We need a non-binary KDE dragon, it seems.
You say that as if the later is worse
Is that really a thing? I don't usually get into discussions about DEs that often, and pretty much never irl. So I haven't seen any general vibe at all.
Like, my impression of kde vs gnome is that they're both very geared towards a more general user that's going to be doing basic things, but with the ability to go more advanced as needed. I kinda assumed they were both going to draw people that are "basic" like the images in the meme for gnome, with cinnamon users also being in that range, where something like xfce would be for folks that want a bit more modularity and "hackiness".
I'm not being a smartass, I just don't really know if there's more to the meme than just a bit of fun or not.
Bottom right uses Enlightenment. Bottom left made his own tiling window manager which turned out exactly like the other tiling window managers.
The philosophies of the two DEs are diametrically opposed. For example KDE will let you customize everything, they'd even let you customize their mothers of they could, while GNOME won't let you customize anything, at least not without extensions that break every time GNOME updates.
KDE devs are also a lot less opinionated than GNOME devs. If they could, GNOME devs would question the use case of your clothes, conclude they're useless and then strip you naked. KDE devs will be fine with whatever you're wearing.
Now as you may have gathered I definitely prefer one over the other, but I do recognize some people may like GNOME for its simplicity, looks, flow and I even heard some like the lack of customization because it prevents them from getting distracted with tinkering. All in all use case depends on what you want to do with it, tho hopefully Cosmic DE beats the shit outta GNOME devs those damn pricks.
Donβt quote me on it, but I think they just scale to match the panel height, so Iβd you shrink the panel the icons should shrink as well. Iβve used the xp style taskbar instead for a long time tho, so Iβm not certainβ¦
Different launchers probably have settings for this
No you're right, it's mostly stereotypes that don't have any real world importance. From my intermediate POV, it comes down to GNOME being a resource hog which the 1337 H4X0Rz don't like. But with most modern systems having more than enough resources to spare, you're not likely to notice unless you're the sort to always have one eye on the system monitor pegged to your desktop. It's an argument for the sake of an argument. I use KDE btw.
They give you a few options. But they remove them in the next version. Because fuck you.
I've come to the conclusion that even gnome has too many features for me. It would be fine if they were all perfect, but it's software, so...
Off the top of my head:
Language doesn't switch fast enough when I use ibus to type Chinese. The fact that I need to concern myself with my input method because choosing Chinese actually only types in Latin characters by default is lol
Can't use the file manager to mess with files or folders owned by root. Text editor similarly sucks, I actually sudo gedit because it just works. It is a Gnome issue because vscodium just asks me to put in my password to save the file.
When I alt tab or super key out of a wine game, going back into it will have the alt key pressed down (not sure which key combination, but it's an issue)
In my experience, it strongly depends. In my team at work, the biggest Linux nerd is on GNOME, basically because he doesn't care where his TMUX session runs.
And I'm the guy with the most elaborate desktop workflow (tiling and 40+ virtual desktops among other aspects) and I wouldn't want to use anything but KDE, because nothing else has as many features + customizability to support me in that workflow.
But yeah, both of us started out on such mainstream desktops, then spent multiple years checking out all other desktops and eventually found different paths back to the mainstream.
I use KDE plasma because I'm new to Linux but also want something minimal system-wise. I love the programs and the interface. Maybe my opinion would be different if I spent more time with other DE's or used it as my daily driver, but I'm sold on it now.
GNOME is definitely more user-friendly for someone who is moving over from Windows/Mac. I wouldn't recommend KDE to someone who is just going to stick to using one-click apps.
I don't understand.
The lack of even the most basic customisation of Gnome ia mind-blowing to me. Why do i need to install a gnome shell extension for even the most basic functionality that even MacOs has!?
Kde is minimal now? Doesn't it require a GPU? Aren't there animations?
I remember trying it out a few years back on my laptop from 2012 and it was unusably slow. Like 10 seconds just to open the menu.
Xfce ran just fine though. That's a minimal DE.
Actually I tried out KDE Plasma on my grandmother's budget laptop from about the same time. It was a little too slow with default settings, but once I killed the animations (can be done in Settings app) it ran pretty well. It ran a whole hell of a lot better than the Windows it came with.
I also tested KDE vs XFCE in my old gaming computer, and I actually managed to get slightly less RAM usage in KDE than XFCE, so long as no plugins were used.
Both systems were tested with Debian 12. On the gaming PC, I actually used the XFCE iso, so it was installed first.
So depending on how your distro ships the default KDE Plasma settings or how you set it up, it actually can be a lightweight option compared with XFCE.
Needing a GPU might be hyperbole, but no, it'll still be slow on older hardware. It looks lightweight on neofetch since, at rest, the RAM will appear as low as XFCE's, but it's not nearly as snappy.
Gnome devs say, they don't want you to use themes or otherwise customize it. Probably that's why.
Ughhh! Filthy casuals like you using the screen on a multimeter! I bet you don't even staple the electrodes to your nipples! Probably use clamps instead π
I just do the calculations in my head.
I eat nuts and sleep in a cave
Enjoy your bloat, I directly put my finger on the CPU pins to feel the electrical signals.
Something about making their own version of every app and than naming it k-something makes me think it's a cult.
Oh, I wouldn't get on my high horse about that, Gnome apps used to be G- or Gnome-something for a long, long time.
Now they're just some stock generic name that assumes "why would anyone ever use any other program for music except Music, or videos except Videos?". Pretty much like Apple.
Worse than that, if you're looking for the program in the terminal like when you install the thing it's still called the old name, like:
Files > nautilus
Disk usage analyzer > baobab
They used to have character. The k- naming scheme is just a hint that isn't a qt app really.
What in the world are you on about? Kandalf be praised
yeah, my mom uses kde
This is more like desktop enviromment vs window manager users
Absolutely, there are a good few window managers designed to be standalone. I use AwesomeWM and i3 is very popular.
If you don't need a full desktop environment it's nice to have something that mostly stays out of the way.
I don't think you need to go full WM-onlyism to find yourself unable to relate to Gnome users. There are probably a handful of KDE users who still use Chrome, but we usually have some shame. We're not, like, trying to form HOAs in our neighborhoods like Gnome users are, probably.
I use Cinnamon. What does that make me?
Ricing? What's that?
Basically anything in !unixporn@lemmy.ml
Ricing refers to modifying your system to make it look cool. The term comes from street racing, where it basically meant improving perceived performance using cosmetics like spoilers and hood ornaments and stuff. Mostly form over function.
Also, if you don't mind visiting, you'll see more of what I mean over here:
Why not both? Seriously, why shouldnβt I install both DEs so I can figure out what I like best or suit my mood?
Canβt we actually have it all in this scenario?
I do have both installed, Plasma seems better for gaming with performance and experimental features, while GNOME is very stable for work and, ironically, customizes better for my preferences.
EDIT: I use Arch BTW
in my experience, installing one breaks the other or at least changes it. it's a shitshow honestly
Having both at the same time may break shit. However you can choose a distro like Debian or Arch or any one that just gives you the default DE, customize it to your liking if needed, use it for a set amount of time (like two weeks, a month, whatever) or until you feel like you have a good grasp on it and if you like it, then install another one, uninstall the previous one and repeat until you tried all the DEs you wanted to try or found the one you like and just use that one
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i actually kinda like gnome since gnome 40 release.
it still sucks to use on small displays like laptops tho due to all the padding everywhere
also gnome's touchpad gestures and multi-desktop management is superior to that of kde.
That was me with gnome 1.1 or 1.2, when they replaced the window manager by something way less configurable.
Too little, too late. Kde does everything, already did ages ago. There's no reason for switching.
Eh, my main reason for going KDE is every time I try Gnome, it feels like "what do I do now" and "where is the program I opened"
I know that would get better with time spent using it, but then again, KDE feels like I can make it do what I want a lot easier
And none of the other DEs look as nice and polished, which, I know, that's not the important part ... But dammit, I'm gonna be spending a lot of time staring at it, I'd like it to look good to me at least
There's a lot to be said for familiarity and its impact on productivity... Which is why I hate when UI layouts change for no apparent reason other than to be different.
It's also good to try and work the way the system is designed for β or maybe to share a way of working with the design leads
Gnome likes you to have several things open, spread across the different desktops, and you really want to know the shortcuts for jumping between stuff
That's why I stopped using Gnome. I loved Gnome 2.x, but then they went all screwey with Gnome 3 so I switched to Cinnamon.
The last time I was meaningfully using Linux was around the time of Ubuntu 8.04 - my experience was the opposite of this.
When I have the time, I'll be dipping back in on Zorin (which I think defaults to modded KDE) - I've spun up VM, and it seems like it's worth a shot... I just need to confirm it'll play the small handful of games I play, find a slicer app, and pull the trigger. Damn near everything else is Web-based or self-hosted.
Yeah, Gnome is VERY different than in 2008
Eliminate your rat-based mousing desires and join us in celebrating StumpWM, back behind the dumpsters, where they keep the extra parentheses.
Ehm... Elliot uses Gnome.
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Kinda depends: for me pretty much all de-s are complicated. I mean what happens when you want a de to do X? I used to go to settings/whatever, then google the problem in like 10 different ways when I inevitably don't find it. And with wm-s you just search the wiki
I use xfce nice clean simple and not overly complicated everytime I try a new desktop manager I find myself going back to xfce as they say keep it simple and cozy
How is XFCE nowadays? I am on KDE for the past ~3 years and been long-term XFCE user.
IMO biggest KDE advantage over XFCE is that everything literally works out of the box - audio, bluetooth, shortcuts (i hate setting up script yo turn on/off mousepad.
I am using X instead of Wayland anyway.
Anything changed in XFCE over several years?
yes, I was. Also yes, it was a flagship gpu - the 6900 XT. KDE never worked for me, neither with the 1080ti nor the 6900xtβ¦ maybe itβs the AMD cpus, idk. Gnome has always been a stable experience though
I use both. What does that mean for me?
They do, and judging by their environment, pretty wealthy as well. Plus a happy family. As opposed to being unhinged enough to give finger guns to a laptop or be bombarded with "tech stuff". Great ad for gnome :)
(I'm just joking around. KDE is great too.)
What does this make Cinnamon users?
I find it amusing that what I can only assume appears to be a professional artist as being used as an example. Considering that gnome is forcing Wayland yet has no color management. Not that x11 is perfect at color management but it at least exists
KDE is fairly unstable and requires me to change settings to make it work for me. Gnome just works
GNOME doesn't even have the settings I need to make it work.
Yo, what? Nobody ever uses Gnome without extensions.
OK that's not entirely true as I use blur my shell and dash to dock
I used to love Gnome. Now I hate how it looks. Looks like they tried to mix MacOS and Android and just royally botched it.
I think they nailed it
Itβs what a desktop should look like
I wish people wouldn't downvote comments like this. The downvote button isn't an "I disagree with you" button and downvoting people just because you disagree with their opinion is silly.
Well the good news is that you are free to use whatever you want
I have been actively using GNOME for about a year now, honestly, it is the best one out of all of the desktop enviorments availible right now. I'm also pretty sure GNOME just got $1M+ to continue working on it. I don't mind the look, it is very simple.
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Maybe not for you. For me, I spend hours fiddling with it trying to get it the way I want, get frustrated, and eventually go back to KDE.
Emacs user:
People who use Windows even though everybody hates it
Technically, MacOS is a BSD
I use windows and Linux btw
Bottom images more like people that using i3 or openbox
As a kubuntu user I approve. π
But what if I don't want to wear a hoodie and sunglasses when I'm inside on my computer?
If you aren't using the super key to access that menu you are using gnome wrong imo. Three finger swipe on track pad is also a great way to access the same menu.
KDE is fuckin fantastic, but it aims to replicate the windows ui and workflow. If that's what you want then I highly recommend it over gnome. But personally I don't think that desktop UX should be stuck in the early 2000s Redmond style. Once I changed my habits to use my windows button on the keyboard instead of moving my mouse all over hell to access the menu it's all I ever use. Mouse is just a fallback when the other hand is busy. I try every new KDE version because I kind of hate how the gnome devs act sometimes, but I can't get used to that workflow anymore.
I hope cosmic is great.
Agree to disagree I guess. I've tried changing the workflow in KDE to even resemble gnome and it just feels like you have to have a start menu with a taskbar. Sure, you could put that taskbar anywhere but it still operates the same as a windows 98 taskbar.
Maybe I'm just not used to the KDE way of doing things but next year will be my 20th anniversary of using Linux. I've tried every desktop environment and window manager. All of them.
I respect the KDE project but KDE makes me feel like I'm using a windows gui on top of Linux.
I genuinely don't know the last time I used the activities button, or the taskbar. To open activity view, I press super. To open programs, I search. To switch programs, I click on them in activity view
You do you! It's about what works for YOU, not what others think is best.
If you'll keep using you will cross a point where you can make your own choice anyway (and that might be sticking by to what you've been using)
Yes, the one with great score when it comes to Fitt's law which plays a huge role in UI design. When you put it that way it seems stupid to go from one edge to the other to reach an option. In reality it's an easiest target to hit since it's huge and requires no precision, edge to edge scroll.
For me as well, as I keep very low sensitivity. Am not even sure they imagined it being used like that most of the times. Am suspecting idea is to use Super key to open window preview and options are access from there. In that case it's on average half of screen away.
But idea is there. Pretty much all OS designers implement this law in some way. Mac does it with their task bar and application menu. KDE, Windows and similar do it with theirs. However I understand your complaint that you'd have to scroll to the top then bottom, but doing so is easy.
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OpenBOX?
Gnome = KDE = bloat
I don't care about a modern feel, I need to not care about learning new interfaces. Xfce is fine for me.
TTY is bloat, just use two buttons to input ones and zeros.
Sometimes I actually do prefer to just SSH in to a tmux session.
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I like KDE cause it has a cute dragon. GNOME is a stinky foot.
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