Not only that, but there are also two arrows on this map going into the UK. It’s up to the UK to take care of how well these arrows connect to important locations within their borders. There really doesn’t appear to be an issue whatsoever.
oktoberpaard 93 points 3 years ago
arudesalad 29 points 3 years ago
These arrows already exist! The France one is the English tunnel and the Ireland one is there because they need to make Ireland feel like one island. The uk dont have much control over how well they connect to their border. I think the uk would have benefited from this plan as they seem to be having problems with trains
laborer3922 6 points 3 years ago
All I hear is that scheming EU is shooting two arrows at the UK.
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Hyperreality 83 points 3 years ago
I found the wikipedia article:
Apparently initial proposals for this pre-date brexit by 26 years.
This is a Daily Express article. Utter trash, right wing yellow journalism. Rabidly pro-brexit, endorsed Liz Truss for PM. You know, the weird cheese lady who was outlasted by a lettuce.
Obviously brexit isn't going so well and neither is the latest tory PM, so it's time for their daily article about how the foreigners done ruined Engerland.
niktemadur 64 points 3 years ago
If that idiotic and corrosive Brexit campaign had been defeated, the headline might be screaming how scheming EU nations drag the UK into their expensive transport plans.
Also the same mindless parrots on their tellys and newspapers would be mindlessly arguing the point, tossing out word salads, exactly as they would with the EU making their plans and keeping the UK out of them.
Meanwhile, non-voters who could have made a difference will be just as idiotic on polling day: "Politics is for wankers/both parties are the same. Shall we go for drinks?"
asteriskeverything 50 points 3 years ago
It's wild to me how America, UK, and Canada are dealing with these idiotic right wing extremists or fans. It did not go well in the states, is still not going well, but people in other countries are all agreeing that yeah now is the time to be loud, racist, shitholes who make life worse for everyone with their stupidity????? What the fuuuck
beebarfbadger 28 points 3 years ago
Step 1) blame everyone else for everything that's wrong. Step 2) promise all the good things if only people vote for you. If they are actually gullible enough to do that we come to step 3) grab all the wealth you can and shift it to your cronies, smash anything too heavy to carry off and leave the opposition in a smouldering ruin that you can then again blame and berate the next government for.
grue 3 points 3 years ago
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Carighan 13 points 3 years ago
And you'd think at the latest when the Brexit happens and totally fucked up logistics, industry and the already ailing healthcare in the UK, the right-wing voters might have realized "Oh wait, maybe the people we've been voting for us have been lying and it was rather obvious with how they didn't want to be associated with the shit they made us vote for after it actually worked out and they won the vote". Nope. They're proud of it. All the mean mean evil EU now being mean to lil' ol' England out of pure spite. Aye.
(to be fair we already did that a long time ago when we banished them to a damp, sad and depressing island in the north sea)
BluesF 17 points 3 years ago
I heard on the radio this morning the government singing their own praises after reintroducing pint size bottles of wine. A "Brexit benefit". This is after 99% of those surveyed said they wanted metric sizes. 99%!
FlyingSquid 2 points 3 years ago
pint size bottles of wine
Who is that wine for? Ants?
TheGrandNagus 5 points 3 years ago
All of Europe, and a bunch of other places, are swinging to the right. It's not an Anglosphere thing, you just read english-speaking news more.
Funny enough, the UK is in the process of swinging back leftwards again at the moment. Roll on the 2024 general election.
iknowitwheniseeit 4 points 3 years ago
The Netherlands just voted in our own right-wing extremist, Geert Wilders. 😭
grue 3 points 3 years ago
You know how the right-wing nutjobs have been frothing about a "new world order" conspiracy theory for a long time now? You know, the one about a secretive multinational cabal plotting to take over the entire world?
Yeah... it turns out even that was projection, too.
afraid_of_zombies 1 point 3 years ago
Every since the thought occurred to me I can't stop thinking about it. There is just this entire class of people out there who do no real work, are paid money to tell us how they should be running things, and whose only plan in running things is to take something that works and break it.
AlpacaChariot 18 points 3 years ago
The UK doesn't need to be part of this really, there's one link to mainland Europe (the channel tunnel) and the rest should just be sensible UK road and rail network planning. NI and Ireland already have ways to cooperate when it comes to planning transport on the Ireland of Island.
I say "in theory" because our government just scrapped HS2 phase 2, so our rail network is going to continue to be shit for years.
AlpacaChariot 4 points 3 years ago
Lol my bad. I'm going to leave it like that for everyone to enjoy!
Viking_Hippie 5 points 3 years ago
sensible UK road and rail network planning
How many decades has it been since THAT last happened, though?
I say "in theory" because our government just scrapped HS2 phase 2, so our rail network is going to continue to be shit for years.
Oh. Same page, it would seem 😁
WaxedWookie 166 points 3 years ago
Those scheming betrayers also left Australia out of the transport plan for EU members.
How much lead paint do you need to eat to see the loaded language in these headlines and think "yeah - seems legit."
WaxedWookie 26 points 3 years ago
So the EU isn't allowed to cooperate with a country (that's at least part of the single market and contiguous continent), because they saw no value in including Britain, and that was a scheming betrayal?
What point are you failing to make here?
13esq -29 points 3 years ago
I don't think that they're refusing to cooperate. I think they're looking after their own members and why wouldn't they? Are you suggesting that they give the same benefits to member states as non-member states? If so, why wouldn't everyone leave?
Are you going to adress that you don't know the difference between Austria and Switzerland or am I just getting suckered in to feeding the troll? Coz if you're trolling then you're actually very funny but I'm probably too autistic to tell.
qarbone 62 points 3 years ago
It said 'Australia', not 'Austria'. You know, 'Australia'...the one in Oceania. Probably highlighting the ridiculousness of a country so removed from the continet feeling slighted for not being included in plans for the EU.
You suckered yourself into looking like an arse.
Jackthelad 132 points 3 years ago
This is from the Daily Express, which is a paper that's full of these sort of ragebait, horseshit headlines.
FlyingSquid 0 points 3 years ago
I honestly thought it was sarcasm.
Annoyed_Crabby 102 points 3 years ago
Ohh no how can they not include me in their plan after i burn the bridges with them
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RizzRustbolt 37 points 3 years ago
Why won't the EU help me fix all these burnt bridges?
HiddenLayer5 88 points 3 years ago
Wasn't the UK govt also complaining about their tax money going into funding EU projects like this?
Aceticon 44 points 3 years ago
I lived in Britain during the Leave campaign and it was all about getting the benefits without the responsabilities or costs.
In fact, the sequence of political events that lead to the Leave Referendum was Britain in the EU trying to have less and less obligations whilst keeping the benefits of Membership to the point that eventually, when the UK demanded "otherwise we have a Referedum on Leave" to not to have to abide by Freedom Of Movement into their country whilst keeping all the rest including Freedom Of Movement for Britons into other EU countries, the rest of the EU said "No!". After this, David Cammeron was under huge pressure to do the Referendum "to show the EU" and the rest is History.
The La-La-Land fantasism of the Leave side was always unbelievable, with everything from genuine expections of, post leave, having "Same Rights as Members With No Obligations", to after Brexit "Other EU Nations will Follow Us Out".
I would say that by this point it's clear that whatever Britain is "showing the EU" isn't quite what was in Leaver fantasies.
Tagger 7 points 3 years ago
To be fair that is because it was sold to the public on outright lies and the readings of a couple of unscrupulous twats.
Johnson for example had always been pro-eu and reportedly had two articles written, one remain and one leave, and based his decision of which one to publish on which was more politically expedient for him, not on what he actually thought was better for the country.
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A_Random_Idiot 53 points 3 years ago
Scheming EU to make an EU travel plan for countries that didnt voluntarily leave the EU to pursue some racist bullshit propaganda that even the people who started brexit, deep down, didnt want, and never thought would actually happen.
Jff 46 points 3 years ago
It's always weird to read stuff from the UK to do with brexit. That paper is clearly some right wing rag and the reality is that we are connected via the channel tunnel and all that this is doing is leaving us off the maps and probably the reasoble prices.
But people like to rile it up like we are missing out on some grand EU mega plan that is going to save the world. The EU has plenty of problems and is not some sort of nirvana. Would I rather be in the EU? Yes it is better to be part of something. However it is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and to be honest day to day it makes little difference to me. People in the UK are not crying into their union jack hankies, we have bigger problems like a completely corrupt and incompetent ruling class.
snugglesthefalse 18 points 3 years ago
Every time I hear about Brexit I'm reminded how 17 million people directly fucked up my ability to be part of something just to spite themselves. If you don't want to be part of something then just take yourself and leave, don't drag everyone else out too.
afraid_of_zombies 1 point 3 years ago
Because anti-globalism is the most widely held opinion on earth. You can find people supporting it in every country and they use the power of infrastructure built up by countries working together to spread their message. It is like some weird variant on the paradox of tolerance. A nationalist can only recirculate their unoriginal ideas because internationalism existed for so long.
A bad peace is better than a good war.
nova_ad_vitum 17 points 3 years ago
Then why are you commenting by being a part of the largest network on earth?
HerbalGamer 17 points 3 years ago
Practical outcome in the case of the EU?
- Relaxed borders / Easy International Travel
- Easy to go work in another country
- Same currency (for most of it)
Probably more but that's what I can think of right now.
UncleGrandPa -5 points 3 years ago
Other way around
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undercrust 32 points 3 years ago
New maps for Ticket to Ride just dropped
azertyfun 32 points 3 years ago
The Trans-European Transport Project has been ongoing since the '90s.
And since I was curious, here are the new guidelines adopted last week. Nothing revolutionary but an evolution in the right direction. I do find it personally interesting that the TEN-T apparently did not previously formally take into account military mobility...
barsoap 3 points 3 years ago
TETP is just a nefarious scheme to dictate glorious typography to member states. Seriously that thing is good: Ridiculously legible and specifically so in "big font at long distances" situations, meanwhile both friendly and authoritative -- exactly the kind of thing you want when asking for the way. No "yeah let me think where was that intersection" or "can't you find your own way" but "Of course! Go straight ahead, first to the left, then the second right".
Now if the EU would get around to telling member states that they should learn from each other in overall traffic and urban design, and follow the best practices that they can find anywhere. Which is diplomatic language for "Do as the Dutch do".
dubyakay 31 points 3 years ago
What's truly bullshit about this map is Hungary. To get anywhere, you have to go through Budapest and it's been like this since the last 150 years, when it comes to rail. Even though it has at least seven metropolitan areas outside of Pest county with population above 100k... NOPE! You have to go through two of the three major railway stations of Budapest.
What's worse is say you are a local to Hungary and you live east of the Danube. You want to visit Lake Balaton in the west. You have to take the train to Budapest. You then transfer by Metró to the other railway station. And then take another train to the lake. Three fares and two transfers, which might be fine as an individual but adds up in costs and stress if you are with family or have accessibility needs. And by accessibility needs I'm just talking about being elderly (who mostly travel free or at a very reduced rate) or a stroller.
raynethackery 7 points 3 years ago
Why is it set up that way?
TheGreenGolem 4 points 3 years ago
Our capitol was always overprioritiezed because of some kind of elitism.
kilgore_trout 2 points 3 years ago
I can only guess the reasons but I experienced this frustration when I needed to go from the very north to the very east of the country and still had to go through Budapest.
southsamurai 26 points 3 years ago
Pfft, they're lucky the French don't bomb their end of the chunnel.
EdibleFriend 18 points 3 years ago
Knowing the french they are just waiting for the UK to look at them wrong so they can do that. After a few weeks of rioting of course.
southsamurai 3 points 3 years ago
Of course. The je ne sais quoi is rioting, always. As is the avec.
vivadanang 4 points 3 years ago
I imagine sad, regretful brits dining/vacationing are a boon to the economy.
wildginger 25 points 3 years ago
Are those tunnels to ireland?
Under the water?
Are people not sketched out by that? That sounds terrifying
wildginger 4 points 3 years ago
Good god thats so much better
Obi 1 point 3 years ago
Ferries are pretty nice, we recently used them for a NL -> EN -> WA -> IE -> SCO -> NL trip and they were nice. Some of them had plenty of entertainment and felt quite nice, others a bit more run down but still fine. The best was taking the overnight ones, you sleep on board and disembark fresh and ready to go in the morning at your destination and costs less than having a separate hotel night.
tigeruppercut 24 points 3 years ago
The floating tunnels weren't working out so well
Everythingispenguins 5 points 3 years ago
Bridges, with a mid ocean interchange
Resol 2 points 3 years ago
The trains can fly... only to literally crash at the destination's train station. Somehow, everyone miraculously survives every single time.
That actually sounded way more terrorist than I wanted it to.
circasurvivor 1 point 3 years ago
"Daylight 2: Erin Go Bragh"
ZombiFrancis 21 points 3 years ago
I see two arrows leading into the UK. One across the channel and the other into NI, FFS.
wolfpack86 10 points 3 years ago
Why not liberate northern Ireland and reunite it with the rest
Guntrigger 1 point 3 years ago
There's a smidge more nuance to that whole situation.
webbfinch89 19 points 3 years ago
The channel tunnel exists so already a direct link and all the usage without having to pay for it? Abit of a win really
768 10 points 3 years ago
There is this saying 'people are not islands' to mean people are interconnected with each other. The literal sense being applied by the last decade and by extension the last semicentennial is weird. The EU is a federation and any country can leave, but I still think Brexit was a mistake.
Hyperreality 35 points 3 years ago
Part of Schengen, part of the European Free Trade Association, signed a lot of bilateral treaties and enacted a lot of EU legislation, contributed to EU projects.
The Swiss electorate voted against becoming part of the EU, but the EU's a huge market so Switzerland is quite integrated with the EU while still being independent.
Norway isn't part of the EU either, but they're in a similar position as Switzerland, which is probably why they're also part of this proposal.
GenEcon 0 points 3 years ago
Switzerland is also a lot more integrated than GB. Remember when we discussed hard vs. soft brexit? Soft Brexit would have left GB in a similar state like Switzerland and Norway. But we got a hard brexit.
possiblylinux127 -20 points 3 years ago
Honestly we should just flatten Switzerland with nukes as its just a waste of space.
Skua 11 points 3 years ago
Nonsense. We should swap it with Scotland, since both are beautiful mountainous countries with reasonably similar land areas and population, but on the whole Scots want to be in the EU and Switzerlanders don't
RIP_Cheems 4 points 3 years ago
Damn, they even included Ireland. Serves them right for wanting to mistreat the entire world.
RIP_Cheems 2 points 3 years ago
I just thought the wouldn't because of how much ocean there is between the two spots.
SplashJackson 3 points 3 years ago
But Switzerland has line???
Overzeetop 2 points 3 years ago
I get it, and lol or whatever, but Ireland is getting two ferries(?) from entirety of the mainland, and the UK is still connected via the tunnel which looks to be a major link-hub for the new system. I guess if it weren’t for Brexit there might have been an Edinburgh-Amsterdam or -Brussels link, but it’s not like Aberdeen or New Castle was going to get any love.
Venicon 2 points 3 years ago
I believe we have two ferries going from east Scotland to Amsterdam and Bruges (or somewhere nearby) starting shortly. We also have Fred Olsen cruises from Scottish ports now too.
Not defending brexit before I get pitchforked but we aren’t exactly cut off…
MonkderZweite 2 points 3 years ago
Should add a few more lines to Switzerland. We do play nice with EU.
ChillDude69 0 points 3 years ago
As a heathen Yank, I don't have an actual stake in the whole thing. However, I can't escape the following, as my considered opinion:
EU Proponent: "Hey, you know how it's really easy to govern, fund, and defend nations and empires?"
Skeptical European: "Ummm...are you joking?"
EU Proponent: "Well, some of us were thinking.: what if we carve out a nebulous, constantly shifting middle-ground between a single nation, a group of nations, and an empire. Ya know, some kind of cobbled-together, mutated entity, possessing some characteristics of all those things, but never truly being any of them. That might be EVEN EASIER to manage."
Skeptical European: "What the...what? Fucking WHAT?"
EU Proponent: "We figure the most important aspect would be a constant vagueness, regarding the enforcement of laws, standards, and regulations that all the nations in the semi-pseudo-super-nation group would have to follow."
Skeptical European: "Come again?"
EU Proponent: "Well, it's simple: maybe all the countries in the quasi-ultra-state would be bound to obey laws passed by the mega-parliament. But also, maybe they would still be sovereign states, and they wouldn't have to obey those laws. But, then again, maybe they ARE supposed to obey them, technically, but there isn't an effective method of enforcement. If everyone has to keep guessing, that will make sure everyone pays attention, and everything will go really smoothly."
Skeptical European: "Ohhhhhkay. But we'll still bully the shit out of Greece if they have financial problems, right?"
EU Proponent: "Oh, fuck yes. That's 90 percent of why we're even doing this."
Skeptical European: "Alright, I'm in."
MyNameIsIgglePiggle 0 points 3 years ago
So basically state government
kilgore_trout 8 points 3 years ago
The map shows the actual proposal, I don't know what possibly could look sus to you.
Dra -2 points 3 years ago
I found the proposal - I thought the lines to Ireland were all proposed rail (despite encroaching the incorrect distance by sea) but its a rough diagram and those are water transport routes.
Looms fine to me though, there's a path into Norway, and there's a path into the UK.
What's the big deal?
therealjcdenton -12 points 3 years ago
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"Scheming EU states" is a total flame bait headline. The UK is not part of the EU, so why should they be included in any of this? They should be HAPPY about the EU not "meddling" with their "freedom"!
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