I don't think they're trying to make a logically rigorous argument
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DragonTypeWyvern 32 points 3 years ago
TheSanSabaSongbird 12 points 3 years ago
You were made to sing that song? Gross!
ILikeBoobies 16 points 3 years ago
If Americans knew how good life can be then they wouldn’t settle for such a shitty country. So from birth they are lied to about having good lives
It’s not even healthcare, imagine the poorest country you can and there are places like that there
pinkdrunkenelephants 12 points 3 years ago
They're just getting defensive because someone dared to criticize the U.S., that's all.
corsicanguppy 3 points 3 years ago
Stop it or they'll start chanting their country initialism again.
TheSanSabaSongbird 10 points 3 years ago
To conservative Americans the word "freedom" doesn't mean the same thing that it means to you and I. That's the simple short explanation for your confusion. It would require a much longer discussion to really unpack why that is and how it intersects with ideology.
Karyoplasma 7 points 3 years ago
And the Rockets' red glare, the Bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our Flag was still there;
Yep, accurate.
ChickenLadyLovesLife 2 points 3 years ago
it’s even in our theme song
Which was a drinking song - appropriately.
ChickenLadyLovesLife 6 points 3 years ago
It makes me sad because one of the aspects of my country of which I am actually extremely proud is the fact that we landed people on the fucking moon. It's sad because this feat was accomplished by a bunch of really smart, educated people with a solid grounding in science (and TBF a few literal nazis here and there) not by a bunch of inbred dumbfucks who think driving around with a big flag sticking out of their enormous pickup truck is somehow making a contribution to America's greatness - and whose whole existence is fundamentally built around rejecting science and education and being smart.
TheSanSabaSongbird 2 points 3 years ago
That's very definitely not what they mean at all. American conservatives, the kind of people referenced here, are anti-government except for the military.
S_204 -1 points 3 years ago
Propaganda is why they're deluded to the levels they are.
Americans are by and large poorly traveled and unaware of exactly how badly they have it in America. Something like 1/2 of Americans have a passport, whereas Canada which is right next door is 2/3-3/4.
One of the weirdest things about that is they seem to be proud of it.
TheSanSabaSongbird 2 points 3 years ago
This is only true if you look at the country as a whole. Break it down by state or even region and you'll see that entire parts of the country are more like Canada in terms of international travel, while others are unusually provincial for citizens of an industrialized democracy.
If you live in a middle class neighborhood in a big west coast city, for example, chances are good that you and all of your neighbors have traveled overseas extensively. It's also very much a class and educational division and of course that plays out in a variety of other ways as well.
Kepabar 0 points 3 years ago
I don't currently have a valid passport; I haven't felt a need for one.
America itself is so big that I can spend my life visiting different parts of it and never run out.
Having a passport and traveling intentionally just feels like an unwanted hassle.
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I'm continuously confused about why they think they are free, or at least uniquely free? What does the moon even have to do with that supposed freedom?
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