The US does the same thing. People need to push back. Hard.
doingthestuff 51 points 3 years ago
ricecake 1 point 3 years ago
Rainwater collection laws in the US are based on conservation and fair allocation of a scarce resource.
In places that don't have scarcity, you actually have the opposite issue, where drainage might be restricted or mandated to prevent issues from harming your neighbors.
I can't build a dam on my property because it might flood my neighbor. People in the southwest can't collect water at will because it might dry out their neighbors.
ShellMonkey 9 points 3 years ago
Well an estimate from 2008 put it at upwards of 4,000 just as federal crimes. Not to even touch on state matters ,tax, civil affronts, etc.
chiliedogg 82 points 3 years ago
Given the context, this seems more evil than is probably intended.
There are laws about collection and storage of rainwater all over the world unrelated to genocide. Water falling from the sky is the source of aquifers, lakes, and rivers that are important for everyone.
KoalaUnknown 57 points 3 years ago
The problem here is that the Palestine people aren’t being given control of their water.
naevaTheRat 36 points 3 years ago
Yeah there are good reasons to limit or prevent rainwater collection in order to preserve necessary river systems or agricultural areas etc.
However I highly highly doubt anything good faith is going on here.
tryptaminev 23 points 3 years ago
The context is very straightfoward. It is an occupied territory. The occupier claims ownership of natural ressources in the occupied territory. This is typical imperialist behaviour and illegal under international law.
Saprophyte 17 points 3 years ago
https://youtu.be/QZkSRlIs9o0?si=l7jYk8g92oIS4t3b
The evil part is having laws like this and then filling in their water sources with concrete.
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BautAufWasEuchAufbaut 16 points 3 years ago
To add what others said (like Israel making up rules for Palestine), the people of Palestine are being attacked and their infrastructure targeted. It is pretty evil to destroy the water supply and then say: "but you can't get it elsewhere :)".
I don't think this is necessarily the case here, but laws like this are often an attempt to offer the appearance of legitimacy to acts of violence (i.e. "yes we imprisoned them but they broke the law!").
chiliedogg 2 points 3 years ago
You are definitely wrong. I work in municipal development and a developer retaining water on site beyond what is necessary to offset their increased impervious cover is something that's highly discouraged and restricted.
Water need to go to the rivers and aquifers, and damming it up for private use is a real problem.
ReluctantMuskrat 6 points 3 years ago
It can be actually. People upstream of water sources - often wealthy people with land but sometimes a collective of local farmers - build dams or retaining ponds to save the water for themselves and on a significant scale can limit the amount of water that goes downstream.
Annoyed_Crabby 4 points 3 years ago
It makes more sense to limit the amount of water collected than to outright banning it tho.
hungryphrog 1 point 3 years ago
What do you mean by "makes more sense"?
chiliedogg 1 point 3 years ago
Sometimes.
I work in municipal development and how rainwater is handled is a huge part of my job. It usually comes down to whatever the developer wants is bad.
They either want to collect all water and essentially deny it to everyone else so they can sell it, or they want to pave over everything and refuse to detain stormwater and flood the neighbors.
It's not at all the same thing as Palestinians wanting water for food and crops, but a lot of the time these laws start out as something sensible before being used as a weapon.
FlyingSquid 57 points 3 years ago
I don't even... how do you prevent that?
Drinvictus 60 points 3 years ago
Guns and bombs usually do the trick
FlyingSquid 10 points 3 years ago
What's the usual way of stopping someone from collecting rain water?
mosiacmango 35 points 3 years ago
Fines/violence, usually.
It's actually not uncommon to have laws that restrict gathering rain water in many places. Lots of US states do as well. If water is collected locally on a mass scale, it messes with water tables/rivers/lakes/etc.
Forbidding it when a place doesnt have otherwise dependable water infastructure is inhuman however.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod 16 points 3 years ago
I imagine the ban on rainwater collection is from before the war, and I imagine there are similar laws in Israel.
There’s lots to be mad at the Israelis for doing. We don’t need to make things up. This article on water in Gaza makes a good point:
A graphic representation of the unfair restrictions is that while many Jewish settlements have swimming pools, Palestinians in “Area C” of the West Bank are not allowed cisterns for collecting rainwater.
Raine_Wolf 4 points 3 years ago
Ye, Israel do be taking the Nestle stance.
callouscomic 32 points 3 years ago
The United States does the same thing all over the Southwest. Rural people will tell you.
MalachaiConstant 5 points 3 years ago
I'd guess it's for droughts
ricecake 7 points 3 years ago
There's a difference between needing a permit to collect rainwater because the water belongs to everyone, and being forbidden from collecting rainwater because the water belongs to an oppressing party.
SpunkyMcGoo 6 points 3 years ago
isn't the point there that shit is super dry and if you leech the water in the wrong places the ground can't handle it?
EtherWhack 11 points 3 years ago
I remember learning about this while having This Old House playing in the background.
Here's a map of the regulations for each state (currently the heaviest looks like it is restricted by volume and/or medium of collection) https://www.energy.gov/...
8000mark 19 points 3 years ago
Hamas has banned the digging of wells since 2021. I don't see how they would permit the harvesting of rainwater, even if there weren't Israeli legal regulations in place (which seem to be on par with many other countries' laws). That plus their systematic dismantling of working water infrastructure for rocket parts has had it's effects.
snek 2 points 3 years ago
Yeah, but they banned it as a bad way to deal with a water shortage problem. Israel banned it because they are pricks.
Many rural areas with Palestinians, including Palestinian citizens of Israel, aren't even covered by the Iron Dome system because they are registered as an empty area. They also don't get basic infrastructure that Israel would otherwise provide to any illegal settlement right away.
That would make Hamas even dumber as bombing Israel would mean a large number of unintercepted missiles will fall into areas where Palestinians live.
OtakuAltair 2 points 3 years ago
Basically, both Palestine and Israel hate Palestinians
What a beautiful world we live in...
medicsofanarchy 9 points 3 years ago
Source?
KoalaUnknown 22 points 3 years ago
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medicsofanarchy 9 points 3 years ago
Great source! Phrased differently - can't build a cistern without a permit - but they are certainly painted as right a-holes about it. Thanks for the source!
igorgama 5 points 3 years ago
What is water? H2O. What does the H stand for? Hydrogen. Ever heard of hydrogen bombs?
Still think Hamas (which is all Palestinians, UN officials, and doctors in hospitals, obviously) just want water do "drink" and "not die of dehydration"?
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It is useful to have lots of stupid laws. It makes people feel powerless and frustrated. It means the police can always find excuses to persecute you.
The technicalities of the individual laws are not important. It's the psychological effect of the whole body of laws on a people.
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