pno2nr 25 points 3 years ago

Jews are cool but Israel really sucks.

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soggy_kitty 6 points 3 years ago

Do Jews have better air-conditioning or something? I fucking hate summer

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1847953620 3 points 3 years ago

That's temperatureist.

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librechad 11 points 3 years ago

Well, what's your solution?

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Linkerbaan 10 points 3 years ago

The same solution to Apartheid in south Africa. Give the Palestinians the rights they deserve, stop oppressing them and Hamas magically disappears.

Also israel not funding Hamas could help. They surpress people and fund the organization that does armed resistance. Mhhh wonder why they got so many members.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/...

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Kleinbonum 3 points 3 years ago

Give the Palestinians the rights they deserve, stop oppressing them and Hamas magically disappears.

There's just no guarantee for that specific outcome.

Look what happened with the withdrawal from Afghanistan. Nominally, the Taliban were fighting the Western oppressors. But when U.S. troops left, the Taliban didn't just magically disappear.

For that matter, look at Saudi Arabia or Iran or Qatar or Dubai or Abu Dhabi. They're essentially doing the exact same thing as the Taliban, just with a lot more money. No outside oppressor there.

Given that Hamas shares a lot of the same ideology when it comes to ruling Gaza, what makes you believe they would just magically disappear? Why wouldn't Hamas want to rule Gaza like the Taliban rule Afghanistan, or like the House of Saud rules Saudi Arabia?

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dangblingus 1 point 3 years ago

The solution was reached weeks ago when they killed 1200 innocent civilians. Now they're at 10x that amount. Time for them to go home and not do an ethnic cleansing.

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wowwoweowza 7 points 3 years ago

I accidentally got banned from a Lemmy community and I’m truly trying to be as reasonable as possible so this is some touchy stuff because it’s horrible & true — especially if one on your relative perished in the Oct 6 surprise attack at the concert. Please don’t ban me but some of us have relatives that were killed in the attack and so… it’s horrible and true.

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AFaithfulNihilist 5 points 3 years ago

It's not self defense. Your relatives were sacrificed by the Israeli government to create a pretext to commit genocide against Palestinians.

Israel bombed hostages, hospitals, refugee camps, and buses full of children, If What Hamas did was terrorism then what Israel's doing is also terrorism.

There really is no way to bomb hospitals and then blame the hospital for being a human shield when it was your bomb that murdered those children.

In a just world there will be a reckoning for the government of Israel, and it involves sending a great deal of them to the Hague where they will hang until death.

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xzite -6 points 3 years ago

So when Hamas guns down Israeli civilians that are not next to military targets it's justified and actually the fault of the jews, and when Israel strikes Hamas military targets that are deliberately placed next to their own civilians it's never justified and the jews hould hang?

Very cool.

There really is no way to bomb hospitals and then blame the hospital for being a human shield when it was your bomb that murdered those children.

What do you realistically expect armies to do when their opponents place all their military assets next to civilian targets? Just give up and kill themselves?

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AFaithfulNihilist 6 points 3 years ago

Those are the only two options I guess, indiscriminately murder civilians and blow up hospitals or suicide.

That's obviously the only option out there.

You're the only person saying " the Jews should hang" I'm saying people who commit war crimes should go to the place where the world has decided to try war criminals and then they should punish them like we have punished war criminals in the past.

We hung Nazis we should hang Netanyahu, they're the same fucking thing.

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Caradoc879 1 point 3 years ago

The fact that he's saying "the jews" and not "Jewish people" at all is a huge red flag. Huge racist tone.

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xzite 0 points 3 years ago

Those are the only two options I guess, indiscriminately murder civilians and blow up hospitals or suicide.

Feel free to share your operational plan for how the Israelis should proceed, I'm sure it will be very realistic and grounded in military reality.

I’m saying people who commit war crimes should go to the place where the world has decided to try war criminals and then they should punish them like we have punished war criminals in the past.

So you're obviously also saying that Hamas should be hung from the neck until dead.

Attacking a hospital containing active enemy combatants is not a war crime. Garrisoning troops in a hospital is a war crime. Not making necessary precautions to move civilians away from the combat area is also a war crime.

Deliberately harming civilians is a war crime. Harming civilians by accident or as a byproduct of necessary military action is not a war crime.

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dangblingus 1 point 3 years ago

Whoa whoa whoa. That's some hell of a leap in logic. No to your entire comment.

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xzite 2 points 3 years ago

So how do you deal with opponents deliberately putting their military infrastructure next to civilian targets?

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Caradoc879 0 points 3 years ago

You're refusing to separate a genocidal israeli government from the race of Jewish people. You are arguing in bad faith and are yourself a piece of shit. Good day.

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xzite 1 point 3 years ago

Your performative outrage is pretty funny.

In another comment from you I'm a Hamas supporter.

Lol are you fucking stupid? Necessary to murder civilians? You hamas supporting psychopath.

Funnily enough, all of this is in response to someone saying that the Israeli government sacrificed someone's family after they were murdered, which you apparently don't have any problem with.

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S_204 5 points 3 years ago

I've been banned from some random communities for pointing out that people are fully supporting Hamas, or just being brutally Antisemitic. This vileness is everywhere you look right now.

You weren't accidentally banned. Just saying.

Hope you and your family are holding up okay. This is a shit time.

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rambaroo 6 points 3 years ago

Yeah I'm sure you got banned for that and not your constant islamophobic, anti-Arab racist shit posting. Poor little victim

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S_204 1 point 3 years ago

It's Islamophobic to point out Hamas is a bunch of barbaric terrorists? Hardly. If you support them, I'm going to point out that you're also a pos.

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rdri 6 points 3 years ago

No need to make it look like I'm biased though. If Israel did the same to their own citizens as hamas (not care about them, use them as a living shield, train them as terrorists, tell them from the child age they need to kill Palestinians) I'd criticize them much stronger.

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masquenox -3 points 3 years ago

tell them from the child age they need to kill Palestinians

I guess you don't know how education works in a fascist country, then? Go on... ask me how it works.

use them as a living shield

If you believe that, I have to ask... what other white supremacist apologetics do you fall for?

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rdri 6 points 3 years ago

I guess you don't know how education works in a fascist country, then?

My guess it works slightly different than this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ

If you believe that, I have to ask...

Do you mean it was Israeli who placed tunnels and terrorist infrastructure under Gaza's hospitals?

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AFaithfulNihilist -1 points 3 years ago

Do you mean it was Israeli who placed tunnels and terrorist infrastructure under Gaza's hospitals?

Yes? That's not being disputed anymore, Israel admitted it.

What makes someone a human shield is not the coward hiding in the crowd but the psycho shooting into it.

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rdri 1 point 3 years ago

Yes? That's not being disputed anymore, Israel admitted it.

Is this a joke? What made you think so?

What makes someone a human shield is not the coward hiding in the crowd but the psycho shooting into it.

You forgot the part where you make your opponent a psycho by constantly shooting at them, without which they wouldn't attack you in a way that would cause anyone think you use someone as a shield.

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tsonfeir -6 points 3 years ago

Or, you know, stop killing on both sides 🤷‍♂️

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TotallynotJessica 42 points 3 years ago

Totally. Let's start by no longer giving billions of dollars worth of bombs to Israel and sanctioning them like Iran and Hamas.

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tsonfeir 8 points 3 years ago

Agreed.

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Mr_Blott 1 point 3 years ago

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TotallynotJessica 3 points 3 years ago

I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make.

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agamemnonymous 25 points 3 years ago

Sure, you wanna call to tell them or should I?

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SaakoPaahtaa 14 points 3 years ago

They both stopped answering my emails a while back

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winterayars 6 points 3 years ago

So we should probably stop giving them bombs.

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agamemnonymous 6 points 3 years ago

Who's giving bombs to both sides?

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Tavarin -6 points 3 years ago

Sure, we just also have to figure out how to prevent Hamas from being given rockets.

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tsonfeir 3 points 3 years ago

Perhaps if we make a TikTok together asking them nicely to stop fighting. Maybe we could usher in a new era of peace with our thoughts and prayers.

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agamemnonymous 3 points 3 years ago

You're obviously being facetious, in response to my facetious comment so I'm not really sure what your angle is, but how do you actually propose to stop the killing on both sides?

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tsonfeir 3 points 3 years ago

I don’t. I’m just making a joke. There’s nothing we can do. They don’t want to stop. Meanwhile a bunch of innocent people are dying. What do we do? Go in as a global collaborative and say “stop?” I mean, no governments are going to do that. It also sets an ugly precedent. Who decides what’s worth fighting for? The good guys or the bad guys? Everyone seems bad to me. I’m curious what the average Israeli civilian thinks of all this. They can’t agree, can they?

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dangblingus 0 points 3 years ago

All of those Palestinian children are doing so much killing.

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tsonfeir 0 points 3 years ago

You’re an idiot.

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joystick -26 points 3 years ago

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MotoAsh 36 points 3 years ago

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shanie 17 points 3 years ago

12,000 Gaza civilians... so far.

And just to add, Israel could have used this event to strengthen themselves on the world stage, to instead use covert systems to do their work (since they appear to have had been doing zero of that) instead of flattening city blocks and be internationally recognized as being under attack, worthy of those Stars they so brazenly wore, and Hamas being denounced worldwide. Instead they have become the bad guys, falling right into Hamas' hands.

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Fosheze 9 points 3 years ago

That's because the goal was always genocide. The Israeli government needs Hamas to justify their genocide. They could have handled things more elegantly but if they did that then they wouldn't have gotten to murder thousands of Palestinians. They aren't falling into Hamas' hands; they are using Hamas as a tool to justify a genocide that they have been working towards for years now.

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dragonflyteaparty 2 points 3 years ago

The Israeli government initially supported Hamas when they were elected because the political infighting helped them.

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Bipta -4 points 3 years ago

To say anything is 100% either side's fault tells me You're not really thinking about the situation.

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MotoAsh 8 points 3 years ago

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joystick -7 points 3 years ago

Hamas kills Israeli civilians and you compare it to a teen having a gram of weed?? This whole comments section is detached from reality.

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livus 18 points 3 years ago

That's about as "fair" as bombing a school because it has an active shooter in it and then claiming it was the shooter's fault you killed so many people.

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Viking_Hippie 8 points 3 years ago

Wouldn't surprise me if that was under consideration in Uvalde..

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ryathal -7 points 3 years ago

While bomb is hyperbole, felony murder is a thing. If the cops shoot someone trying to stop a criminal, they do blame the criminal.

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livus 8 points 3 years ago

bomb is hyperbole

I don't see how. Thousands of civilians are being killed with bombs. That's literally what the meme is about.

Not sure how it works in your country, but in mine police are not allowed to disregard the safety of bystanders.

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MotoAsh 5 points 3 years ago

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Linkerbaan 14 points 3 years ago

I see. Killing civilians is justified you just have to blame it on the other party.

Dont tell Hamas about this they will say israel forced them to do it by starving two million people in a concentration camp and killing them every time they tried to peacefully protest so violent resistance was the only option they had left.

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idiocracy -9 points 3 years ago

u consider raping women and burning children legitimate "resistance"?

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Linkerbaan 9 points 3 years ago

Hamas killed 29 children on Oct 7 of which we got 1 baby in oven report without evidence.

So far israel has killed 5000+ children

Unless all the JDAMS israel throws on refugee camps are FDA approved child-safe it's pretty easy to figure that israel has burned and suffocated FAR more babies and kids than Hamas.

Israel is like Super-Hamas when it comes to killing babies and children.

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idiocracy -9 points 3 years ago

Dodging the question?

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Th4tGuyII 7 points 3 years ago

To which I say surely there has to a more discreet way of getting to the root of that problem than bombing thousands of innocent civilians. Their ends absolutely do not justify their means.

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metaStatic 1 point 3 years ago

I think you mean their stated ends

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TotallynotJessica 1 point 3 years ago

Their unstated ends make things even less justifiable.

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deegeese 3 points 3 years ago

Ah, the old “It’s your fault I hit you”.