Hyperloop One to Shut Down After Failing to Reinvent Transit

3 years ago by L4sBot to c/technology

Hyperloop One to Shut Down After Failing to Reinvent Transit::The company is selling assets, laying off remaining employees.

Mostly_Gristle 219 points 3 years ago

So the guy who notoriously despises public transit failed to come through on his promise to revolutionize public transit?

Wow.

I mean, who could have seen that coming?

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Maggoty 174 points 3 years ago

No, this was the point. He set mass transit back by at least a decade with his ridiculous projects.

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chitak166 76 points 3 years ago

Yeah, imagine if all the taxpayer money he got to build a useless tunnel in Vegas was spent on something, you know, useful.

What's sad is, we will never see musk supporters come out and admit they were wrong. They are all gung-ho before the money changes hands, then when the grift happens and we have nothing to show for it, they all disappear.

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jonne 32 points 3 years ago

Hamas has built more tunnels than Musk. Let that sink in.

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Transporter_Room_3 15 points 3 years ago

I've built more tunnels than his company.

And most of those were just fucking around because I could, not even for a specific purpose.

Lpt: don't dig without telling someone exactly where you are,and without a noise maker.

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rottingleaf 9 points 3 years ago

Hamas is rather good at building tunnels in the hostile environment of sometimes being bombed. If they'd have funds and modern tech ... ah, well, they'd embezzle the funds and use that tech for something destructive, but if they wouldn't, they'd be great tunnel makers.

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TrickDacy 20 points 3 years ago
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NevermindNoMind 11 points 3 years ago

Richard Branson hates public transit? Cause it's his company that shut down, Virgin Hyperloop One.

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rwhitisissle 12 points 3 years ago

No one reads the article, my guy. Everyone just assumes it's Musk's imbecilic project, when in reality it's Branson's imbecilic project.

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Lev_Astov 2 points 3 years ago

Isn't hyperloop like the opposite kind of transit to your typical public transit of the type he hates? Like, the only thing it can really compete with is airlines for long distance rapid transit.

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driving_crooner 186 points 3 years ago

It was born to fail, because its porpoise was to delay and sabotage the California high speed train project.

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Deiv 76 points 3 years ago

Yea, it was a very fishy initiative

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kameecoding 70 points 3 years ago path: 0 6189523 6189947 6190155, hotness: undefined, score: 70, children: 16
june 43 points 3 years ago

Yea, it wasn’t an ocean of stupid so much as Elon dangling the idea of a better alternative like the esca of an angler fish with the intention to gobble up the plans for the train project.

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Telstarado 37 points 3 years ago
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macrocephalic 17 points 3 years ago

It's not even like trains are his white whale, he's just trying to break any alternative to cars before they can catch on

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kameecoding 3 points 3 years ago

"Better" he hyped up a stupid economically non viable shit so his car company can stay relevant

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rwhitisissle 6 points 3 years ago

This isn't Elon's hyperloop. It's a company called Hyperloop One, predominately funded by Richard Branson.

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kameecoding 5 points 3 years ago

Distinction without a difference

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NotMyOldRedditName -9 points 3 years ago

This gets misquoted all the time.

The purpose wasn't to delay the high speed rail, in favor of the hyperloop.

It was to delay/stop the high speed rail for something better as he didn't think the existing plan was high speed enough or would be cost effective and on time. Faster high speed trains were already being built and with all the delays this would (and has) faced, it'd be even further back by the time it was finished.

The difference there is pretty important, unless you fall into the conspiracy camp of the intent was to delay it so he could sell more cars and he actually doesn't want anything made.

But the goal was to stop it so they'd make it better than planned, not make a hyperloop.

Edit: and before people reply, it's fast enough, it doesn't need to be the best etc etc. That's fine if that's your stance. I'm just saying what was actually going on, and you don't have to agree with him.

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dustyData 0 points 3 years ago

Just because his lie was technically a slightly different one makes no matter, it was still a lie and it was still stupid that all those government regulators and legislators fell for it.

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pickles 2 points 3 years ago

I sea what you did there

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Uli 1 point 3 years ago

Oh whale...

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ChaoticEntropy 1 point 3 years ago

Musk came rushing in like he was selling a monorail.

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chitak166 120 points 3 years ago

Successful grift is successful!

Congrats, dipshits of LA and Vegas! Can't wait to see what dumb crap you waste your money on next!

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davepleasebehave 52 points 3 years ago

Monorail?

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vividspecter 37 points 3 years ago

Is there a chance the track could bend?

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lewdian69 28 points 3 years ago

Not on your life my Hindu friend!

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Mrkawfee 18 points 3 years ago

What about us brain-dead slobs?

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MirthfulAlembic 8 points 3 years ago

Vegas already has a poorly implemented monorail.

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Snowpix 7 points 3 years ago

Not if the Legion has a say in it, profligate!

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MirthfulAlembic 2 points 3 years ago

Ave! True to Caesar.

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SlopppyEngineer 1 point 3 years ago

Hydrogen cars and trains.

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fne8w2ah 86 points 3 years ago

Fuck this grift and all other grifts by Elmo.

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banneryear1868 7 points 3 years ago

How did calling him Elmo become a diss when Elmo is such an emotionally mature role model created for children to emulate.

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scottmeme 6 points 3 years ago

Elmo muskrat lmao

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KingThrillgore 68 points 3 years ago

I remember seeing all the big brain French train engineers blowing the fuck out of the Hyperloop back in the 2010s, matching up with my understanding of the technology and I guess that was the moment the Musk Hypnotism broke for me. We really don't even need maglevs, we can still move fast on iron, maglevs are only proposed to improve density by speed.

It was frustrating to see friends and cohorts think the hyperloop would solve a solved problem. And do it in a cost-efficient way. It didn't do either.

Touching grass is not enough, I want Elon Musk to get cancer in his dick and die

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jjjalljs 9 points 3 years ago

For all of his fans, he also has a lot of anti-fans. I'm surprised none of them have thrown him out the window of the twitter HQ or whatever. I guess he's paying his security team a lot.

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KingThrillgore 8 points 3 years ago
  1. Distance is a factor
  2. He knows he's not liked, which is why he probably pays G4S or whatever a lot
  3. He can't run forever at the rate Xitter is going. One of his backers is that Saudi prince that had the journalist chopped up.
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Aleric 5 points 3 years ago

I usually don't wish violence on anyone, but I wouldn't mind seeing Musk made into douchebag tartar.

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iAvicenna 4 points 3 years ago

I mean all this money could have been used to create incentive to make high speed rail more widely available and cheaper and I am sure that would already be super beneficial for the world. Instead they had to trash all this money. I wonder why many think that humans are some form of special creatures that deserve to exist forever. If anything we will be lucky to exist for much longer.

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crystalmerchant 2 points 3 years ago

Wait, touching grass? I don't get it...?

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ASeriesOfPoorChoices 4 points 3 years ago

It's a recent, overused phrase meaning "go outside" (and not be online).

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isVeryLoud 2 points 3 years ago

O...utside?

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ASeriesOfPoorChoices 2 points 3 years ago

I tried opening windows, but I just got a blue screen, so I don't get it either.

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S_H_K -2 points 3 years ago

I mostly agree with the statement but the Hyperloop wasn't solving a solved problem. Isn't mean to replace trains is meant to replace planes that rely on fossil fuels for international flights and even go faster than that. The basis of function is sound to my understanding but is probably too costly to implement mostly for economies in crisis, I never was sure if it was really as cost effective as they said it was.

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Maggoty 5 points 3 years ago

Maintaining that much vacuum was never realistic.

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Garbanzo 5 points 3 years ago

Ok, sure, but what about hyperloop IN SPACE!

I'll be happy to discuss my brilliant new invention with anyone who still has money left over from this project.

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Obi 1 point 2 years ago

Sounds easy enough, create space elevators with stations at the top and then make the tubes meet in space. What could it cost like $10?

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Red_October 66 points 3 years ago

No way, you mean this insane nonsense that was obviously never going to work isn't going to work after all? Damn.

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eldain 12 points 3 years ago

I'm impressed they could get their momentum going for so long, they were able to burn so much money and only now are investors pulling out? That was a serious hype train! Even if it was meant as lobby sponsoring against standard high speed rail, holy cow what a waste!

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Allero 3 points 3 years ago

Hey, at least this time it really was a hype train /j

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T00l_shed 1 point 3 years ago

Colour me shocked.

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Sanctus 63 points 3 years ago

Its maddening, we have the real solution. Its not flashy magitech that will instantaneously move you while leaving your fecal matter behind. It is just fucking hi speed rail. Turns out, putting a bunch of people that all need to take a largely similar path on a high capacity, fast moving vehicle is just really efficient.

This is like watching a children's show where they pause before they give the answer, but instead of giving a logical answer they regurgitate nonsense.

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oatscoop 7 points 3 years ago

Next you're going to tell me that that not only does humanity already have trains that can do 200mph (320 km/h): but they're more reliable, safer, cheaper to build/operate, and can can carry a ton of people per trip.

Psh, like that would ever work.

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Halcyon 2 points 3 years ago

If you've ever been to Japan, you can only roll your eyes if you read about how people can fall for that "hyperloop" scam. The Hyperloop concept is just unrealistic, dangerous and expensive. The Japanese high speed train system is very efficient and absolutely reliable. 🚅

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Sirico 47 points 3 years ago

Metro systems still going since 1863

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Smacks 44 points 3 years ago

Invest in actual public transportation: I sleep

Invest in an overly expensive alternative to trains: REAL SHIT

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guacupado 16 points 3 years ago

Like all these fake trees or solar trees or carbon vacuums instead of just planting more trees.

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1995ToyotaCorolla 11 points 3 years ago

Tech bros will call trains unviable and obsolete and then burn truckloads of money on shit like this

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MeanEYE 43 points 3 years ago

No way. Who could have seen that one coming?

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Aleric 3 points 3 years ago

I saw it not coming at Hyperloop speeds!

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aesthelete 42 points 3 years ago

It was so obvious that this wouldn't work that even Elon Musk didn't want to have anything to do with it besides posting his brainfart on the Internet for the whole world to smell.

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dustyData 69 points 3 years ago

He admitted on record that he only spouted that bullshit to counter a bid for high speed transit in California. He was never interested in the slightest to ever pursue that idea in good faith. It worked, the project was canned to invest in Hyperloop and now US transit will continue to be shit because one douche bag with more money than sense opened his pie hole. And apparently US politics listens exclusively to people with more money than the average country's budget.

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Aleric 22 points 3 years ago

So just a continuation of the motor vehicle industry sabotaging public transportation so people have to buy more vehicles.

Capitalist 'innovation' at its finest!

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aesthelete 19 points 3 years ago

And apparently US politics listens exclusively to people with more money than the average country’s budget.

...even if they (the government that is) gave him a large portion of that money.

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starman2112 42 points 3 years ago

Awww no waaaay maintaining a hundred mile long vacuum tube in a state that gets earthquakes more often than Seattle gets rain wasn't viable? Who could have possibly anticipated that??

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lovesickoyster 40 points 3 years ago

I mean... it was elon's idea after all.

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Tnaeriv 1 point 3 years ago

No, it wasn't. This shit has been common in sci-fi for decades. He just gave it a fancy name and pretended he came up with it.

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TwoGems 34 points 3 years ago

Who knew Elon had no engineering degree in reality?

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isVeryLoud 1 point 2 years ago

He did it on purpose to cuck California out of public transit so he can sell more Teslas, said it himself

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foobaz 32 points 3 years ago

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downdaemon 17 points 3 years ago

how many miles of high speed rail has china built in that time?

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DuckOverload 11 points 3 years ago

Silly question: could they evolve the infrastructure to an actual transit system?

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dai 7 points 3 years ago

Me waiting for solar underground highways.

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Sigh_Bafanada 2 points 2 years ago

SOLAR FREAKING ROADWAYS

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Spaceballstheusername 5 points 3 years ago

What infrastructure?

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laurelraven 5 points 3 years ago

I'd say subways but I don't think the tunnels are big enough so they'd probably have to be re-bored larger and then re-reinforced

But probably a better use for the system than what they tried to do

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whoisearth 0 points 3 years ago

Underground walkways?

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Grass 8 points 2 years ago

I had more faith in solar frickin highways and that was already 0.

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Snapz 5 points 2 years ago

It was always a grift. Go watch thunderfoot on YouTube

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Lophostemon 1 point 3 years ago

Looks like a pretty crap ‘loop’. It’s a straight line 100 feet long. It doesn’t even go anywhere. Of course it’s a failure.

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moitoi 0 points 3 years ago

Technosolutionism will always be a failure. It failed in the past, it fails and will fail even for the climate change.

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TheDeepState -4 points 3 years ago

If only we could fly like birds from LA to Vegas.

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Mojojojo1993 -71 points 3 years ago

Boo. All I want is fast as fuck transport. I don't see why maglev trains in a vacuum are so difficult

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exu 85 points 3 years ago

Maintaining a vacuum over long distances is really fucking hard.
You'd be better served utilising existing rail infrastructure and improving that to make high speed trains possible.

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LEDZeppelin 86 points 3 years ago

Whole purposes of hyperloop was to derail any constructive debate on existing rail network. Pun intended. I’d say hyperloop was quite successful.

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fosforus 1 point 3 years ago
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Mojojojo1993 -61 points 3 years ago

Small vaccum then. They managed to build a tunnel between France and England. Put people on the moon. Can do a lot

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echo64 28 points 3 years ago

We do one thing. Must do other thing. Smart.

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CommanderCloon 17 points 3 years ago

Why not just make a tunnel and forget the vacuum? It's just a subway system, but it's efficient

Edit: France & England might have dug a tunnel but Paris and London just have a subway. And train to move around the country.

Edit2: fixed wording

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Thorry84 19 points 3 years ago

No it's literally a subway system. Putting trains in tunnels isn't something new or revolutionary, that's literally what subways are. And we've been doing it for over a hundred years.

People seem to be locked in on examples in the US of bad subways to mean subways inherently suck. But there are plenty of examples of perfectly working subways, which are highly efficient, comfortable and get you from A to B fast.

There are even places with subways that currently suck, but used to be very good. But car culture has meant rich people use their car and sit in gridlock, while the poor use the subway. This lead to a class difference and the richer class in power gutting funding for public transport. That is what makes it suck, not the principal of the thing.

Everything Elon says is new or revolutionary, usually isn't. The hyperloop (or vacuum train) concept isn't new either, I remember reading a book in the 80s where they had vacuum trains. And there are examples of the idea going back a hundred years or more. The hyperloop idea is so dumb, it can be debunked in a couple of minutes with some back of the envelope calculations. The power requirements alone would be huge. But hey slap some solar panels on that bad boy and it regenerates it's own power right, cause that's how anything works.

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Imgonnatrythis -4 points 3 years ago

Well that's the boring company basically. Don't need hyperlooo for that.

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sigmaklimgrindset 1 point 3 years ago
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314xel 72 points 3 years ago

😂 That's what Muskrat wanted you to believe. Engineers and people with more than 2 brain cells have debunked the Hyperloop idea for years. Here's one of them from 7 years ago.

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ours 20 points 3 years ago

And even before that the Swiss seriously studied the possiblity and gave up.

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Mojojojo1993 -105 points 3 years ago

Swiss are known for nazi gold and secret banks. Not really building infrastructure for the masses

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Sekoia 47 points 3 years ago

Uh. Buddy. They absolutely are known for building a shitload of trains. There's the Gottard, which is the longest tunnel through a mountain, and I think also the steepest railtracks in the world?

You've never heard of swiss trains always being on time?

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lovesickoyster 32 points 3 years ago

Not really building infrastructure for the masses

telling me you've never been to switzerland without telling me you've never been to switzerland.

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bitwaba 23 points 3 years ago

Lol wat?

Their train infrastructure is fucking amazing.

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Mago 14 points 3 years ago

Leave your state.

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Mojojojo1993 -60 points 3 years ago

So Japan has had maglev since the 90s. Explain?

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Lanusensei87 43 points 3 years ago

Their Maglevs are not Hyperloops...

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Mojojojo1993 -1 points 3 years ago

Obviously

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Mojojojo1993 -55 points 3 years ago

I'm aware. That wasn't the question

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Maggoty 27 points 3 years ago

Maglev=! Vacuum. Elon promised an existing technology inside a vacuum.

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Mojojojo1993 -45 points 3 years ago

I know

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nelly_man 5 points 3 years ago

The vacuum is the hard part, not the maglev. You would need to enclose the entire track inside if a vacuum, and that world be ridiculously expensive and practically impossible with current technology. It's already very expensive to build a tunnel for a train, which is why they are avoided if possible. But this would need to be all tunnel that is air tight, so even more expensive than regular train tunnels.

To put it into perspective, the current largest manmade vacuum chamber is at a NASA research facility in Ohio. It's a cylinder with a diameter of 100 feet and a height of 122 feet. If this were laid on its side, about 1.5 New York subway cars could fit inside. The largest vacuum ever made can barely fit the vehicle inside, let alone allow it to travel between two different places where the extra speeds would be warranted.

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Mojojojo1993 -1 points 3 years ago

That kinda puts it in perspective. What about particular vaccum? Or just where the tracks meet the train. That's the only bit with drag ?

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Mojojojo1993 -1 points 3 years ago

That kinda puts it in perspective. What about particular vaccum? Or just where the tracks meet the train. That's the only bit with drag ?

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Mojojojo1993 -1 points 3 years ago

That kinda puts it in perspective. What about particular vaccum? Or just where the tracks meet the train. That's the only bit with drag ?

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metallic_substance 20 points 3 years ago
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Mojojojo1993 -36 points 3 years ago

Such as ?

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Honytawk 14 points 3 years ago

Keeping a vacuum in a big area is extremely inefficient and energy costly, because it is impossible not to have leaks.

A tube for 6-8 people doesn't come close to the capacity of a train.

During an emergency, the people in those tubes are stuck with no way to get out, unlike a train.

Hyperloop is basically a fancy looking but worse train in about every aspect.

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Mojojojo1993 -2 points 3 years ago

Except it would be 10 x faster. Bit fair enough

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Thorry84 10 points 3 years ago

Engage your brain please

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Mojojojo1993 -1 points 3 years ago

Seems rude.

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Mojojojo1993 -2 points 3 years ago

Take a flying leap please

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kameecoding 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 6186274 6186551 6187149 6191379, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Tnaeriv 1 point 3 years ago

Such as having to withstand over 100 tons of air pressure per square meter

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metallic_substance 0 points 3 years ago
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Mojojojo1993 -2 points 3 years ago

So basically every project worth doing. Obviously it would be expensive it's train travel. Any kinda project costs a fuck tonne. Not specific to Hyperloop.

That's fair enough. I suppose any kind of improvement on maglev would be useful. Just bumping trains to 300 would have some ability to compete with air travel

Yeah that would be very expensive and difficult. However kinda similar to if a plane fails.

All others seem fair enough. Technology moving past is kinda silly. That's like saying don't make trains as new tech might come and then it's a waste.

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meeeeetch 19 points 3 years ago

Because maintaining a train length vacuum is really difficult and doesn't really provide that big of a benefit.

Atmospheric rail has been attempted with varying degrees of success (but never to a 'replaces traditional rail' degree) for 200 years.

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rottingleaf 2 points 3 years ago

Not mentioning that making tunnels for rail in rocky areas is already hard. And modern railways are not something simple or easy. That's without space tech from futurism-themed magazines for teenage boys.

A normal (not high-speed, not something like TGV) railway line getting you from A city to B city 20% slower than a car, departing 5-6 times a day evenly distributed, is already an enormous dramatic change.

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chitak166 18 points 3 years ago

I don’t see why maglev trains in a vacuum are so difficult

Thunderf00t has many videos on the subject. I recommend checking them out. He's been calling out musk's bullshit for years, and is right every time.

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r00ty 4 points 3 years ago

But! It's just like an air hockey table! I swear it's not difficult! :P

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chitak166 0 points 3 years ago

It sounds pretty complicated, Elon!

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banneryear1868 1 point 3 years ago

Most engineering channels on YouTube. Guess thunderf00t has made progress recovering his public image.

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chitak166 -1 points 3 years ago

He's always been an OG.

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KISSmyOS 17 points 3 years ago
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sigmaklimgrindset 2 points 3 years ago
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ThunderWhiskers 7 points 3 years ago

I think you were being sarcastic with that last line and nobody caught it. Sorry mate.

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Huschke 6 points 3 years ago

Read the rest of their posts. It doesn't seem like they're being sarcastic.

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TheBat 6 points 3 years ago
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witheyeandclaw 1 point 3 years ago

I want to believe.

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nova_ad_vitum 2 points 3 years ago

I don't see why maglev trains in a vacuum are so difficult

Then make it.

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Mojojojo1993 -2 points 2 years ago

If only I could. My life's goal is that. To build what nobody else will. Unfortunately I must acquire great wealth in order to do that. Proving particular difficult. Still have some years left.

Then I can implement my manifesto

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tostiman -24 points 3 years ago

Don't bother asking here, people on Lemmy blindly hate anything that has anything to do with Musk

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Kbobabob 23 points 3 years ago

There's a whole lot to not like though. Are you saying people aren't justified?

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