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gomp 95 points 3 years ago

Death warrant? Maybe, but I expect companies (maybe not the EU, but - let's be frank - probably the EU too) to go back into X as soon as they feel they are done cashing in this virtue signaling.

There were plenty of reasons to leave twitter before this idiotic tweet from Musk (reasons due to twitter's action as a company, and not just Musk's drunken posts) and they were all happily tweeting and advertising.

Is this drop that breaks the camel's back? Maybe, but I wouldn't be holding my breath.

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SloganLessons 32 points 3 years ago

My chips are also on them coming back, but at the same time it feels like Musk wants to make Twitter's business harder than it needs to be.

This reaction doesn't come from the last tweet itself, instead it comes from him not stopping with hot takes and not showing any signs of slowing down.

If he keeps going, I could see companies just accepting "it is what it is" and coming back, but at the same time it also feels like he's one tweet away from going too far for most companies. And it's not like Twitter is a strong social media anyway, they are not even in the top 10 social medias in terms of active users count: https://www.statista.com/...

Maybe these companies may also decide that dealing with Twitter is more trouble than it's worth. But we'll see

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logi 6 points 3 years ago

Well, that was certainly decisive.

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SuckMyWang 3 points 3 years ago

I don’t think x’s value is from the number of users. It’s the type of powerful people on it and the headline style format the multiplies it’s impact across the information space. It still sucks though

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SloganLessons 3 points 3 years ago

right, but what matters to most ad publishers is the number of eyeballs that are converted into buying customers

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generalpotato 5 points 3 years ago

X is a shit company that doesn’t need to exist anymore but I’m equally tired of companies virtue signaling behind causes. Like, fuck off, I don’t need you to tell me that you’re “invested” in “human rights” or “causes” when you treat your workers like shit and fail to provide your retail workers a minimum wage for example.

X and these other companies virtue signaling behind causes for profit/marketing goodwill can all go to hell.

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trash80 48 points 3 years ago

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SnotFlickerman 10 points 3 years ago

It would be amazing if there were any sort of consequences for this clown, or any other rich clown, honestly.

I think part of the reason bad behavior has been so normalized among the general populace is because they're seeing such bad behavior from "the elites" that they "look up to" so they think that since those "rich, successful men" act like that without consequence, it must mean that behavior is okay.

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trash80 1 point 3 years ago

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FewerWheels 43 points 3 years ago

So the radical free speech guy is going to sue someone for what they said? Sounds spot on for Musk.

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duncesplayed 4 points 3 years ago

Wait, I don't see that in the article. Who's he suing now?

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uriel238 39 points 3 years ago

How cheap does X have to get before it can be bought by a non-profit, turned into a co-op and renamed twitter?

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quicken 21 points 3 years ago

It's no longer a public company. So it can be bought when Musk chooses to sell. Or if he defaults on his loan then it may go to banks but they really don't want it and have already written off their loan to him.

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intrepid 27 points 3 years ago

Why exactly do normal people with small defaults have 'collection agents' sent after them, while billion dollar defaults are written off? Isn't that supposed to be the other way around?

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schnurrito 16 points 3 years ago

and then federate with Mastodon?

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FrigidAphelion 38 points 3 years ago

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HeartyBeast 13 points 3 years ago

Inertia. In the UK, for example, every local government council, the NHS, central government, charities etc use user Twitter//X as a free channel for announcements and publicity. Quite often they manage it though things like Hootsuite that lets the, plan and manage and cross-post to Facebook etc.

Deciding to quit that is quite a major step - especially when there isn't really a clear single alternative that has similar reach and userbase.

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qupada 7 points 3 years ago

Except that they've ruined that too. You now need an account to view anything, so the reach of announcements is greatly diminished.

At this point leaving shouldn't really be too difficult, since a large portion of your audience already has; because they've been shut out, or have quit voluntarily.

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brothershamus 2 points 3 years ago

And now we're living in the "that was a bad idea" world.

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Carnelian 5 points 3 years ago

Many who remain actively want to spread hate

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TootSweet 35 points 3 years ago

Two-panel meme image of a guy saying in the first panel "oh no" and in the second "anyway."

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KingThrillgore 31 points 3 years ago

I've heard this said for months now

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linearchaos 3 points 3 years ago

Yeah, it's only a death warrant for conventionally run companies. He can run it into the ground as deep as his pockets will let him. And according to Forbes that's still relatively deep, deeper than they should be anyway.

I kind of suspect he's up to something. Maybe he's grooming it for a political ad platform. Although it's equally possible he just loves watching everybody flip the hell out, One hell of an expensive hobby if so.

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carl_dungeon 29 points 3 years ago

We can only hope

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sour 23 points 3 years ago

did people stop deadnaming twitter

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JGrffn 17 points 3 years ago

Right? Twitter hasn't stopped dead naming Twitter, for fuck's sake

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NutWrench 16 points 3 years ago

Musk only buys things that he thinks will keep his name in the news, and he's always looking for that next bong-hit of attention.

Nobody likes him. Nobody cares about him. And he makes it so obvious WHY with his racist, apartheid bullsh*t.

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Therealgoodjanet 15 points 3 years ago

Good. I hope it goes under.

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NoiseColor 2 points 3 years ago

How would that happen?

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FlexibleToast 6 points 3 years ago

It can't afford its debt. It's almost guaranteed to happen.

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NoiseColor 2 points 3 years ago

I read about where the money came from and I'm not saying I really understand it, but it seems solid enough for it to never fail unless musk wants it to fail.

Which is, like,..if somebody wants to destroy twitter as fast as possible, but make it look like it's not intentional, what would they do differently than what is happening right now? :) Jk, musk is just an incompetent bag of shit.

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FlexibleToast 1 point 3 years ago

It was always going to fail. At that point, Twitter as a company only recently started actually making a profit. What Musk did is called a leveraged buy-out where someone takes out a loan to buy a company. The company that is bought out is then responsible for paying that loan. Remember when I said they just barely had started making money? Well, now they have so much debt that they not only have to make enough money to cover their previous expenses, but also cover the payments for this new loan, and the new loan has interest that creates additional debt of $1 billion a year. How is a company that struggles to make money suddenly going to come up with an extra $1 billion a year? Charging for checkmarks? There aren't enough users... That's why he is so desperate. He knows that by making that joke offer, he royally screwed himself when Twitter called his bluff and forced him to buy. I think he just wanted an excuse to sell some Tesla stock that he knew was overvalued but had said he wouldn't sell.

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520 1 point 3 years ago

The money used to come from advertisers. Elon has been trying to move it to a subscription model, but few people want to subscribe to a place only right wingers want to be.

Elon wanted Xitter to be a bastion of right wing speech. He just didn't think about what that would entail.

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mp3 14 points 3 years ago

We've yet to see any regulatory actions with real consequences, so yeah I doubt it.

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Goun 3 points 3 years ago

A $50 fine or something

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Varyk 10 points 3 years ago

Knew he was good for something

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RobotToaster 9 points 3 years ago

Haven't people been saying that since before he even bought it?

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nyakojiru 6 points 3 years ago

the guy don’t give a single fuck, people don’t get that he don’t care about loosing money.

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MrScottyTay 4 points 3 years ago

Can we please stop posting business news here

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JimmyBigSausage 3 points 3 years ago

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waspentalive 2 points 3 years ago

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onlinepersona 0 points 3 years ago

No he hasn't. 200M users won't jump off because of this. If most people really cared, they'd be switching to alternatives - they don't.

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phx 20 points 3 years ago

Money doesn't come from the users, it comes from the advertisers. The platform is already in the hole but it's getting worse over time

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Albinjose7345 6 points 3 years ago

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kandoh 6 points 3 years ago

It shows how much more important being first is rather than being the best.

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jimmydoreisalefty -61 points 3 years ago

Seems like a smear of Musk for not siding with Israel and instead calling for a ceasefire or peace.

Looking at the talk Musk had with Lex Fridman.

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Therealgoodjanet 32 points 3 years ago

Please don’t conflate anti-semitism with Pro Palestinian voices. What he is doing is not helping anyone.

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jimmydoreisalefty -4 points 3 years ago

Anti-semitism is a real thing, but Israel-Palestine has always made it harder to understand. If it is truly anti-religious or just questioning Israel gov't and actions.

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Therealgoodjanet 12 points 3 years ago

The problem is that Zionists like to say “Israel = Jews”, raging when you say something anti-Zionist that you’re being an anti-semite. However, what Musk is doing is actually saying Jews are the problem. That’s antisemitism. That is not helping Jews nor is it helping anyone who is anti-Zionist because now people will say “see? Anti-Zionist equals anti-Semite, just look at Musk if you don’t believe me.”

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520 25 points 3 years ago

It's not that he sided against Israel. It's that he sided against Jews. The Israeli government and its supporters like to conflate the two a lot, but they are very different things.

So when someone writes “Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them.” and Musk responds with “You have spoken the actual truth.”, that is not an anti-Israel position, that is an antisemite position, one that couldn't be made more clearer even if he posted it with a picture of Auschwitz

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Therealgoodjanet 4 points 3 years ago

Amen!

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deFrisselle 1 point 3 years ago

If you read the religious texts and are familiar with the oral scriptures there you go Though those views mainly only exist in communities of Orthodox Jewish sects that dedicate their lives to religious studies

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roguetrick 10 points 3 years ago

I'm sorry, but proclaiming that Jews are conspiratorially poisoning the world against whites is not remotely related to Israel/Palestine. It's blatant Nazi shit. Muddying the waters is also generally crypto-fascist shit, but I don't know you and I'm not going to put that label on you. Just realize that's what you're doing.

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otter 7 points 3 years ago

To add on to what others have already said

and instead calling for a ceasefire or peace.

He didn't do that either though? He attacked those calling for peace/ceasefire

He's attacking everyone, as if he's trying to distract people from each controversy with a different controversy

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demesisx 1 point 3 years ago

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yolo 5 points 3 years ago

He wasn't really in good standing before the conflict.

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jimmydoreisalefty -8 points 3 years ago

True, politics makes Musk a tribalist issue.

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static 7 points 3 years ago

He wrote that the jews are responsible for the great replacement conspiracy theory, how is that not antisemitic?

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markr 4 points 3 years ago

He in fact demonstrated the clear distinction between being an antisemitic Nazi fuckwit and opposing Israeli military actions in Gaza.

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