YSK: If you want faster and less buggy User experience, move to a smaller instance that is hosted close to you.

3 years ago by RecursiveDescent to c/youshouldknow

I have been using Lemmy for 20 days, at first I opened an account at Lemmy.world because you can join without writing a text and waiting approval. I have been enjoying the experience overall but despite the admin teans best efforts Lemmy.world has been experiencing some serious performance issues. If you want to avoid that join a smaller instance, preferably hosted in your country. I joined discuss.tchncs.de today and everything is so much faster it has added benefit of being able to see beehaw.org posts too. It will improve not only your but all other Lemmy.world users experience too.

firipu 90 points 3 years ago

All fine and dandy, but don't just pick a random one close to you. Don't forget that the admin basically has all your info. So do your due diligence and make sure to check you agree with all their policies etc.

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RecursiveDescent 43 points 3 years ago

Yeah! of course when I say a small instance, I don't mean a random instance with 10 users. You should check it out before you join. There is a lot of great instances with ~1000 users. Maybe should add it to the post.

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Dave 38 points 3 years ago

Don’t forget that the admin basically has all your info

What info? Lemmy is a public forum - anyone can see anything you post. Many Lemmy instances don't even require an email address to sign up.

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nyakojiru 39 points 3 years ago

Like if you are ginger or not

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rikudou 13 points 3 years ago

Only a ginger can call another ginger ginger.

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DrWeevilJammer 13 points 3 years ago

Pfft - everyone knows you need a soul to get online

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Zikeji 24 points 3 years ago

At the very least they would get access to your IP address (assuming you aren't ok a VPN/proxy) and browsing habits. Whether they take the steps to log those in a usable format and do something with it? I wouldn't say the risk is much different on an instance with 1000 users vs 100.

My main concern would be instance longevity.

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Dave 21 points 3 years ago

At the very least they would get access to your IP address (assuming you aren’t ok a VPN/proxy)

A public IP address is (by definition) public. If you're behind CG-NAT you don't get your own public IP and if you have a public IP but not a static one then restarting your router will change it. I don't think there are many cases where an instance knowing your public IP is an issue. Lemmy instances hotlink media from other instances so many different instances get your IP just from browsing Lemmy.

My main concern would be instance longevity

This is a different conversation but if your account is meaningful then this should be a real concern. A month ago there were about 80 instances, now there are nearly 1000. How many of those will still exist in a year?

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Zikeji 7 points 3 years ago

I am aware of how a public facing IP address works, and how little information it does give, by itself. It is still a privacy concern, and can be used in conjunction with other data to launch social engineering attacks or to help narrow down other data.

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rikudou -3 points 3 years ago

IP address doesn't mean anything, really.

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Poob 2 points 3 years ago

The biggest issue is that you're giving them your email address and then posting info online. If you use your main email and then post something inappropriate or private, someone could easily leak that info. Someone who posts nudes without their face for example. A malicious admin could easily try to blackmail you with that info. Is it going to happen? Probably not, but why risk it?

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Dave 1 point 3 years ago

You don't need to provide an email address to sign up at most of the big instances. I think lemmy.world is the exception. Even your instance lemmy.ca does not require an email address.

If you really want to provide one, you could use a service that does email forwarding. Some examples are https://simplelogin.io (owned by Proton Mail), and Firefox Relay (Owned by Mozilla, makers of the Firefox browser). These both have free tiers. There is also https://duckduckgo.com/email/ from the people who make the privacy focused search engine DuckDuckGo. That one I believe gives you unlimited new randomised email addresses for free. Very low attachment size limit but great for something like Lemmy.

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Poob 2 points 3 years ago

You're right that you don't have to on most large instances, and that you can make burner email accounts if you have to.

But this post was simply about telling people to be careful of smaller, less known instances. The links you provided are excellent ways to protect yourself, even outside of Lemmy.

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FunkyClown 33 points 3 years ago

Close to you? I’m running my own instance in France and I live in Australia. It works great. The problem is overloaded instances.

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halfmanhalfalligator 20 points 3 years ago

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rikudou 5 points 3 years ago

Close to you helps in general, it's not Lemmy specific. Though the Lemmy web ui caches stuff heavily so it might not be that much of a concern.

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FunkyClown 3 points 3 years ago

Agreed that close helps in general but 200-300ms isn't really that noticeable unless it's something where latency is important. I'm also surprised that some of the larger instances aren't using Cloudflare for caching. If things like images etc... are cached all over the world then I doubt anyone would notice any speed issues.

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rikudou 1 point 3 years ago

300 ms is a lot for a website. It feels slow. Cloudflare could help with traffic but I think the main culprit here is the database.

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RecursiveDescent 3 points 3 years ago

Yeah being overloaded is definitely the biggest factor but servers being close also helps especially when you have a slow Internet connection. That is why I added bring close part as "preferably"

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LessQuit 26 points 3 years ago

Thank you for this. Just wish there was a way to migrate account to still keep posts/comments/subs/etc but oh wrll. Faster now at least

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Xtallll 7 points 3 years ago

There are feature requests on the gethub for Lemmy to add the ability to move users and communities between instances. It comes up often enough it's just a question of how to implement it and when.

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Feliberto 5 points 3 years ago

I second this request, I've created at least 5 accounts in different instances since I migrated.

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Soullioness 2 points 3 years ago

What do you mean? Why would you need to migrate your account?

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Pyr_Pressure 5 points 3 years ago

In order to switch instances hosted on a different server, but keep your account history such as comments, votes, posts, saved posts, etc.

Only way to switch instances right now is to make a new account from scratch on that instance.

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Soullioness 1 point 3 years ago

But you can still view and interact with all content on any federated instance so why would you need another account?

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Pyr_Pressure 3 points 3 years ago

If you want to switch instances.

There's no guarantee your instance will be around forever, they are all created by random people across the world running their own servers at their own cost. People may get bored/too busy and move on, can't afford it anymore, etc.

Also no guarantee the same people will run the instance forever, could get sold/given to new admins who ruin it somehow.

Server could get overloaded with too many people/content and not maintained properly resulting in poor quality/speeds.

Lots of reasons you may need to switch instances, would be nice if you didn't lose 5 years worth of account history and be forced to make a new one.

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LessQuit 3 points 3 years ago

I have already setup my main account with subscriptions I like and I would ideally liked to keep my posts / comments..?

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Books 19 points 3 years ago

Can I migrate my account to a new instance? Or will i have user logins all over the fediverse?

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OptimusPrimeDownfall 14 points 3 years ago

For right now, I believe there is no way to move a user account so you will need to create a new one. Can be the same name, tho!

I believe there is a feature in the works to be able to move accounts between instances but I am unsure of where in the development pipeline it is.

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tourist 8 points 3 years ago

The best way Ive found is to copy the html of your community list and paste it into an online tool that pulls the hyperlinks out of it, then make an excel spreadsheet to change the URL of the community to the https format so it's easier to search. The instances also aren't 100% compatible. Like I can subscribe to kbin and Fedia on my larger instance account but not on my self hosted one.

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OptimusPrimeDownfall 8 points 3 years ago

Yeah, Lemmy being in a very "alpha" state makes some of the things a user wants to do difficult.

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Books 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah, that will be nice if you can migrate your name to other instances... Cheers!

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admin 17 points 3 years ago

Y’all are welcome over at thegarden.land we have a “growing” community

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moohamin12 16 points 3 years ago

How can I see if an instance is hosted in my country?

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RecursiveDescent 21 points 3 years ago

You can click the "use map" button on this site: https://fediverse.observer/. But if you can't find a instance that you like that is close don't worry. Because server closeness doesn't matter nearly as much as servers being overloaded.

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Mr_Buscemi 6 points 3 years ago

Holy crap there are at least 12 different servers within 50 miles of me. Some have a few thousand subscribers lol.

Gotta love Houston. Thanks for linking that!

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HeHH1329 2 points 3 years ago

From the map, there are 21 fediverse servers in Taiwan but none of them are Lemmy. There are even fewer in China (only 4 based on this map if I select "All" in the option).

AFAIK there aren't any Chinese language content about Lemmy yet.

The center of Fediverse of Asia seems to be Singapore and Tokyo.

Also how can I know which servers are federated\defederated to most of the Lemmy instances?

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RecursiveDescent 1 point 3 years ago

Servers are federated by default so unless it has been defederated by big instances you will have no problems. Important thing is instance you are joining having captcha/email verification because the ones without is suspectible to bot sign ups. So big instance might defederate with them to prevent bot attacks

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infinity11 0 points 3 years ago

Can you create Lemmy accounts on Mastodon servers?

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Sev 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah this doesn’t show lemmy instances? Only mastodon and other weird shit.

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rain_ar 4 points 3 years ago

If you go to the drop down menu at the top, you can specify what you are looking for. Select "all" and Lemmy will be on the list.

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traveler01 15 points 3 years ago

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qwamqwamqwam 16 points 3 years ago

Oh, absolutely. I think that’s the ideal state, everybody hosting their own local instance for a couple hundred people, all indexed with everyone else. Long way to go before we get there though.

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traveler01 5 points 3 years ago

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yoichi 2 points 3 years ago

From what I understand about Lemmy, the only way to disable signups completely is by defederating. Meaning, you would not be able to view other communities from other Lemmy instances like .world or beehaw.

To get around this, you can switch to application signup like beehaw and just ignore/reject every application but this would also mean that anyone can view your instance as a guest. Like you can go to lemmy.world and view posts and comments without logging in

Atleast, that's what I understand. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

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traveler01 1 point 3 years ago

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Poob 2 points 3 years ago

It's absolutely your right to do so

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bdonvr 12 points 3 years ago

I host a small instance in the US. I think the data center is in New Jersey.

https://thelemmy.club

You'll have to verify your email (I only have that on because we lost captcha support with 0.18, I'll turn it off next update. Feel free to use a burner email if you want)

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BeautifulNightmare 1 point 3 years ago

Thank you

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_MoveSwiftly 9 points 3 years ago

Hello there, and welcome to our community! I hope you like it in here.

Could you please include some body text as to why should people know this, and how would that help them? It’s our second rule. Thank you :)

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frozen 9 points 3 years ago

I'm hosting a tiny instance for myself a few friends that serves as a reliable gateway to communities and content from bigger instances. Sign up approvals are limited, but I'm open to a few public users.

Currently email verification is enabled, but feel free to use a burner. This will be disabled in favor of captchas when 0.18.1 drops.

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elboyoloco 1 point 3 years ago

Isn't 18.1 already live?

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Stubborn9867 5 points 3 years ago

It's in release candidate (rc.9) so fairly mature but not technically released.

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Im_old 9 points 3 years ago

So if I host my instance but subscribe to communities on lemmy.world do I actually lessen the load on lemmy.world because it only has to deal with the API calls from my instance instead of having to serve me a full fat UI? (damn that was a long sentence!)

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trefirefem 8 points 3 years ago

added benefit of being able to see beehaw.org posts too

Can you elaborate?

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sockenklaus 5 points 3 years ago

Beehaw.org chose to defederate some big instances like lemmy.world because the beehaw admins feel like they can't moderate the inappropriate content entering their instance from big instances without proper mod tools.

They made a long post sharing their reasons but I can't find it at the moment.

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Yeah2206 1 point 3 years ago

https://beehaw.org/post/567170

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proudblond 8 points 3 years ago

Do you have any advice on how to find one? Especially the “local to you” part?

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varaki 14 points 3 years ago

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Dr_Cog 3 points 3 years ago

Useful. From this I find my instance is hosted in Russia. I should probably find another one closer to me

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proudblond 2 points 3 years ago

Thank you!!

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maiion 7 points 3 years ago

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tyfi 6 points 3 years ago

https://wirebase.org

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gudtgwhzf 6 points 3 years ago

Great advice. One thing to look out for is the language settings under the profile on that instance though. I also signed up to a new instance and my feed seemed less populated and more outdated. I noticed that the languages that I read were not checked in the profile. Once I changed this the experience was significantly better.

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xonigo 5 points 3 years ago

Yes, I just made the switch to a closer instance yesterday. So much faster. I was on lemmy.world for the past few weeks but then I realized the server is hosted in Europe and I was getting 144ms ping from US east coast. This new instance I'm on, I'm getting 22ms ping.

You can test latency yourself from cmd by typing "ping lemmy.world" for example

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PM_ME_YOUR_KITTIES 3 points 3 years ago

Do you mind sharing your new instance? I am also on the US east coast

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redcalcium 4 points 3 years ago

You can see what instance a lemmy user used from their username (@user@instance). Based on their user name, the GP is on lemm.ee instance.

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PM_ME_YOUR_KITTIES 2 points 3 years ago

Oh cool, thanks!

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Riktastic 5 points 3 years ago

Page loads are snappy and lightning fast at laguna.chat :). Open signups and open for new communities. Hosted in Germany and GDPR ready. https://laguna.chat

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Kissaki 1 point 3 years ago

In what way is it more GDPR ready than other instances? I assume it uses the same server software?

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Riktastic 3 points 3 years ago

By having an actual policy. That lists the usage of data, 3rd parties and the responsibilities of the instance owner.

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wqzwqz 5 points 3 years ago

Is moving instances a thing or would you need to sign up from scratch?

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rikudou 9 points 3 years ago

AFAIK you need to sign up from scratch. But I'm pretty sure Lemmy devs will work on that. It's already a thing on Mastodon.

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ALERT 6 points 3 years ago

There's a script already in development by an enthusiast https://sh.itjust.works/post/693061

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RecursiveDescent 4 points 3 years ago

Currently Lemmy doesn't support account migrating but it is technically possible afaik. It might get added in future but currently you have to sing up from sracth. Hovewer I would say having a Lemmy.world account in addition is probably a good call.

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Strive7307 3 points 3 years ago

Definetly good advice! :) Thanks you for recommending discuss.tchncs.de

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mausy5043 3 points 3 years ago

move to a smaller instance that is hosted close to you.

How do I know the distance from an instance to me?

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Im_old 5 points 3 years ago

Check this out https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/map

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LufyCZ 3 points 3 years ago

Can resolve the ip of the instance, then use an ip locator to get a rough distance

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Monologue 3 points 3 years ago

this post made me move instances and i am glad that i did, thanks!

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LemmyLeaveReddit 3 points 3 years ago

Could an instance be hosted inside an app? In a container locally on your own machine? Maybe the two could be synced? One instance across all your devices synced?

That would be the safest?

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theRealBassist 4 points 3 years ago

As I understand it, you can host your own instance off a personal server, and use that as your "home" instance.

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Cliffmode3000 3 points 3 years ago

Won't you see limited posts?

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JohnDClay 4 points 3 years ago

Not if they're federated to the larger instances, which they are by default. I think maybe you need to search an instance to start if no one from your instance has searched for the other instance yet, but idk, don't quote me on that

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traveler01 1 point 3 years ago

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cosmicrookie 2 points 3 years ago

I'm having trouble understanding how this works. If i create a community on a different instance, why can't i find it here, even when i have the switch set to all? Do they only sync on certain times of the day? Also when i delete a community (that i created by accident) why does it not disappear?

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johnnyjayjay 3 points 3 years ago

Federation happens gradually and changes are usually not visible everywhere at the same time. Using a fully qualified name (or an URL like https://lemmy.world/c/community@instance) you should be able to access your new community though.

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xaon_rider92 2 points 3 years ago

I signed on to lemmy.world in June as that seemed like The Place, but now I'm thinking of switching to a lesser populated instance. I still haven't found an instance that I like enough to switch to though. Right now, even with the performance issues, lemmy.world still feels like the most suitable instance for me.

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JustSomeGuy 2 points 3 years ago

What's a good one if you're in Toronto?

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OsrsNeedsF2P 3 points 3 years ago

sh.itjust.works or lemmy.ca

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JustSomeGuy 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks

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sheepyowl -4 points 3 years ago

You still need an extra acc onthebig ones if you want to usethe apps though. Not all instances are supported.

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Mythril 6 points 3 years ago

? On all Lemmy apps I've used, you can just type the URL for the Lemmy instance your account is on, even if it's not on the "default" list.

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omgnvq 5 points 3 years ago

Which app have you been struggling with? Both Jerboa and Connect worked fine with different servers for me, I'm guessing others are fine too

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In your post's text body, you must include the reason "Why" YSK: It’s helpful for readability, and informs readers about the importance of the content.

Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.

Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.

Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Posts and comments which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.

Rule 6- Regarding non-YSK posts.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-YSK posts using the [META] tag on your post title.

Rule 7- You can't harass or disturb other members.

If you harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

If you are a member, sympathizer or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.

For further explanation, clarification and feedback about this rule, you may follow this link.

Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.

Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.

Rule 10- The majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.

Unless included in our Whitelist for Bots, your bot will not be allowed to participate in this community. To have your bot whitelisted, please contact the moderators for a short review.

Rule 11- Posts must actually be true:

Disinformation, trolling, and being misleading will not be tolerated. Repeated or egregious attempts will earn you a ban. This also applies to filing reports: If you continually file false reports YOU WILL BE BANNED! We can see who reports what, and shenanigans will not be tolerated. We are not here to ban people who said something you don't like.

Rule 12- Linking directly to a video as a source is not acceptable.

Video only posts are responsible for an outsized portion of rules violations. Your post must contain text and meet the requirements of the previous rules.

Rule 13- If you file a report, include what specific rule is being violated and how.

Partnered Communities:

You can view our partnered communities list by following this link. To partner with our community and be included, you are free to message the moderators or comment on a pinned post.

Community Moderation

For inquiry on becoming a moderator of this community, you may comment on the pinned post of the time, or simply shoot a message to the current moderators.

Credits

Our icon(masterpiece) was made by @clen15!

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