Hyperloop One to Shut Down After Failing to Reinvent Transit::The company is selling assets, laying off remaining employees.
Hyperloop One to Shut Down After Failing to Reinvent Transit
3 years ago by L4sBot to c/technology
Hyperloop One to Shut Down After Failing to Reinvent Transit::The company is selling assets, laying off remaining employees.
Yeah, imagine if all the taxpayer money he got to build a useless tunnel in Vegas was spent on something, you know, useful.
What's sad is, we will never see musk supporters come out and admit they were wrong. They are all gung-ho before the money changes hands, then when the grift happens and we have nothing to show for it, they all disappear.
I've built more tunnels than his company.
And most of those were just fucking around because I could, not even for a specific purpose.
Lpt: don't dig without telling someone exactly where you are,and without a noise maker.
Hamas is rather good at building tunnels in the hostile environment of sometimes being bombed. If they'd have funds and modern tech ... ah, well, they'd embezzle the funds and use that tech for something destructive, but if they wouldn't, they'd be great tunnel makers.
Richard Branson hates public transit? Cause it's his company that shut down, Virgin Hyperloop One.
No one reads the article, my guy. Everyone just assumes it's Musk's imbecilic project, when in reality it's Branson's imbecilic project.
It was born to fail, because its porpoise was to delay and sabotage the California high speed train project.
Elon literally came out and said it was to delay/sabotage the train project
Yea, it wasn’t an ocean of stupid so much as Elon dangling the idea of a better alternative like the esca of an angler fish with the intention to gobble up the plans for the train project.
It's not even like trains are his white whale, he's just trying to break any alternative to cars before they can catch on
"Better" he hyped up a stupid economically non viable shit so his car company can stay relevant
This isn't Elon's hyperloop. It's a company called Hyperloop One, predominately funded by Richard Branson.
Distinction without a difference
This gets misquoted all the time.
The purpose wasn't to delay the high speed rail, in favor of the hyperloop.
It was to delay/stop the high speed rail for something better as he didn't think the existing plan was high speed enough or would be cost effective and on time. Faster high speed trains were already being built and with all the delays this would (and has) faced, it'd be even further back by the time it was finished.
The difference there is pretty important, unless you fall into the conspiracy camp of the intent was to delay it so he could sell more cars and he actually doesn't want anything made.
But the goal was to stop it so they'd make it better than planned, not make a hyperloop.
Edit: and before people reply, it's fast enough, it doesn't need to be the best etc etc. That's fine if that's your stance. I'm just saying what was actually going on, and you don't have to agree with him.
Just because his lie was technically a slightly different one makes no matter, it was still a lie and it was still stupid that all those government regulators and legislators fell for it.
Musk came rushing in like he was selling a monorail.
Monorail?
Is there a chance the track could bend?
Vegas already has a poorly implemented monorail.
Ave! True to Caesar.
Hydrogen cars and trains.
How did calling him Elmo become a diss when Elmo is such an emotionally mature role model created for children to emulate.
I remember seeing all the big brain French train engineers blowing the fuck out of the Hyperloop back in the 2010s, matching up with my understanding of the technology and I guess that was the moment the Musk Hypnotism broke for me. We really don't even need maglevs, we can still move fast on iron, maglevs are only proposed to improve density by speed.
It was frustrating to see friends and cohorts think the hyperloop would solve a solved problem. And do it in a cost-efficient way. It didn't do either.
Touching grass is not enough, I want Elon Musk to get cancer in his dick and die
I mean all this money could have been used to create incentive to make high speed rail more widely available and cheaper and I am sure that would already be super beneficial for the world. Instead they had to trash all this money. I wonder why many think that humans are some form of special creatures that deserve to exist forever. If anything we will be lucky to exist for much longer.
Wait, touching grass? I don't get it...?
It's a recent, overused phrase meaning "go outside" (and not be online).
O...utside?
I tried opening windows, but I just got a blue screen, so I don't get it either.
I mostly agree with the statement but the Hyperloop wasn't solving a solved problem. Isn't mean to replace trains is meant to replace planes that rely on fossil fuels for international flights and even go faster than that. The basis of function is sound to my understanding but is probably too costly to implement mostly for economies in crisis, I never was sure if it was really as cost effective as they said it was.
No way, you mean this insane nonsense that was obviously never going to work isn't going to work after all? Damn.
I'm impressed they could get their momentum going for so long, they were able to burn so much money and only now are investors pulling out? That was a serious hype train! Even if it was meant as lobby sponsoring against standard high speed rail, holy cow what a waste!
Its maddening, we have the real solution. Its not flashy magitech that will instantaneously move you while leaving your fecal matter behind. It is just fucking hi speed rail. Turns out, putting a bunch of people that all need to take a largely similar path on a high capacity, fast moving vehicle is just really efficient.
This is like watching a children's show where they pause before they give the answer, but instead of giving a logical answer they regurgitate nonsense.
Next you're going to tell me that that not only does humanity already have trains that can do 200mph (320 km/h): but they're more reliable, safer, cheaper to build/operate, and can can carry a ton of people per trip.
If you've ever been to Japan, you can only roll your eyes if you read about how people can fall for that "hyperloop" scam. The Hyperloop concept is just unrealistic, dangerous and expensive. The Japanese high speed train system is very efficient and absolutely reliable. 🚅
Tech bros will call trains unviable and obsolete and then burn truckloads of money on shit like this
It was so obvious that this wouldn't work that even Elon Musk didn't want to have anything to do with it besides posting his brainfart on the Internet for the whole world to smell.
He admitted on record that he only spouted that bullshit to counter a bid for high speed transit in California. He was never interested in the slightest to ever pursue that idea in good faith. It worked, the project was canned to invest in Hyperloop and now US transit will continue to be shit because one douche bag with more money than sense opened his pie hole. And apparently US politics listens exclusively to people with more money than the average country's budget.
And apparently US politics listens exclusively to people with more money than the average country’s budget.
...even if they (the government that is) gave him a large portion of that money.
Awww no waaaay maintaining a hundred mile long vacuum tube in a state that gets earthquakes more often than Seattle gets rain wasn't viable? Who could have possibly anticipated that??
I mean... it was elon's idea after all.
He did it on purpose to cuck California out of public transit so he can sell more Teslas, said it himself
how many miles of high speed rail has china built in that time?
Silly question: could they evolve the infrastructure to an actual transit system?
SOLAR FREAKING ROADWAYS
What infrastructure?
I'd say subways but I don't think the tunnels are big enough so they'd probably have to be re-bored larger and then re-reinforced
But probably a better use for the system than what they tried to do
Underground walkways?
Looks like a pretty crap ‘loop’. It’s a straight line 100 feet long. It doesn’t even go anywhere. Of course it’s a failure.
If only we could fly like birds from LA to Vegas.
Boo. All I want is fast as fuck transport. I don't see why maglev trains in a vacuum are so difficult
Whole purposes of hyperloop was to derail any constructive debate on existing rail network. Pun intended. I’d say hyperloop was quite successful.
Small vaccum then. They managed to build a tunnel between France and England. Put people on the moon. Can do a lot
Why not just make a tunnel and forget the vacuum? It's just a subway system, but it's efficient
Edit: France & England might have dug a tunnel but Paris and London just have a subway. And train to move around the country.
Edit2: fixed wording
No it's literally a subway system. Putting trains in tunnels isn't something new or revolutionary, that's literally what subways are. And we've been doing it for over a hundred years.
People seem to be locked in on examples in the US of bad subways to mean subways inherently suck. But there are plenty of examples of perfectly working subways, which are highly efficient, comfortable and get you from A to B fast.
There are even places with subways that currently suck, but used to be very good. But car culture has meant rich people use their car and sit in gridlock, while the poor use the subway. This lead to a class difference and the richer class in power gutting funding for public transport. That is what makes it suck, not the principal of the thing.
Everything Elon says is new or revolutionary, usually isn't. The hyperloop (or vacuum train) concept isn't new either, I remember reading a book in the 80s where they had vacuum trains. And there are examples of the idea going back a hundred years or more. The hyperloop idea is so dumb, it can be debunked in a couple of minutes with some back of the envelope calculations. The power requirements alone would be huge. But hey slap some solar panels on that bad boy and it regenerates it's own power right, cause that's how anything works.
Well that's the boring company basically. Don't need hyperlooo for that.
😂 That's what Muskrat wanted you to believe. Engineers and people with more than 2 brain cells have debunked the Hyperloop idea for years. Here's one of them from 7 years ago.
Swiss are known for nazi gold and secret banks. Not really building infrastructure for the masses
Uh. Buddy. They absolutely are known for building a shitload of trains. There's the Gottard, which is the longest tunnel through a mountain, and I think also the steepest railtracks in the world?
You've never heard of swiss trains always being on time?
Not really building infrastructure for the masses
telling me you've never been to switzerland without telling me you've never been to switzerland.
So Japan has had maglev since the 90s. Explain?
Their Maglevs are not Hyperloops...
Obviously
I'm aware. That wasn't the question
I know
The vacuum is the hard part, not the maglev. You would need to enclose the entire track inside if a vacuum, and that world be ridiculously expensive and practically impossible with current technology. It's already very expensive to build a tunnel for a train, which is why they are avoided if possible. But this would need to be all tunnel that is air tight, so even more expensive than regular train tunnels.
To put it into perspective, the current largest manmade vacuum chamber is at a NASA research facility in Ohio. It's a cylinder with a diameter of 100 feet and a height of 122 feet. If this were laid on its side, about 1.5 New York subway cars could fit inside. The largest vacuum ever made can barely fit the vehicle inside, let alone allow it to travel between two different places where the extra speeds would be warranted.
That kinda puts it in perspective. What about particular vaccum? Or just where the tracks meet the train. That's the only bit with drag ?
That kinda puts it in perspective. What about particular vaccum? Or just where the tracks meet the train. That's the only bit with drag ?
That kinda puts it in perspective. What about particular vaccum? Or just where the tracks meet the train. That's the only bit with drag ?
Such as ?
Keeping a vacuum in a big area is extremely inefficient and energy costly, because it is impossible not to have leaks.
A tube for 6-8 people doesn't come close to the capacity of a train.
During an emergency, the people in those tubes are stuck with no way to get out, unlike a train.
Hyperloop is basically a fancy looking but worse train in about every aspect.
Except it would be 10 x faster. Bit fair enough
Seems rude.
Take a flying leap please
How about a 35 minute video about it?
So basically every project worth doing. Obviously it would be expensive it's train travel. Any kinda project costs a fuck tonne. Not specific to Hyperloop.
That's fair enough. I suppose any kind of improvement on maglev would be useful. Just bumping trains to 300 would have some ability to compete with air travel
Yeah that would be very expensive and difficult. However kinda similar to if a plane fails.
All others seem fair enough. Technology moving past is kinda silly. That's like saying don't make trains as new tech might come and then it's a waste.
Because maintaining a train length vacuum is really difficult and doesn't really provide that big of a benefit.
Atmospheric rail has been attempted with varying degrees of success (but never to a 'replaces traditional rail' degree) for 200 years.
Not mentioning that making tunnels for rail in rocky areas is already hard. And modern railways are not something simple or easy. That's without space tech from futurism-themed magazines for teenage boys.
A normal (not high-speed, not something like TGV) railway line getting you from A city to B city 20% slower than a car, departing 5-6 times a day evenly distributed, is already an enormous dramatic change.
I don’t see why maglev trains in a vacuum are so difficult
Thunderf00t has many videos on the subject. I recommend checking them out. He's been calling out musk's bullshit for years, and is right every time.
Most engineering channels on YouTube. Guess thunderf00t has made progress recovering his public image.
I think you were being sarcastic with that last line and nobody caught it. Sorry mate.
I want to believe.
I don't see why maglev trains in a vacuum are so difficult
Then make it.
If only I could. My life's goal is that. To build what nobody else will. Unfortunately I must acquire great wealth in order to do that. Proving particular difficult. Still have some years left.
Then I can implement my manifesto
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So the guy who notoriously despises public transit failed to come through on his promise to revolutionize public transit?
Wow.
I mean, who could have seen that coming?
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