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3 years ago by Lumidaub to c/mildlyinfuriating
A screenshot, taken way before rexxit, of two comments on reddit, dated "1 year ago".
The first comment is by a deleted user and the comment has been removed. The second comment is a reply to the deleted comment and it says: "That solved it. Thanks!"
Edit: added temporal context.
I respect that, and if Reddit had handled the situation differently, I'd be inclined to agree. But I just do not want them profiting off of my contributions when they've shown such utter contempt for their user base and moderators.
Why does one single corporation get sole ownership of your knowledge?
It's not difficult to download what you have contributed to Reddit and to post elsewhere.
Your knowledge belongs to you, you have the right to take it with you when you leave.
Of course you have the right to be lazy and not do that. Or to say, "I am fine with leaving it for Reddit to sell".
But please don't attempt to belittle or minimize the efforts of those who are trying to make a stand.
You are acting like they are doing something wrong ("making the world smaller") when they are simply deciding that their knowledge will not be monetized by a corporation.
It’s not difficult to download what you have contributed to Reddit and to post elsewhere.
If you believe that what you've learned is of value you have to both consider what you're saying and who can see it. If it's valuable Reddit is far more discoverable than a corner of the internet. It's not a matter necessarily of being "lazy", it's weighing the medium with the message.
It's not difficult to download what you have contributed to Reddit and to post somewhere.
It's not easy either. Reddit sometimes has a particular set of posts that solve queries that are not even answered in stack overflow.
Reddit may have did a massive asshole move, but deleting those things might make things difficult only for people who seek the knowledge, not reddit.
Saving the important posts, posting the question and answer to lemmy and then deleting those posts imo would be the most optimal solution. At least the information is available somewhere and not punishing people looking for answers to their queries.
But it's the obscure questions that need to be saved
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Fuck have we really gone that far back? We'll be back to saying kek before too long at this rate
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I'm more of a kekw guy. RIP El Risitas
Maybe you didn't. But maybe there was that one thing that was stupid and meaningless to you that someone found great, and others might have also. I respect whatever decision you made though, I understand both sides. It should never have come to the point of people having to make such choices in anger and protest. For money.
Still many people don’t know about the caching google does or archive.org unfortunately.
Same. I used to frequent help subs, both asking and answering questions, and I know the pain of finding a deleted answer to a niche but important question.
I came to the same conclusion too. Nuking my shitposting account before leaving was enough to made me feel guilty so I decided to keep the other account that I used for actual problem solving and proper discussions intact for the same reason you mentioned.
Not if the user edited their comment with [removed] before they deleted their account. That isn't necessarily a mod change.
All those posts are archived anyway, and anyone can create their own Lemmy instance once Reddit dies, preserving all the content from Reddit.
It's funny to me that people seem to think your posts actually get deleted. I'm 99% sure they are still stored in the DB and deleting them just generates a new line in the DB with [deleted] as the content.
The irony is Reddit is still getting its ad views but users get screwed.
Same. I was definitely free tech support on niche topics I still get random DMs about months apart by a lost redditor that’s found the light. I don’t care about Reddit “benefiting from my data”… bitch I gave that up as soon as I registered an account and interacted with other users via the reddit medium.
Exactly, it's like people burning the library of Alexandria again. And in some cases it doesnt stop traffic. The post with question will often stay. Just removing something because you don't like someone's actions... Sounds just like u/spez. And so they've become the thing they vowed to destroy.
Devil's advocate. There's no such thing as an effective protest that doesn't inconvenience the public. I've heard people say the exact same thing about the blackouts. This protest would not have worked if people could use Reddit normally and totally ignore what was going on. Unlike most protests, none of this does any harm to people IRL so I think people should be OK with being heavy-handed. It's "oh no, I can't access reddit to help figure out how to fix my wifi" vs "protests are blocking me on my way to work, causing me to be late and possibly be fired". The situations just don't compare.
Beyond that, Reddit has replaced all forums and discussion boards and it's actually a huge problem in terms of being a single point of failure. It's a net positive that this issue was highlighted for the non-tech crowd.
Except, it’s not like burning the Library of Alexandria again, because you can find most of those old posts on The Internet Archive. Hell, if you’re too lazy to go search the URL, there are browser extensions that will do it for you.
As much as reddit sucks right now, getting rid of decades of tech solutions that are not found anywhere else (not on the fediverse either) is not a solution. back up your reddit stuff somewhere and link to it from reddit, but don't delete it, and don't delete it and tell people 'because lemmy', people will hate lemmy.
That's a problem with many companies... for example, Google Maps relies almost completely on its local guides that spend many hours of their free time adding content to google maps. Google makes money with ads, but in my >5 years of being a local guide, I only got a 15% discount for Google store as reward (after being a local guide for 4 years) which I don't even need...
I don't mean to brag, but I was a very active Guide for a couple years and I am still in the top 10% even though I haven't posted a review in two years. My profile info shows that I have had hundreds of thousands of views.
They gave me a pair of Google Guide themed socks. They were cheap, poorly sized, and wore thin quickly.
It's infuriating, and even more when you start looking for that profit pattern in companies that range from "philanthropic" foundations leeching from volunteers while buying their own companies stock, to academic journals with CEO's earning ridiculous amounts of money over research that someone else paid.
Well without a public API it may be quite impossible to mass delete stuff (for non EU-citizen at least, EU citizens can always do a GPDR delete request -otoh you basically have to connect your reddit account with your real name to do that so big nope as well) in the future, so i fully understand why so many people did it
Will it cause collateral damage? Yes. Am i happy I did it when it was still possible? Fuck yes.
Honestly, those decades of solutions are useless unless they have both a version number and a date associated with them. And if that date is more that 6 months ago, it's probably still useless even if it has both.
It's usually still a good-enough jumping off point. My fiance came across this just yesterday, her sound in Overwatch kept cutting out and found a 2 year old solution from Overwatch 1 and it got the issue fixed. I'm gonna be bummed when all that data is gone forever.
I'm running a GTX 1060, have debian Servers and my Powerline Adapter is from 2015. ipv4 is still dominant and the x11 protocol hasn't been changed in over 40 years. Plenty of tech widely in use today isn't getting updated or replaced or updated every 6 months
These solutions are not always workarounds for bugs. Sometimes they are ways to do something non-trivial, and that nontrivial something can still be done in the exact same (or at least very similar) way even after several major version releases.
I posted a reply with a "quick fix" to a Lenovo T14s issue, quite some time ago. That reply has kept getting "Thank you" replies now and again. I suspect that that will continue for a long time to come.
There is a lot of that kind of useful information on Reddit that doesn't get outdated for at foreseeable future.
Hell. I found a 14 year old solution to a Borland database issue I had at work, buried in some old forums, so don't dismis the value of old information.
Not necessarily on that last point. Alot of people run older hardware, especially recently with the economy dialing back and negligible updates being made hardware wise the past 5-6 yrs. Like i DD a '15 i7 MBP with Arch linux, and if it weren't for the Saved documentation in the Arch Wiki for this 8yr old laptop, I would be SoL on getting many things working.
I destroyed thirteen years of comment and post history. Is there any reason I should further maintain my account? I'm asking because if there's something more I can do to screw with their site via my account, I'm all ears.
Make sure your posts are deleted, and sell it to an advertiser. Just look up where to sell. A 13 Year old account will make you a good bit of money, and it will in all likelihood be used to spam the site with an ad campaign.
Man on one hand that would feel cathartic as fuck, and who would mind a bit of extra money, but I don't think I can bring myself to do that.
I still feel a bit ambivalent about deleting comments in general, like yes it hurts the company, but it also hurts innocent users just looking for answers.
I looked up account buyers once. They really do hand out cash money for established Reddit accounts. They have these huge never ending lists of accounts for sale with details like how old it is, if it comes with activity in certain subs. All with prices right on them.
Makes me wish I still had my og account from 11 years ago.
Yes, submit a GDPR/CCPA (Reddit is in California, so they are legally required to serve these request to anyone 'protected' by US laws) request. It's expensive and time consuming for them. It should also help you confirm if all of your data has actually been deleted. They have 30 days to comply with the request.
My plan is, one I get my data and confirm everything is deleted, to submit another request if any data was found and will repeat this until all of the data is gone. Only then will I finally submit one more out of spite followed by immediately deleting the account. Honestly not sure how that will affect them processing it but I'd imagine it should then indeed confirm the account itself is 'deleted'.
It absolutely is worse for users because we can only find the content via channels that spez approves of - removing the content just means you can find the content to be unavailable faster than if you had to scroll through the ads
This has "searching desperately for a programming question only to find a stackexchange that's like "edit: nevermind I solved it" energy.
Nothing grinds my gears more than looking for a tech solution / coding solution to a problem, only to find one other person had the same issue, and then finding that the original post was either deleted like in OPs, or just "nevermind I fixed it".
I'll bite. Have you ever been trying to find a solution and multiple of the top results are various forum posts where the only reply is people telling OP to just use a search engine instead of asking?
Who were you DenverCoder9? What did you see?!
Obligatory relevant xkcd.
The most common version of this is when someone posts to Stack Overflow asking about the exact problem in having.
The only reply is from OP: NVM. Fixed it. (4 years ago.)
And you can never post the same topic again since it'll be marked as duplicate and links back to that useless-ass post
I saw a few people editing all their Reddit comments/posts with an explanation as to why the info is gone and they also gave a link to where they could find their content reposted on Lemmy. Thought that was pretty clever.
they also gave a link to where they could find their content reposted on Lemmy.
I wanted to do the same but I have heard that reddit is censoring any mention of fediverse or migration to kbin/lemmy and hence I just edited it out (with PowerDeleteSuite fork) to some copy pasta and deleted my comments.
Seems like if you edit the post the comments don't go away even if you put Lemmy links. Maybe there's a time delay but I edited my comments through PDS too with Lemmy links and then looked in incognito/other devices after it was done and they were still there.
My brother you are kinda living under a rock. There have been widespread of websites/scripts to do this while the deadend(because we don't know of what changes reddit would make of their api which may hamper the work of these services)of July 1st was approaching.
You can request your data from reddit but it says it can take up to 30 days.
You probably missed reading the comment I was replying. What I meant is a script that automate what previous comment was about.
It's not simply deleting comments on Reddit, but relocating it to lemmy and replacing all comments on Reddit with link to comments on lemmy
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That's the intention of users deleting their staffs: making reddit less useful, and therefore, shrink its traffic.
That's the downside of having a website completely runned by the community and volunteer moderators. You mess with them, you lose half of their contents. 🤣
Answers to tech problems aren't what drive reddits profits. They make way more in daily posts and memes. Deleting helpful comments hurts users way more than reddit.
I disagree. So many people used Google and Reddit congruently as a sort of "hack" for finding solutions quickly, not just tech based but for any and everything. Google even announced that their search has worsened since the reddit changes. For it to be noticeable by Google and enough the publicly comment on it, I'd say it was driving alot more traffic to reddit than your thinking. It also brought in non daily active users to the site, potentially turning them into daily active users.
Tldr, if this was hurting Google enough to notice, reddit is definitely feeling the pain. 😁
I fix a LOT of random things for myself and as a side hustle. Google is sometimes good for that sort of thing but but adding "reddit" into the search field generally yields far better results.
There's every chance that's Reddit's fault and the comment with the answer was deleted within the last month as part of a "burn it down on the way out" protest. If you're coming from a Google search, it may be annoying, but if you're posting here about it, you can probably imagine why it was deleted.
I mass edited all of my Reddit comments to say "Deleted" along with a message that I do not want Reddit profiting from my content when they treat their community so poorly. I felt that was more constructive than simply deleting the comments (and risk the admins restoring it if I were to delete my account entirely).
Prior to the shitstorm, I was active in many communities and provided lots of answers to technical topics; those answers are now lost outside of any post archives out there.
I know and I foolishly didn't consider that people might jump on the fact that this happens to have been taken on reddit (a year ago). Wasn't even trying to say anything about anything, just shitposting.
I used to moderate a tech forum and the number of times that people would message me to delete their posts because they figured out the solution was staggering so this doesn’t surprise me all that much that it happened/happens on places like reddit. People don’t think, for whatever reason, that someone might come along with the same problem as them.
I work IT, the solution I found yesterday on reddit had been processed deleted - it had not been captured by archive.org
Actually worse, since you now know there is a solution. Even better when you find other links marking it as solved, that point back to the same place.
I didn't delete my comments. Mainly because Reddit had been renewing comments after deletion, so why waste my time over a thing out of my control now. But also just in case, for this. I doubt I posted anything very enlightening, but it's not for me to judge their value. Maybe someone did, and others would.
I just moved on, let things happen however they will.
Mass deleting comments is something that just makes us feel better. Reddit still profited off the post with people clicking on it. They just see a deleted message instead of an answer.
I think as long as the original post is up it would hit enough key words but I could be wrong. Deleting the actual post is more effective than the comments.
Yes
I was under the assumption that it was removed bc of the migration/protests. Would that be the case, I wouldn't mind the info being lost. I've been trying to avoid clicking on (live) reddit links even if there's the answer I'm looking for. Also, maybe using the wayback machine does the trick?
Yes, I had read that, hence the "I was". Anyway, the wayback machine is still worth a try since it can go back pretty far back in time (if you are ever in that situation again, that is).
I replaced every comment I ever made with a protest message.
Shredding my account may have left some holes like this
Idk what you're talking about. But I like "Rexxit". That's classy AF.
Unlike the Great Library at Alexandria, the information contained in many reddit threads is actually available in other places and can be recreated - often by the same person if necessary and relevant.
I understand people not wanting to have that information deleted, but I think the analogy is a bit heavy. For many, it's a balancing act where the fundamental disagreement with reddit's cultural evolution outweighs the desire to participate in the knowledge repository.
I think many people were comfortable with their ideas belonging to the communities that spawned on reddit, and they viewed reddit's ownership as a necessary technicality for the platform to exist. Once reddit clarified that they intended to act on that ownership, many people no longer wanted to participate.
I think they have that right.
More importantly, who owns our thoughts in this space?
If it says removed doesn't that mean its a mod (or admin) action? My understanding is that it would say deleted if the user removed it.
It's what it looks like if you delete your comment.
If it was an admin it would say something like "this comment has been removed by admins" or something similar. I've seen it happen a few times before I left the site.
[deleted] by [deleted] is when you remove the message yourself. [removed] by [deleted] if it was removed by mods. [Removed by Reddit] by [deleted] if it was done by the admins (?), if the message is still there but the username is [deleted], they deactivated their account themselves.
And if you get suspended, unless the admins wipe your account clean as well the message as well as the poster name stay as is.
Moderator action. Reddit's AEO edits it to [ Removed by Reddit ], even to the point where the author cannot see the comment's content anymore. Always great when you try to appeal a ban and don't even know what the comment said in the first place.
I think you're going to begin to see a lot of that on Reddit. I overwrote and delete my ~10 years of comments and posts before deleting my account. I imagine a significant number of others have/will too.
12 years here. It's not to deprive others of information either. I did it because if people with the ethics of Spez own it, they'll use for whatever means they see fit, meaning money, or paywall etc .
The information people seek is still out there in the same places we all got it from in order to post it on reddit.
Reddit made this mess by destroying trust. I have no idea how they'll use that information if I leave it there .
This is know: it won't be for my benefit, likely it will be used to manipulate,or in bad faith. Similar to Facebook and insta.
Yeah, I gave advice on some smaller / niche, topics. I didn't delete the whole thing, only my most upvoted and/or most recent comments (I went all the way to december 2022, and every comment with more than 20 upvotes). Replaced it all with a link to my kbin.
It was kind of sad reading all the replies that were like "we should put this comment in the FAQ / this is the best comment / this covers everything". I was very throughout and loved speading what I learned, and it pains me a little the few times I lurked in those communities since moving to kbin and see lots of unanswered pleads for advice or straight up terrible advice being given...
That solved it. Thanks!
I just came from another discussion on whether it's a good or bad thing that others can still see the username on some Lemmy instances even after comments get deleted. What do you guys think? I'd really hate to be the person in that image who would likely be flooded by DMs asking for solutions.
On the one hand you have to be more careful. On Reddit I could regularly purge my account and that would keep privacy from most low hanging fruit. Allowing me to share a bit more than I normally would.
On the other hand you know this going in. Reddit used to be more private but dickheads like the Pushshift guy would try work around that and then offer to honor privacy, but ignore requests etc. So it BECAME more complex.
Though honestly anything you type should be considered public record and something you would be willing to say at a coffee shop. However I have had people select context and try and dox me. So I try and keep it just vague enough.
Deleting your Lemmy account will however also remove your username off posts, I think.
Sure, but it would border on illegal. At the very least, they would have to be far more carefull about GDPR and California law.
I see lots of them. Unpopular opinion but I think going back and deleting every single comment you made is an over the top method of protesting the API charges. Lots of interesting conversations are now gone forever.
This is the reason I didn't delete my reddit content. It's very annoying when the only post/comment related to my issue is on reddit, and it's been deleted. I don't want to be a part of that problem.
This thread is great. I love how people are arguing against deleting your Reddit history by comparing their own history to the content in the Library of Alexandria. The Reddit hive mind and subreddit echo chamber had a lasting effect, it seems.
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