Trump announces deal for Russian diesel as Zelensky calls it a 'gift to Putin'

2 days ago by abc to c/world

Ukraine's president sharply criticised the move, calling it an "investment in war that must be ended, not prolonged".
llamatron 158 points 2 days ago

Hey US, your traitor is traitoring again. You guys really should do something about that.

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BlindPenguin 63 points 2 days ago

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Jiral 23 points 2 days ago

Those are on the traitors side, though. Most of them anyway.

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Wildmimic 2 points 2 days ago

Eh, i would rather say it's somewhere around a 40-60 split, with the difference of the educational background of those two groups heavily favouring the non-traitor side, so an upset victory against the "Army of Yokels" is in the cards.

I find it so sad that i, who really prefers that people talk with each other to overcome their differences instead of shooting at each other, don't see any way out for the US outside of a civil war, at least if it should happen in the next 50 years.

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TheFeatureCreature 43 points 2 days ago

Best they can do is shrug and say "well, I didn't vote for him"

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Whostosay 9 points 2 days ago

So odd how every single time there's US election, this sentiment comes out like clockwork.

"Better blame the people that knew better, they're the exact same as those that sponsored this unhinged bullshit"

Let's pretend to take the high ground while generalizing

Please do enlighten us and say what you would do.

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TheFeatureCreature 6 points 2 days ago

Something? Literally anything at all? At the absolute bare-minium... not electing a convicted felon and child rapist to the highest office twice? The DeFlock movement has more teeth than the pushback against Trump does. You want a good idea of what you could start doing to push back against GOP fascism then there is a place to start.

I live in a country that the Trump regime is currently engaged in hostile actions against, including credible threats of physical invasion. Forgive me for being harsh here, but it's not my job to fix the US's shit nor is it the job of anyone else that the US is/has been fucking with. I'm having to have conversations with my friends and family about the impact the US trade war has had on their jobs and our economy and what we're going to do if that fascist shitstain actually invades us. I cannot put into words how frustrating it is to constantly deal with Americans that have done absolutely nothing to prevent this outcome while apologising for Trump's actions like he's a poodle that dumped on our lawn. Even worse when these empty apologies come from people that admitted that they don't vote.

Do better. Fix your shit; it's not our job to do it for you. We have enough issues going on here at home that we're dealing without without having to teach Americans about how their own system works while their boot is on our necks.

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Whostosay 2 points 2 days ago

|Best they can do is shrug and say "well, I didn't vote for him"

|Something? Literally anything at all? At the absolute bare-minium... not electing a convicted felon and child rapist to the highest office twice?

These are the same.

That said, you're not going to gain any sympathy or legitimately help with this shit, so I don't know what your end goal is. I get that you're upset and it's easy to throw stones, but it's almost an impossibility we fix this in house. We have more military bases that are permanent fixtures in other countries than we have states and we have way too fucking many of those too. Fascism isn't an us problem, it's an everyone problem. The apparatus that they've used to dominate the planet and pillage is now being pointed inward, but this time it has a camera in a every neighborhood.

CA has a long history of helping us gain this amount of global influence and power as well, and this didn't happen in a vacuum.

Long story short, you're preaching to the choir on this platform, and same team. This isn't helping.

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Wildmimic 1 point 2 days ago

That is exactly the thing i was trying to emphasize - other countries do not want to deal with all of the shit coming from the current US admin. We all are very transparently aiming towards a world order where we all are not dependent on a state that switches allegiance based on how much dirt the russian opposition has on the current president of the US - and yes, he is a fucking child rapist. People who voted for him should be put on a database for potential childfuckers - that midset is infectious, at least of the level of measels, and probably even on a deeper level.

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bedwyr 4 points 2 days ago

Well said.

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wampus 3 points 2 days ago

Well, to start, all the rich left winger hollywood sorts should be funneling their absurd wealth into programs and initiatives that counter the authoritarian fascist agenda. Oh, no, those people, like Leonardo Di Caprio, are too busy preaching to us about green/progressive values, while slutting around with 25 yo models on private 'carbon-footprints go brrrrrrr' yachts in the Mediterranean, and or funneling their money into pro-Israel/genocide denial/PR spin efforts, etc. The notion that the right wing has all the money is strange, its more that the progressives just dont want to contribute / back up their words with actions. And, what goes for those hollywood showboaters, goes for a large majority of Americans who come online and whine about it not being their fault.

And it goes triple for the democratic leaders, who are either too limpwristed/ineffectual to be able to accomplish anything significant, or are quietly complicit/encouraging the same general agenda -- implying that, based on your democratic process, the agenda isn't a "wedge issue" between the two sides of the country, but they're all basically in lock step. Afterall, some democratic politicians have said they favour the tariff approach, but they'd be 'nicer' in the language as they tried to fuck all America's allies over -- and it's highly unlikely that they'll do much to reverse the damage Trump is causing on that front.

And yes, if there's no representation / your government's gone rogue, the assumption from the rest of the world is that the American people would nut up and solve it with Violence. Because news-flash, that's the image America has branded itself as historically -- and they're increasingly showing that they only understand the threat/use of violence on the world stage in terms of international relations.

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bedwyr 4 points 2 days ago

As opposed to what? Overthrowing the most powerful empire on earth?

Kids these days, just lazy, am I right?

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Frostible 3 points 2 days ago

i swear ever since i was born into bush the goalposts just keep moving and all the adults seem to do is blame the kids, instead of taking any of that accountability for themselves like they greedily do with everything else

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bedwyr 2 points a day ago

To be fair, blaming the youth is as old as time. The romans were bitching about their soft youth back in 300 BC.

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JeeBaiChow 3 points 2 days ago

'They are the same! Trump wears power suits, has dark skin, spends hours on his hair, and has strange mannerisms and all!'

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JeeBaiChow 23 points 2 days ago

Make him president?

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SpaceNoodle 25 points 2 days ago

Third time's the charm

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bigfish 7 points 2 days ago

Again?

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CMDR_Horn 6 points 2 days ago

Replace Benedict Arnold with Donald Trump in the American lexicon

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bedwyr 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah he does that. Don't worry, he sucks at it. And he will get sleepy and take a little nappy soon.

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kurmudgeon 58 points 2 days ago

Trump also raped children.

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iamthetot 6 points 2 days ago

Don't be ridiculous. You cannot prove that he doesn't still rape children.

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Wildmimic 42 points 2 days ago

Lol, the sludge the russian refineries are producing nowadays would absolutely fuck up any recent US car; even the cars in Russia currently have a shockingly high frequency of garage trips. If you are lucky, you only have to swap out the fuel filter, if you are unlucky, your engine becomes a chunk of scrap metal. There are videos of people pulling slimy chunks of whatever the fuck that stuff is out of their fuel.

And what Diesel exactly does Putin want to export? Only probable way i can currently imagine is transporting crude to India and the refined Diesel from there to the US. Russia is currently a net Diesel IMPORTER.

Btw, there is no guarantee Russian crude or Diesel ever makes it to the US, and that is something that even the US can't prevent. UA is very adapt at transmuting russian tankers into pillars of flame and smoke nowadays.

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mobyduck648 21 points 2 days ago

Most credible Russian emissions control

Most credible Russian emissions control, it's not just the Kuznetsov!

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Wildmimic 18 points 2 days ago

That swimming transgression against air quality is gone at least, and the Ukrainians are funnily not the cause, it was all self inflicted.

  • first, the refit was delayed for years
  • then, the largest floating drydock they had sank because of an power outage, smashing a 19m² hole into the boat with a 70 ton crane
  • while they tried to fix this damage and upgrade the systems, a large fire broke out that caused 8 times the amount of financial damage the crane caused
  • and then they took the 1500 crewmen and sent them to the frontline

There are currently no plans to reactivate this abomination

Late Edit: And this is the reason why OSHA and comparable institutions are important. This chain of events could have never happened in a country that takes workplace safety serious.

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mobyduck648 7 points 2 days ago

Ah I wasn't aware she'd been decommissioned, Poseidon himself has finally got fed up with the Russian Navy smoking in his house!

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Wildmimic 6 points 2 days ago

She hasn't been decommissioned officially yet, but there also aren't any plans to get it working again because of the exorbitant costs for that. Add to that the problems of getting parts to bring her to a somewhat recent standard, and the only future i see for this thing is trading its scrap value for some Pepsi. Edit: which would be the second time Pepsi had a military navy - i am totally for that happening again!

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FlashMobOfOne 9 points 2 days ago

the sludge the russian refineries are producing nowadays would absolutely fuck up any recent US car

Donald does not think long-term, and he certainly doesn't give a crap how this affects consumers, provided the negative effects don't manifest close enough to the election to make his prospects worse. He and his candidates are going to get their asses kicked in November, though.

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Duamerthrax 8 points 2 days ago

I'm going to laugh so hard if my father fucks his new truck up running that shit because he refuses to use my biodiesel in anything other than the tractors on the farm.

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bedwyr 2 points 2 days ago

I do not doubt you one little bit, but do you have a source on the russian distillates being downgrade? Because if you do, I can cite it.

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Wildmimic 6 points 2 days ago

https://tass.com/economy/2169449 -> russia allows sale of EURO-2 fuel

https://youtu.be/e4RUtVt7Mv8?t=161 -> low quality fuel causing issues with cars

I am still searching for the clip of the epic sludge in some batches of fuel. it was in a live stream of the "Inside Russia" Youtube Channel, and he posts very long and exhaustive videos, so it might take me a bit to find the source i was talking about, but these clips (especially the one from the guy who used a nylon stocking to filter the fuel) are a good basis, although what that guy had in his filter was childs play to some batches i have seen which were sold on the black market.

Edit: still searching, but to recreate the needed mental image, the crap in the black market stuff is somewhat like jello with strings in it. Even if your fuel filter is capable pf dealing with the more solid stuff, the amorph crap in there will probably make it beyond that barrier and will fuck up everything regarding fuel injection that is the default nowadays.

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SaharaMaleikuhm 2 points 2 days ago

If Ukraine hits those ships, Trump will say Zelensky attacked the US and seize all support. He is looking for an opportunity to finally align with his favorite Tsar

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FiniteBanjo 30 points 2 days ago

Russia's literally got lines for fuel, Trump's just lying about the fuel coming into the US after G7 released its' reserves to make Putin look good.

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testaccount372920 38 points 2 days ago

The way I see it, Putin managed to convince Trump to put himself in a position where he has to pressure Ukraine into stopping attacks on Russian refineries. This is a straight up win for Putin.

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Wildmimic 15 points 2 days ago

Yeah, but there is no fucking way UA will stop their attacks, because it is the most viable way of bringing russia to its knees.

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corsicanguppy 8 points 2 days ago

I can see the "USA has to stop Ukraine from its attacks on America's vital gas supply" headlines already.

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Wildmimic 2 points 2 days ago

I can also see the inevitable "US Military gets it's nose bloodied against a country with a shitton of drones while being fucking overextended regarding logistics with the problems that come with that Part II" headline following.

Edit: The situation in the black sea is close to the situation in Hormuz - no sane Freigher wants to go there. And in the north sea they have the issue with some european states finally finding their balls they had misplaced sometime in the past and actually stopping shadow fleet tankers and selling off their goods - and only because the US says so, the EU sanctions do not disappear.

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bedwyr 4 points 2 days ago

Glory to Ukraine!

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Wildmimic 2 points 2 days ago

Yes, and every Russian behind their atrocitiies should burn in hell.

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metermatic26 21 points 2 days ago

FU America

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UltraGiGaGigantic 1 point 2 days ago

Fuck us in the US indeed

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Cheebus 17 points 2 days ago

Here is my running theory:

Trump attacked Iran to create a fuel crisis to give him an excuse to end Russian oil sanctions

Trump is a Russian asset, which makes US are serfs for Russia

Trump blew bubba

Putin isn’t Bubba, he’s another person Trump blew

Trump is closeted bisexual and got into it with dudes at Epstein parties

Epstein was one of the master of ceremonies for the secret society that controls all of us

People are starting to notice The Society

The Society is building AI in a last ditch effort to preserve their lifestyles at our expense

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Batmorous 2 points a day ago

They are trying to but with fail and will continue to fail. The more people doing the better it gets for us all. Keep doing everyone and get more people actively working together!

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melsaskca 1 point a day ago

The only reason Iran was attacked is because of the potential release of incriminating trump/epstein organized pedophile cabal related files. He needed a huge deflection/distraction and this bullet was always in the breach.

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betanumerus 15 points 2 days ago

All while "Russia to hunt Ukrainian civilians with drones": https://lemmy.ca/post/72132843

Buying diesel now kills Ukrainians, and trump boasts about it, livestreams executions, and calls people who correctly say "artificial intelligence" his "enemies". The djt strategy appears to be to sucker punch everyone in an attempt to escape his own personal troubles.

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Avicenna 4 points 2 days ago

he doesn't just boast, he also wants eight nobel prizes

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Malica 12 points 2 days ago

Jfc I'm so fucking angry about this

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UltraGiGaGigantic 5 points 2 days ago

So angry youre going to....

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smeenz 4 points 2 days ago

... post on lemmy !

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YragNitram1956 11 points 2 days ago

What a surprise!

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Wildmimic 2 points 2 days ago

Sorry, not gay enough. Geopolitically Trump is practically offering his anus to pleasure Putin.

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rayyy 10 points 2 days ago

It’s a bullshit publicity scam. The amount of oil amounts to 15 minutes of diesel. It shows his allegiance to Putin.

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Wildmimic 4 points a day ago

It's more accurately 14 hours of US diesel consumption. This will not change the price at the pump outside of a fraction of a cent.

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Eyekaytee 9 points 2 days ago

coincidence it’s what https://giftforputin.com/ was called before weapons to ukraine

the question i have is how much diesel does russia have spare

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Wildmimic 1 point 2 days ago

The answer is: not much. Russia is in this year a net diesel importer, propped up by selling crude at a steep discount to some countries (mainly india) who do not give a fuck about sanctions. If the EU is really serious, they gotta fuck shit up in this regard.

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BlindPenguin 7 points 2 days ago

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bedwyr 1 point 2 days ago

Iran should kill the Saudi Royal family. Just get the pieces in place and wait.

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WanderWisley 6 points 2 days ago

So much winning! 🫲🍊🫱

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minorkeys 3 points 2 days ago

How are they going to get it to the US? Ukraine isn't going to let that diesel ship from the Azov and Ukraine can destroy any pipeline that moves it to the east for shipping.

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Prior_Industry 2 points a day ago

They are already at sea. It appears this discussion between Trump and Putin has been in the works a while.

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Greyghoster 2 points 2 days ago

After the US Russia deal to help the mid term elections, there is a call for a new president! Bizarrely it is Demented Don calling for Zelensky to step down. https://www.smh.com.au/...

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SnarkoPolo 1 point 2 days ago

World War III is already on. Russia will invade Europe, and the United States will fight for Putin.

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crypt0cler1c 2 points 2 days ago

🤣

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