THAT’s the burn. A sunburn!
AngryCommieKender 13 points 3 years ago
It's probably black not white at this point, not because of bleaching, which did happen, just cause of decay. At least that's what PBS Spacetime told me
DarthBueller 2 points 3 years ago
Durka? Ooooooh. Not durka. Surrender flag.
DragonTypeWyvern 32 points 3 years ago
I don't think they're trying to make a logically rigorous argument
TheSanSabaSongbird 12 points 3 years ago
You were made to sing that song? Gross!
Lumelore 13 points 3 years ago
Yep. From kindergarten to 6th grade we had to sing that along with a myriad of other similar songs. By the time I was around 13 I started to realize how weird it is and I began questioning everything I had ever been taught. Growing up, my parents made me go to a Catholic school every Wednesday evening so I had been taught lots of incorrect and distorted information. Eventually I began skipping class and I would walk around town and do whatever and that is the first time I actually felt free.
Kepabar 3 points 3 years ago
It's normal for young children to have a music class, usually this is primarily a 'fun' class and includes a lot of chorus singing.
This was one of the songs sung in the class when I was a kid.
ILikeBoobies 16 points 3 years ago
If Americans knew how good life can be then they wouldn’t settle for such a shitty country. So from birth they are lied to about having good lives
It’s not even healthcare, imagine the poorest country you can and there are places like that there
pinkdrunkenelephants 12 points 3 years ago
They're just getting defensive because someone dared to criticize the U.S., that's all.
corsicanguppy 3 points 3 years ago
Stop it or they'll start chanting their country initialism again.
TheSanSabaSongbird 10 points 3 years ago
To conservative Americans the word "freedom" doesn't mean the same thing that it means to you and I. That's the simple short explanation for your confusion. It would require a much longer discussion to really unpack why that is and how it intersects with ideology.
Karyoplasma 7 points 3 years ago
And the Rockets' red glare, the Bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our Flag was still there;
Yep, accurate.
ChickenLadyLovesLife 2 points 3 years ago
it’s even in our theme song
Which was a drinking song - appropriately.
ChickenLadyLovesLife 6 points 3 years ago
It makes me sad because one of the aspects of my country of which I am actually extremely proud is the fact that we landed people on the fucking moon. It's sad because this feat was accomplished by a bunch of really smart, educated people with a solid grounding in science (and TBF a few literal nazis here and there) not by a bunch of inbred dumbfucks who think driving around with a big flag sticking out of their enormous pickup truck is somehow making a contribution to America's greatness - and whose whole existence is fundamentally built around rejecting science and education and being smart.
TheSanSabaSongbird 2 points 3 years ago
That's very definitely not what they mean at all. American conservatives, the kind of people referenced here, are anti-government except for the military.
Malfeasant 1 point 3 years ago
Anti-government except for one of the biggest aspects of the biggest government there is...
S_204 -1 points 3 years ago
Propaganda is why they're deluded to the levels they are.
Americans are by and large poorly traveled and unaware of exactly how badly they have it in America. Something like 1/2 of Americans have a passport, whereas Canada which is right next door is 2/3-3/4.
One of the weirdest things about that is they seem to be proud of it.
TheSanSabaSongbird 2 points 3 years ago
This is only true if you look at the country as a whole. Break it down by state or even region and you'll see that entire parts of the country are more like Canada in terms of international travel, while others are unusually provincial for citizens of an industrialized democracy.
If you live in a middle class neighborhood in a big west coast city, for example, chances are good that you and all of your neighbors have traveled overseas extensively. It's also very much a class and educational division and of course that plays out in a variety of other ways as well.
Kepabar 0 points 3 years ago
I don't currently have a valid passport; I haven't felt a need for one.
America itself is so big that I can spend my life visiting different parts of it and never run out.
Having a passport and traveling intentionally just feels like an unwanted hassle.
ohlaph 1 point 3 years ago
And we can travel thousands of miles and still be in the USA. I don't blame US Americans for not traveling outside of the USA, we have a wide range of vacation destinations that people travel from various parts of the world to visit. People could literally teavel only in the USA their entire lives because we have so many places of interest.
However, we could use cultural diversity to fully understand what we're not being exposed to.
RickyRigatoni 8 points 3 years ago
Why would we care about someone else getting our sloppy seconds?
RickyRigatoni 4 points 3 years ago
They are free of this planet's gravitational contrictions :3
echodot 17 points 3 years ago
The American dream is to become rich and then do the exploiting yourself.
They may as well just give up with the American dream and rename it the rules of acquisition. At least then they'd be being honest with themselves.
littlecolt 10 points 3 years ago
"It's called The American Dream because you'd have to be asleep to believe in it."
-George Carlin
EvilEyedPanda 31 points 3 years ago
I'm ashamed to be an American
Where they make me think I'm free
And I'm appalled by all the lives it took
To sell that lie to me
So I'll proudly stand up to tyranny
And fight it till the day
Cause there ain't no doubt we've fucked this land
Goddamn the USA!
ChickenLadyLovesLife 5 points 3 years ago
I pledge allegiance to the flag
Of the United Snakes of America
And to the Repugnant for which it stands
One nation, under God (you fucking heard me!)
Easily divisible, with liberty and all for just us
EvilEyedPanda 3 points 3 years ago
God bless america, and no one else!
EvilEyedPanda 5 points 3 years ago
Yea I did, thanks!
HiddenLayer5 29 points 3 years ago
Dude's even factually wrong. The moon has flags from multiple jurisdictions, including the USSR, China, the EU, etc. Pretty much every piece of human-made hardware on the moon has a flag on it.
Or... The moon actually has zero flags depending on your definition. Because the sun quickly bleaches them white as there is no atmosphere to shield against the UV rays.
SpaceCowboy 21 points 3 years ago
The Apollo 11 flag may not be bleached on one side.
That's because they put it too close to the lander and it blew over when they blasted off. This is the actual thing NASA kept secret about the moon landings for many years.
Anyway, since that flag's been lying in the dirt for all these years, it may not have been bleached by the sun.
Churbleyimyam 16 points 3 years ago
There's something tragic and poetically american about traveling through space to plant your flag somewhere only to accidentally knock it straight over.
ChickenLadyLovesLife 10 points 3 years ago
Because the sun quickly bleaches them white as there is no atmosphere to shield against the UV rays.
"Burn this flag, asshole!"
The Sun: "Hold my beer."
reverendsteveii 12 points 3 years ago
hey now, that's not fair.
It might be a confederate flag
FlyingSquid 3 points 3 years ago
Personally, I'm hoping Russia and Israel will adopt it soon.
FlyingSquid 22 points 3 years ago
As a fellow Jesus-ordained, Trump-blessed freedom-loving American, can someone explain to me what the fuck having a flag on the moon has to do with freedom?
rainynight65 13 points 3 years ago
The only people who are 'free' in America are those who are white, Christian, heterosexual, wealthy, and preferably male.
Everyone else gets oppressed, exploited and thrown under the bus at every opportunity.
blady_blah 12 points 3 years ago
*Rich
(That's actually the most important one)
rainynight65 6 points 3 years ago
Is there a difference between 'wealthy' and 'rich'?
blady_blah 1 point 3 years ago
Shit, you're right. I re-read your post several times and missed it each time. My mistake.
ILikeBoobies 12 points 3 years ago
There’s a Chinese flag on the moon
corsicanguppy 8 points 3 years ago
That's the second part of the joke. The one guy doesn't even get that there's more than one flag on the moon.
some_guy 12 points 3 years ago
Stupidest song recorded during my lifetime. David Cross had a nice bit about sending that fucker to war after 9/11. Which reminds me that that other piece of shit country musician wrote a song about that tragedy that was mocked on South Park.
Conservatives are so easy to manipulate through pandering. It almost makes me wish I had no ethics, cause then I'd be rich.
frostyfrog 8 points 3 years ago
Everyone here is talking about the flags on the moon... I'm more interested in the hospital bills in all honesty. That, and the wait time for a visit.
Historical_General 8 points 3 years ago
Seems rather triumphalist for a UK community to upvote since the health service has been sold off (to the US) for profit. Maybe the other Europeans joined in?
tswerts 7 points 3 years ago
Living in Belgium, I'm happy with the social security that's available here and the chances for a good education, etc. But I'm confused as to why this all isn't available for everyone in the USA. The USA is a world leader in so many domains so I would assume that this would benefit its inhabitants first.
Malfeasant 3 points 3 years ago
Our limitless freedom belongs to the corporations, not the people.
PersnickityPenguin 3 points 3 years ago
The US has a gigantic health insurance industry worth trillions, employs over 4 million people, and manages ~25% of the US economy.
Knightfox 1 point 3 years ago
Someone else has already said it's because of Capitalism, and to a point that's true. The other major reason is because of the economics of scale.
Belgium has a population of 11 million, the US has a population of 331 million.
Belgium has an area of 30,000 km^2, the State of Virginia alone has an area of 110,000 km^2. The metropolitan service area (basically the city and surrounding bedroom communities) of Washington DC is 14,000 km^2 or nearly half the size of all of Belgium.
In 2022 Belgium had ~196,000 immigrants while the US had ~45 million.
Coming back to the question; on Education the 2022 census said that 91.1% had at least finished Highschool and 48.4% had finished at least an Associates degree (or higher). https://www.census.gov/...
On Social Security 69.8 million people received social security benefits in 2020 (retired, disabled, or other special circumstances).
On Healthcare the US is behind the times in comparison with much of the world, our healthcare is typically tied to employment (your job likely provides your health insurance). While this is the case our taxes are typically lower than most of the countries that are compared to the US, basically instead of paying taxes to get free healthcare we pay for healthcare directly. Even then people can still get access to the ACA (Obamacare), Medicare, or Medicaid. According to the 2022 census 92.1% of the US is insured, though I couldn't find a good statistic on what percentage are under insured (as in they have insurance but really need more). I did find some less than stellar statistics (so take these with a grain of salt) but on average Europeans spend 12.5% of their income on healthcare in the form of taxes while the median (yeah I know it's not the same as average but it was a different source) American spends 11.6% of their income on healthcare in the form of healthcare premiums and deductibles.
In summary the US generally does have pretty good living conditions for the vast majority of people. The problem is that if 10% of the population falls through the social welfare cracks in the US, that's 3x the population of Belgium.
EDIT: I wanted to quickly add, the US gets a lot of flak for being involved in foreign wars, politics, and spending too much on military spending. A lot of people think we should instead pull back that spending and instead fix things in the US. I agree with this sentiment, we do over spend on the military, but the US has also given more money to supporting Ukraine than the next 9 countries combined. https://www.google.com/...
laverabe 3 points 3 years ago
Do you have a source for the claim Europeans spend more than people in the US per capita on healthcare?
Every source I've ever read the US has twice per capital spending and worse health outcomes in many areas.
Knightfox 2 points 3 years ago
I didn't say it was more? I said that a less than stellar source said that the average percentage of a European's income that goes to taxes for healthcare was roughly the same as the median percentage of an American's income.
Per Capita would be total expenditure divided by number of people. I'm saying (US) average healthcare costs/average income vs (Europe) amount of taxes for healthcare/average income.
I used this Quora page (https://www.quora.com/...) for the answers about European healthcare. It's not an ideal source, but it's kind of a pain to get the specific answer I'm asking for.
I used this source (https://www.statista.com/...) for a the Percentage of median income spent on premium contribution and deductibles in the US. Again, not a stellar source, but close enough to show it's not stupidly different for most people.
I made this post at 3 am on my phone, if you have feedback on these articles or better sources I'd be curious to see them.
tswerts 3 points 3 years ago
Thanks for the effort you put in this response. Is it a good summary when I say that Belgium in population and area can be compared with a metropolitan area of any major city in the USA? And best should be compared as such?
I'm very much surprised with the migration figures being as high as you mention. Europe is surrounded with countries in war in Eastern-Europe, Middle-East and Africa. And many of our migrants are refugees.
All the migration towards USA is mainly from south of the USA, correct? There's no war going on over there, so do these migrants also poor living conditions and are mostly fortune seekers? Or are their lives in danger from the government in these countries?
Knightfox 2 points 3 years ago
Is it a good summary when I say that Belgium in population and area can be compared with a metropolitan area of any major city in the USA?
It kinda depends, the US is very diverse in it's city layout. NYC metro area is 34,400 km^2 with 23 million people. Nashville is 19,000 km^2 with 2 million population.
And best should be compared as such?
My point was more that it's hard to make Federal government comparisons between small European countries and the US. A topic like healthcare or education varies greatly municipality to municipality and state to state. A city like Washington DC or NYC might be a better comparison to Belgium, but Butte Montana isn't. If you're trying to compare the US average to the Belgium average you have to average Butte in with NYC.
A good example might be infrastructure. People commonly say that the US shouldn't do XYZ and instead invest in our poor/old infrastructure, but it's hard to do since we have so much more to cover. There's definitely mismanagement throughout, but a big portion of it is also just providing for more people in a larger area.
I’m very much surprised with the migration figures being as high as you mention. Europe is surrounded with countries in war in Eastern-Europe, Middle-East and Africa. And many of our migrants are refugees.
All the migration towards USA is mainly from south of the USA, correct? There’s no war going on over there, so do these migrants also poor living conditions and are mostly fortune seekers? Or are their lives in danger from the government in these countries?
https://www.pewresearch.org/...
From what I can tell, only around 25% of immigrants are from Mexico. A lot of people view the US as a desirable place to live despite what some people say.
Mexico, Central and South America have issues like anywhere else. From my understanding some parts of Mexico are somewhat dangerous due to the drug cartels, but other areas are exceptionally safe. The economies have a large divide in income, the median income of Tijuana is $16.6k annually while the median income of Chula Vista California is $35k annually; they are 21 kilometers apart if not for the border.
Malfeasant 2 points 3 years ago
People love to bring up our vast expanses of land in these infrastructure comparisons, but that wasn't an insurmountable problem when we wanted transcontinental railroad, telegraph, telephone, etc...
uis 1 point 3 years ago
Belgium has a population of 11 million, the US has a population of 331 million.
USSR population was 293M in 1991(right before collapse), USA population was 253M in 1991.
Belgium has an area of 30,000 km^2, the State of Virginia alone has an area of 110,000 km^2. The metropolitan service area (basically the city and surrounding bedroom communities) of Washington DC is 14,000 km^2 or nearly half the size of all of Belgium.
Every time I hear something like "but Netherlands is about the size of Ryazanskaya Oblast" I reply "then why the fuck Ryazanskaya Oblast is not better than Netherlands? And 26 other regions that smaller than it are not".
Knightfox 1 point 3 years ago
I guess I'm still missing what point you're trying to make. What I think you're trying to say is that the USSR was the same size of the US in 1991, but this region is the size of the Netherlands so it should have been comparable to the Netherlands.
I'm going to continue assuming this is what you were meaning. I honestly don't know enough about the internal government system of the USSR in the early 90's or much about this region. Taking a look at the statistics it appears that Ryazan Oblast has an area of 39,605 km^2, but a population of only ~1 million. The Netherlands has an area of ~41,000 km^2, but has a population of ~17.5 million. Next, the average annual salary of the region in 2019 (the highest in at least 5 years) was ~31k (RUB) and the highest exchange rate in the last 5 years was approximately 1 RUB: 0.018 Euro.
So in summary, the size is about the same as the Netherlands, but has 5.7% of the population of the Netherlands and the people in the Netherlands make ~23x more money at their jobs even when considering the highest salaries Ryazan Oblast had in the last 5 years and the highest exchange rate the RUB had in the last 5 years.
My example was looking at similar sized, similar population, and similar income groups; by that comparison regions of the US can be compared to Belgium. On the other hand, the only thing in common between Ryazan Oblast and the Netherlands is their size so it's not a good comparison. Why doesn't Ryazan Oblast have more people or make more money so that they can be compared to the Netherlands I don't know, but it looks like these conditions have been this way since at least the late 1980's?
uis 1 point 3 years ago
What I think you're trying to say is that the USSR was the same size of the US in 1991
I was trying to say that being big country does not prevent one from having universal healthcare, decent social security and a lot of other social benefits.
So in summary, the size is about the same as the Netherlands, but has 5.7% of the population of the Netherlands and the people in the Netherlands make ~23x more money at their jobs even when considering the highest salaries Ryazan Oblast had in the last 5 years and the highest exchange rate the RUB had in the last 5 years.
Probably real median 1/50 of one in Netherlands. Anyway, this was from an argument about size.
If you want Netherlands compared to something with similar polulation, density and budget, Moscow(which as saying goes is not Russia) is a good choice. Aaaand it's still shit compared to Netherlands. Or Netherlands can be compared to city that was built by dutch long time ago - Saint Petersburg. Shit too. Small polulation? SPb+LenOblast is even worse.
To be fair most of cities excluding ones with insane budgets(Moscow and SPb) have worse public transport that they had 40 years ago. Probably public transport in Ryazan of 1980-1990 was comparable to public transport in Amsterdam of 1980-1990.
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TheDorkfromYork 5 points 3 years ago
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pastaPersona 5 points 3 years ago
lmao id rather go to the moon without a spacesuit than pay 5000$ for a 30-minute ambulance ride
grayman 1 point 3 years ago
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rchive 1 point 3 years ago
Not that surprising. The US has free speech rights in its Constitution, and its legal system takes that more seriously than any other country. Unfortunately it doesn't take all the Constitution so seriously, cough, Commerce Clause, cough.
grayman 0 points 3 years ago
https://wiki.openrightsgroup.org/...
OMG! My narrative!
Chr0nos1 3 points 3 years ago
No prison time, but a fine, and community order (I'm unsure what community order is) https://www.bbc.com/...
Either way, it's a shitty response by the UK government.
grayman 0 points 3 years ago
Not always just a fine. Plenty of sentences here: https://wiki.openrightsgroup.org/...
SendMePhotos 1 point 3 years ago
Weighted, that's for sure.
corsicanguppy 3 points 3 years ago
Is that an obesity dig? They won't get it
Karyoplasma 11 points 3 years ago
Europe != Germany.
That's like me saying everyone in the US fucks their sister because Alabama is part of it.
MostlyHarmless 3 points 3 years ago
We've also got the one about kids not being shot at school
DeadNinja 12 points 3 years ago
Fucking agreed. This is indeed the fucking internet, especially fucking lemmy, so no fuckers like Spez is around to fuck with us, so yeah you were fucking serious when you said we are fucking allowed to fucking type fuck.
DragonTypeWyvern 4 points 3 years ago
(Reddit let you say fuck too)
DragonTypeWyvern 4 points 3 years ago
Get the frick out
TIN 5 points 3 years ago
Frak you
Smokeydope 1 point 3 years ago
YouTube: imma pretend I didn't see that
kucing 15 points 3 years ago
So... 2 out of 3 uhmericans?
FlyingSquid 7 points 3 years ago
Go ahead and pay my $5000-and-growing worth of medical bills this year if you're so rich, Uncle Moneybags.
Oh, and we supposedly have a good insurance plan.
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The sun has bleached any color off that moon flag.
Which means it's French.
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