IzzyScissor 275 points 3 years ago

Remember, if someone asks you if you verbally agreed to 24k, you say NO. You verbally agreed to 42k and have the paperwork to match. There is no discrepancy.

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RaivoKulli 16 points 3 years ago

I would be really worried that they'll get me somehow over this and fuck me up legally.

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m_r_butts 208 points 3 years ago

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pomodoro_longbreak 92 points 3 years ago

Exactly, accounts signed off on this, so clearly it's not crazy. Who knows maybe they're thinking "Wow I can't believe we got this person for only 42"

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unphazed 8 points 3 years ago

Yeah I have no clue the avg cost of living in the UK, but in WV, US, I make 40k a year just answering phones and that's a soso wage around here. Livable, barely, retirement nigh impossible.

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pomodoro_longbreak 3 points 3 years ago

That sounds like a pretty good salary, but I have heard that US salaries are much higher than in my country, because folks are almost wholly (individually) responsible for looking after their basic needs, including retirement (? but I think medicaid does a lot?).

Do you get to work from home at least? My sister's worked phones for over a decade now, mostly from home, and looks like she'll probably retire off of that job. Certainly not living large, but comfortable.

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unphazed 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, we don't have humanitary laws. No healthcare, we famously stated food is not a human right, etc. That would be scary echo socialllliiiism... so yeah when I get cancer (WV are more likely to get cancer than other states) I'll just go broke and lose my house and land to Blackrock or Vanguard invested companies... probably.

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Wogi 3 points 3 years ago

WV is one of the lowest cost of living states in the country.

I used to make 40k in Nebraska and I was barely scraping by, we're not much higher up the list.

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Hyzerflip 147 points 3 years ago

Not saying a word…but posting it to the world.

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heird 42 points 3 years ago

Ah yes Mr Fesshole

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idiomaddict 31 points 3 years ago

Sending it to an anonymous secret tweeting account. It’s like sending it to postsecret

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ech 7 points 3 years ago

jeez. I haven't thought of postsecret in ages. Just checked and it looks like they're still going, too. Nice!

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explodicle 21 points 3 years ago

We've got to give employers some incentive to start reading antiwork!

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MystikIncarnate 98 points 3 years ago

Wouldn't matter if they did. Unless you agree to the pay cut, you're getting the written amount. If they insist it's supposed to be 24k, stay quiet on it. Especially if they ask what you were offered. They can't force you to tell them, and the right to silence is one of those that you get regardless of who you are or where you're from.

If they try to change your wage, or fire you for not accepting the correction, that would be breach of contract or at least wrongful termination at least.... and that turns into a sizable settlement.

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psud 36 points 3 years ago

"I don't recall" is a reasonable response

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ryathal 13 points 3 years ago

Generally you only have a right to silence in self incrimination, just answering if the agreement was 24 or 42 likely wouldn't apply.

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ItsMeSpez 16 points 3 years ago

What you really do here is play it dumb as hell. Oh, I'm being over-payed? Really? Wow.

The key to keeping this up is not posting that you know about being over-payed and are doing nothing about it on the internet.

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MystikIncarnate 3 points 3 years ago

Well, nobody can force you to speak, that's something you'll have to do willingly. So IMO, the right to silence is one of the things that is universal to existence, regardless of law.

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RealJoL 9 points 3 years ago

Yes, but in a civil case this may turn the favours against you. Even though you may not incriminate yourself, the judge may rule for the other party, as there is no burden of proof, but only of probability.

Of course, a paper contract especially ruling 42k in black and white will be of more weight than a verbal contract.

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MystikIncarnate 1 point 3 years ago

Fair enough.

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Ashelyn 3 points 3 years ago

In a court of law, for sure. But for discussion between an employee and boss, I don't think that works the same way. I don't think your boss would have the right to compel speech out of you like that.

Unless it works differently in the UK?

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lutesolo 78 points 3 years ago

As someone on the receiving end of this, it may not pan out for you. I was verbally told I was getting a raise, then my paychecks showed I got a larger raise. I thought nothing of it and enjoyed the extra money, thinking of myself as a hard worker who was worth the extra.

Months later, someone noticed the discrepancy. Queue the company informing me that the overpayment will be taken in one lump sum from my next paycheck, which would have made me unable to make rent. I convinced them to spread the repayment across as many checks as they had overpaid, but that was a pretty miserable experience to say the least.

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Norgur 96 points 3 years ago

Can't really happen here, since the contract had the twisted numbers as well. So they have that amount in writing with signatures and all.

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RaivoKulli 2 points 3 years ago

I think in some cases you could get fucked if it can be shown that it's an obvious mistake

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Swarfega 0 points 3 years ago

I mean, if you switch this around so it's the business paying less then people here would be going irate if the business just said "well we are paying what the contract states". I get it, people hate work. But that doesn't mean you get to screw your employer.

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MisterFrog 1 point 3 years ago

It says it right there in the contract. If you sign shit without reading it as the employer, and have been paying it for 9 months, that's on you.

It would be another thing if it was immediately fixed but in either case, be it the employee or employer, if you've been doing it 9 months then that's on you. (If an employee had been getting underpaid - but still a legal amount - and didn't say anything for 9 months, I also think that's on them). Gotta read contracts folks.

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shalafi 82 points 3 years ago

You in America? If so, you got screwed and need to call your state labor board.

At least in Florida, they cannot pull that shit. If they put it in your bank account, it's yours. End. Think of all the scams people could pull if they could drop money in your account and then demand it back.

SOURCE: Worked for a payroll firm. If we overpaid someone, or paid the wrong person/account, too damned bad, all we could do was ask nicely for it to be returned.

CAVEAT: The bank can sure as hell pull your funds if it's their mistake.

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BottleOfAlkahest 15 points 3 years ago

This is likely state dependent. I've seen them pull back funds from people in MD. That was some years ago now though so that may not still be possible there.

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Alexstarfire 19 points 3 years ago

What they can do and what is legal aren't always the same.

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Neve8028 7 points 3 years ago

It's legal in MA. I was paid double once and they took it back. I looked into it and sure enough, it's totally legal as long as it's within a certain timeframe.

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BottleOfAlkahest 1 point 3 years ago

I should clarify that it was legal in MD when they did it (this may no longer be the case). I had to talk to the company lawyer for guidance when it happened since I was part of the HR team at the time.

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unphazed 1 point 3 years ago

Yep, they did this to me and my coworkers in WV. But the NLRB stated since we were overpaid for bonuses, not wages, the company had the right to dock the pay slowly (they did it in 2 biweekly paychecks, notso slow)

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ryathal 5 points 3 years ago

They might not pull funds, but they can absolutely deduct that money from future checks.

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Serdan 74 points 3 years ago

I'm pretty sure that would have been illegal where I live. Paying someone the same amount each month is an implicit contract. You can't just suddenly go "whoops" and not pay for a month.

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Vlyn 30 points 3 years ago

Depends on what's in the contract, black on white. If the contract says x amount and they pay you y (and you don't speak up), they can get that money back as it was a bookkeeping error.

If the contract says the higher amount then they can't take it back, written contract always wins over verbal.

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Pietson 13 points 3 years ago

Fair, but a contract can't overrule actual laws. I'm not sure what exactly those are or where OP lives but if the law says he'd be entitled to that money then a contract couldn't change anything.

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marrenia 15 points 3 years ago

I would think it's fairly obvious they are from the UK seeing as they are using the pound symbol for their money - and contracts for employment are king in the UK if I remember correctly

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Vlyn 4 points 3 years ago

That's not how it works in both Germany and Austria. If you have a contract you get paid based on it, if there is a bookkeeping error you have to pay the money back if the company accidentally gives you too much.

The only contracts that are invalid are when the number is very obviously wrong in the context. For example the contract says instead of $50k a year you get paid $500k a year or $5k a year, then the entire thing is void as it's an obvious error.

If the contract says $55k and the company wanted to pay you $45k.. their problem, contract counts. Your boss might be pissed if you keep insisting on the $55k and might fire you, especially if you verbally agreed on $45k. But oh well, that's another topic.

Oh and in the UK? The employer is even allowed to deduct that money from your future wages. So much about knowing the law :)

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shalafi 3 points 3 years ago

Not where I live they can't. See my other comment. If your employer gives you money, it's yours, period.

I see this idea a lot online. Guess either employees don't understand their rights or the employers are equally ignorant, both VERY likely.

And no, it's unlikely the employer knows better and is fucking around. The magic words are "labor" and "board", who will find in favor of the employee and throw a fucking to the employer. We handled payroll for quite a few shady employers, but none of them were dumb enough to play around with the money.

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Vlyn 2 points 3 years ago

Oh and in the UK? The employer is even allowed to deduct that money from your future wages. So much about knowing the law :)

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teruma 6 points 3 years ago

In California at least, they're allowed to ask, but I don't think they're allowed to require.

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RickyRigatoni 5 points 3 years ago

Meanwhile if they verbally promise you a raise and don't give it to you there's jack shit you can do because verbal agreements aren't enforcable when it's convenient for them.

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shalafi -1 points 3 years ago

Which is sane. So anyway...

Sorry, gotta go. That's my employer calling to verbally offer me a raise.

(Over here laughing imagining all the people suing because, "I swear he offered me a raise! Nah, for real!")

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MisterFrog 1 point 3 years ago

In many countries verbal contracts can still be binding under certain circumstances. Just hard to prove, so yeah, get it in writing or it doesn't mean much

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FUCKRedditMods 3 points 3 years ago

(Should be “cue the company” not queue)

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SpaceNoodle 1 point 3 years ago

*cue

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SpaceNoodle -6 points 3 years ago

It's your fault for blowing all the money.

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pimento64 28 points 3 years ago

As business barons are fond of saying, verbal agreements are only worth the paper they're printed on.

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Semi-Hemi-Demigod 20 points 3 years ago

This is the answer to life, the universe, and everything.

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Discover5164 5 points 3 years ago

42, but what was the question again?

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Semi-Hemi-Demigod 8 points 3 years ago

There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

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metallic_z3r0 3 points 3 years ago

"What do you get if you multiply six by nine?"

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DevilOfDoom 1 point 3 years ago

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Nurse_Robot 10 points 3 years ago

Are they being paid 42k a month or do I need to work on my reading comprehension? Because holy shit am I poor

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rockSlayer 8 points 3 years ago

I think the offer is salary. So what they're saying is that instead of paychecks of £923.20, they're getting paychecks of £1615.20 (assuming 40 hr work week, paid biweekly without tax being factored)

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jettrscga 8 points 3 years ago

Yeah I'm confused. 24k a year is nothing, but 24k a month sounds way too high.

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Crashumbc 4 points 3 years ago

If it's a renter level admin job, they are pretty much minimum wage.

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what_was_not_said 2 points 3 years ago

From what people over in r/antiwork have said, 24K GBP goes further than 24K USD, especially with there being some level of social healthcare.

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Gork 9 points 3 years ago

In the event that they do require the employee to pay it all back, what I would have done was try to make the original wage work on the budget and stash the other £18k into low risk index funds to get some dividends and increased return. That way if paying it back were necessary, you'd at least make some money from the excess capital.

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bdonvr 15 points 3 years ago

If the paperwork says £42k then not much the company could possibly argue.

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Gork 6 points 3 years ago

True. Legally binding contacts definitely supersede their vocal claims to the contrary.

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AllonzeeLV 4 points 3 years ago

Thats the part where an employee should do what employers do all day every day like breathing: lie your ass off.

"I recall the verbal agreement being for 42k, just as it is in the contract. Stop lying."

Probably should look for other work once the error found out though regardless of how you handle it. They'll invent a reason to fire you for failing to be a good lil wage slave, cowering and signing an hr document obligating you to pay the difference back. A month later it will be some "not a team player" dismissal.

Fortunately though, it might never be discovered. Corporate malice is matched only by corporate incompetence.

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curiousaur 7 points 3 years ago

How is that delicious? That's still fucking nothing.

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uis 1 point 3 years ago

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