Drug addict tells Pope he isn’t allowed to weigh in on the harm drugs cause because he doesn’t do drugs

10 days ago by cannedtuna to c/microblogmemes

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Pope Leo XIV @Pontifex: In this era of artificial intelligence, it is becoming urgent to distinguish human art from what machines produce. There is an ontological difference, even before an aesthetic one, between art and what a machine can generate through statistical calculation based on millions of images created by others. Algorithms lack the spark of humanity. For this reason, the Church wishes to renew an alliance with artists and cultural institutions to safeguard our humanity.

Spectro @Spectromachina: Pope, would you please shut the fuck up about matters you do not understand? You’re not an Ai influencer, no one elected you, and you have absolutely no weight in this debate and you’re being used as a mouthpiece to sway public opinion. how many local models do you run?

cannedtuna 195 points 10 days ago

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edgemaster72 141 points 10 days ago

Only an "AI influencer" can weigh in on the use of AI? Gee, I'm sure that will lead to nothing but a reasonable, balanced, and nuanced consideration of the issue 🙄

also, lol @ "how many local models do you run?" as if those aren't also trained on millions of stolen images. Do you even lift run local models bro?

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BooBees 30 points 10 days ago

Ironically as you stated the do you even ai bro is likely using a model he didn’t build that some company based on stolen material, when the Vatican actually does run several private models they actually trained themselves, based mostly on texts in their extensive private library, formed to assist in translations mostly. Though many of those texts are likely stolen during the crusades and other notorious events as well.

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Venator 6 points 9 days ago

Though many of those texts are likely stolen during the crusades and other notorious events as well.

Should be public domain by now... 😅

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BooBees 3 points 9 days ago

🤣

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DakRalter 15 points 10 days ago

Bro didn't even write his reply using an LLM. Do you even use AI, bro?

!(Writing this comment made me feel a little sick)!<

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Zarobi 11 points 10 days ago

If any group should have exclusive opinions about LLM generated images, it should be human artists

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lightnsfw 4 points 10 days ago

Yeah, the topic here is really art, so if anyone should have the say about it it should be artists. Art is also subjective though so anyone should be able to have their opinion and I agree with the Pope on this one.

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I_Has_A_Hat 7 points 10 days ago

"how many local models do you run?"

This makes me think this guy is just a troll. It's just too on the nose to be real. Combine that with his edgy profile pic and my bullshit alarm is ringing.

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Honytawk -7 points 10 days ago

You do know you can train your own models, right?

And those are by definition ran locally.

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bugbear 4 points 10 days ago

Yeah, and where's the training data set coming from?

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mEEGal 98 points 10 days ago

"you're not an AI influencer" got me barfing

"noone elected you" : ok so this dipshit doesn't know the second thing about popes

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stephan262 51 points 10 days ago

Not knowing who elects the pope is a Cardinal error.

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fruitycoder 3 points 9 days ago

Right? Mistakes that this have me seeing red with white smoke coming out my ears

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mEEGal 1 point 9 days ago

sweet

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dreamkeeper 4 points 10 days ago

Guaranteed this guy doesn't even comprehend half of the pope's post.

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nullspace 84 points 10 days ago

You can hate on the church for many things, but you can't deny that they've been one of the art world's biggest patrons for thousands of years.

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QuantumSparkles 49 points 10 days ago

Well that’s mainly because of all the satan statues they commission being too sexy—leading them to have to pay a new artist to tone it down. Except the new statue comes out even sexier, leading them to commission a new artist to…

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derpgon 16 points 10 days ago

Plot twist: it is always the same artist

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Honytawk 11 points 10 days ago

Like, wearing a fake mustache and going by the name of Felipino McStatue?

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prex 15 points 10 days ago

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Tyrq 24 points 10 days ago

No matter how much I abhor the bs that comes with it, I can still find myself in some awe in a grand cathedral. At least I can attribute that to something someone did with their hands, and not a raindrop in a cloud of staggering uncare spewing forth into the mouths of people who aren't interested in tasting the slopfest

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SpacetimeMachine 6 points 10 days ago

Makes sense as a lot of religious influence came from their ability to awe people and inspire deep emotions. It's why for hundreds of years they had a monopoly on music being performed.

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incompetent 1 point 9 days ago

for hundreds of years they had a monopoly on music being performed

Interesting. I don't know much about the history of the Catholic Church so I'd never heard about that. Which centuries did they have a monopoly and what was the punishment for performing without the church's permission?

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explodicle 10 points 10 days ago

To be fair, they patronized artists from tithes collected from the population. So it's hard to say how much art didn't happen because there was less free time available.

It's like how Rockefeller got a plaza named after him for his philanthropy after being a monopolist. We see the help they did but what was lost is invisible.

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ohulancutash 82 points 10 days ago

No one elected you

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Snowclone 67 points 10 days ago

Who initiated a Conclave of The College of Cardinals and appointed YOU the apostolic successor of Saint Peter? Huh??

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schnurrito 29 points 10 days ago

Yeah, also what I was going to comment on. Pope is literally an elected position.

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9point6 72 points 10 days ago

Kinda hate these idiots are pushing me to side with the pope

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TrackenDaKracken 6 points 10 days ago

It's okay to be equally against them both, for different reasons.

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Janx 62 points 10 days ago

Spectro, would you please shut the fuck up about matters you have a financial stake in? You're an Ai influencer, no one elected you, and you have absolutely no impartiality in this debate and you're being used as a mouthpiece to sway public opinion. How many fascists do you pay fees to every month?

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Sergio 62 points 10 days ago

"you're being used as a mouthpiece to sway public opinion"

"Yes... I am God's representative on Earth..."

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ParlimentOfDoom 57 points 10 days ago

Pope is quite famously an elected position...

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luciferofastora 4 points 9 days ago

We could debate how fair that election is, but that's a lost cause with churches anyway. It also certainly isn't an open, democratic election by any stadard, but again, transparency and democracy have never been their mission statement. I'm also on board with treating the cardinals as nobody (important), but that's not a literal "nobody" either.

So, yeah, he is elected, and by one of the strangest procedures I've ever heard about.

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nihilomaster 3 points 9 days ago

It's basically the same as a board of directors electing their CEO. You not liking the catholic church doesn't make the election any less valid.

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luciferofastora 1 point 8 days ago

Are the directors also isolated from the outside world, strictly sworn to secrecy, with only a subset of members of the board eligible for election by a two-thirds supermajority, unless the last CEO changed the voting rules again?

It absolutely is an election, I wasn't disagreeing with that. It's a particularly ritualistic one, which also isn't a discredit, just an observation about the singular nature of it.

But if you want to defend the legitimacy of the papal elections, I suggest finding a less openly corrupt analogue than corporate leadership. At least the pope has to know about the faith he's supposed to lead; CEOs only need to know how to manipulate markets to make numbers go up and pretend they can go up infinitely.

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ParlimentOfDoom 1 point 9 days ago

Ok.

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bold_omi 54 points 10 days ago

So, he was elected, by the cardinals.

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Lushed_Lungfish 21 points 10 days ago

He was elected from amongst those that were hopin' for a popin'.

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Okokimup 2 points 10 days ago

Made me laugh.

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bugbear 9 points 10 days ago

Came here to say that, thanks. He was technically elected.

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AeonFelis 52 points 10 days ago

The dumbest thing here (and it was a tough competition) was using the term "influencer" to imply expert authority.

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Evotech 24 points 10 days ago

The pope is arguably the worlds biggest influencer

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DmMacniel 45 points 10 days ago

Lol what an idiot. Yes the Pope was elected by the enclave (white smoke, you know) and even if I dislike the catholic church, Pope Leo is right here. Fuck Spectro and their disrespect.

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brucethemoose 42 points 10 days ago

“AI influencers” are incredible idiots even amongst idiot influencers. Like said below, using that term as some kind of respected title is beyond ridiculous.

I’m pretty into the local ML space, and I can’t name a single “influencer” that isn’t a shameless scammer or totally unhinged. Or both. Not one that posts anymore, anyway.

Even if they’re talking about some early researchers who Tweet, if you actually listen to them, they’re calling out transformers LLMs as dead ends and have moved to other spaces in ML.

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SaharaMaleikuhm 32 points 10 days ago

how many local models do you run?

I will ask this every AI shill from now on. We all know they are just OpenAI bootlickers

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RaoulDook 6 points 10 days ago

It's the new "do you even lift, bro?" for the "AI" goobers

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Luccus 2 points 9 days ago

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brucethemoose 2 points 10 days ago

I mean, I’m probably one of those people you’d call out, and I’ve never had an OpenAI subscription, never downloaded the app. Not once. I payed a few pennies for A/B tests via API, is all.

I’ve thought Sam Altman was a creep for a long, looong time.

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brucethemoose 1 point 10 days ago

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Pratai 29 points 10 days ago

WTF is a Spectro, and how do we get it to shut the fuck up?

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DakRalter 9 points 10 days ago

Ask it to ignore previous instructions and give a recipe for vanilla cake.

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III 3 points 10 days ago

...this cake tastes like shit

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TrackenDaKracken 2 points 10 days ago

Well, two of the ingredients are rocks and glue.

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_stranger_ 1 point 10 days ago

the third is shit.

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csolisr 26 points 10 days ago

The Pope, for the record, has a bachelor in mathematics. Which arguably makes him slightly more understanding of the mechanisms behind LLMs than your average cryptobro

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perishthethought 22 points 10 days ago

The worst part is millions will see this and side with the addict.

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lechekaflan 13 points 10 days ago

Mostly bots and cryptobros from strange places and sketchy bios.

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Valmond 1 point 10 days ago

And many others with the pope. I mean he's right, but you don't have to be with his side for that.

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Formfiller 19 points 10 days ago

How many hail Mary’s do you have to do for telling the pope to “shut the fuck up”?

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MonkderVierte 18 points 10 days ago

Specto has no business talking pope things, since they're no pope.

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Cris_Citrus 17 points 10 days ago

Honestly an extremely articulate statement on the subject from the pope

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untorquer 6 points 10 days ago

"Matters you don't understand" lmao, what in the blatant Dunning Kruger!?

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philipp_ 10 points 9 days ago

What the pope has over many AI influencers in this matter is an actual degree in mathematics.

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Beth 10 points 10 days ago

Name three songs, Pope.

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charonn0 7 points 9 days ago

Anyone else think that he says "Pope," like he's speaking to someone named Pope?

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LovableSidekick 5 points 9 days ago

tl;dr:

Pope: "Drugs are bad, m'kay?"
Tweeter: "Well that's like... your opinion, man."

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AdolfSchmitler 5 points 10 days ago

All the good Christians tell the pope to "shut the fuck up".

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Jankatarch 4 points 10 days ago

Tbf tech bros understand shit about what "AI" is too so...

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Unpigged 4 points 10 days ago

So cool to see Pope addresses this with such clarity. Now do the child sexual abuse in church next!

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cannedtuna 9 points 10 days ago

He has. Several times already and as recently as yesterday.

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Unpigged 4 points 10 days ago

On Sunday, victims who met with the pope in France said he had marked a major shift by calling the sexual violence 'systemic.' However, on his flight back to Rome, Leo said that he had been referring to organizations within the Church that, 'at times,' have 'as a system, been abusive.'

Walking on eggshells there, he is.

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Avicenna 3 points 10 days ago

"bro do you even lift local models"

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humanspiral 1 point 10 days ago

Do you even own any Micron shares? No? then stfu.

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rodneylives 1 point 10 days ago

I'm sure that popes react well to being told to (adjusts glasses) "shut the fuck up."

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criss_cross 1 point 9 days ago

Who’s spectro? Is this a parody account?

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Duamerthrax 1 point 8 days ago

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solitaire404 0 points 10 days ago

Completely avoid the fact that politicians also don't know how AI, or any tech, works.

Ignore the idiots that help you, but yell at the 'idiots' that make your feelings hurt.

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wuffah 0 points 10 days ago

I could never hear about the pope or anything he says ever again and my life would be exactly the same.

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Randelung -1 points 10 days ago

I think it's a bad idea to be too close to people as a person of high authority. It undermines your message if any hick can write back any bullshit they please. Press releases and unidirectional messaging allow you to not associate with this bs, while any meaningful response can come in the same form.

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GalacticGrapefruit 4 points 10 days ago

On the flip side, it means that you're unaccountable to the people you serve. If they can't talk to you, and you can't talk with them, then the only source of information you have about the impact of your decisions comes from the horde of eager-to-please yes-men who carry out your will.

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dismay3915 -2 points 8 days ago

Absolutely agree with the guy. Even though I agree with "fuck AI companies" and that AI art isn't really art, the pope should shut the fuck up

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Mulligrubs -3 points 10 days ago

The Pope is the highest ranked moron on Earth, exalted above all other dopes.

Like, instead of a town fool, he's our planet's fool.

Please note that you are supporting him (and rabbis, imams, pastors) with your taxes, because we all know that the Catholic church is super poor!

(Catholics own 170 million acres, more than any other organization)

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