days ago

Who is ignoring it? Buildup happens all the time. Its happening now.

Now by buildup of course im assuming you mean anger, frustration, dissatisfaction, and resentment. Because if you mean detailed planning then no. That's absolutely not how it went. I literally mean one delirious night.

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agamemnonymous 0 points 11 days ago

Now by buildup of course im assuming you mean anger, frustration, dissatisfaction, and resentment.

As well as material suffering and broader radicalization. As bad as things are right now, people generally aren't literally starving.

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Steve 19 points 12 days ago

The asset class has been pushing this change, increment by increment, piece by piece, for roughly 50 years.
It hasn't been fast.

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LovelyMover 15 points 11 days ago

Always amazes how prices on everything skyrocket instantly for no good reason, then never get reduced even after whatever sound bite allegedly caused them, is over.

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Artisian 1 point 11 days ago

Are we sure this is economically unreasonable? I think this happens in many financial systems; all you need is for a price increase in one place to cause cost increases at a delay (ie, fast inflation), eg: by workers getting paid more so they can afford the aforementioned price increase.

(We should also note there are markets that don't do this. Air travel is a notable example.)

More interesting to me is price spikes when there's no actual increase in costs. Several of those as of late.

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LovelyMover 4 points 11 days ago

Prices go up, governments react to help the industries that take the money but fail to lower the prices for consumers, it happens time & time again. Even if the benefit is passed onto consumers it never returns to the pre"whatever" price, it is always slightly higher. Can you think of a thing that got a price hike that then returned to the same price, or less?

I'm sure it must happen but I'm not seeing it.

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Artisian 2 points 10 days ago

I gave an example, no? Flight prices (on legs with a low-cost-carrier) are quite cost responsive, and have certainly raised and lowered back to where they started.

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LovelyMover 2 points 10 days ago

I'd consider that as more of a luxury item where they have to be responsive or lose a lot of money. Food on the other hand, everyone's gotta eat, those are the ones seem to only ever go up & up, & drops are still above original.

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usernamesAreTricky 12 points 12 days ago

The people saying it in good faith mean it takes time to build a coalition to actually get change through despite the powers that be fighting hard against it

The people saying it in bad faith are the powerful people making it take a long time

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njm1314 11 points 12 days ago

No. There is a third group. The group that says fighting against the powers that be is a lot easier if you take them all and put them up against a wall.

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impairedimperator -1 points 11 days ago

Which leads to the second problem: who should we put up against the wall? The oligarchs aren't accessible to you...the nice house in the nice part of town is just the local doctor.

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whoisearth 7 points 12 days ago

Cheap. Fast. Good.

You can only have 2 of those at any time.

For a rich person cheap is never in the equation so for them everything is fast and good.

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Whostosay 9 points 12 days ago

The only exception of course is, your mom

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whoisearth 3 points 12 days ago

Mum is fast and cheap

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Whostosay 5 points 12 days ago

Pre good too tho

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jaybone 2 points 11 days ago

2 Fat 2 Furious

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LilB0kChoy 7 points 12 days ago

That’s not really change though. At least, not in America.

In America that’s business as usual.

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Fontasia 5 points 11 days ago

Bandaids and cosmetic change is fast, reform is slow

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LovableSidekick 4 points 11 days ago

Good luck getting America to "rise up" - most present-day Americans couldn't revolt their way out of a Walmart.

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cloudshouter 4 points 11 days ago

The distance problem compounds the money problem and the time problem. Look at how relatively few people showed up for the Jan 6 insurrection, and that was out of some 60 million frothing cultist lunatics. Nearly every one I knew would have gone if they didn’t have bills, work, and the time to travel that far.

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LovableSidekick 1 point 11 days ago

I srsly doubt that... look at the ominously promised "actions" in state capitals on Biden's inauguration day. Attendance was pathetic - mostly in the teens or lower, even though in half the states the average driving distance to the capital is under 100 miles. I think what happened was all the fed-up fist-shaking magatards who'd "had enough" saw the Jan 6 loonies being arrested and facing consequences for their actions, so they hunkered down at home and yelled at their TVs. That's about the most you can expect from the angry right wing at large. Now, contrast that with the BLM movement - marches went on week after week in city after city, all that summer, in spite of arrests, beatdowns, and even some deaths. The difference between the two is genuine commitment.

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bcgm3 4 points 11 days ago

A dream too long deferred is a dream denied.

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Formfiller 2 points 11 days ago

Well we better get to it because shit is bad

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deft 2 points 11 days ago

Infrastructure to do this already exists it's very easy for them to bail wall street out cause they've done it plenty of times before.