No idea what you mean. I just quickly wanted to update before calling it a night, got a grub update and now it neither boots the default nor the fallback image. I use Arch BTW.
Little1Lost 24 points 3 years ago
so everything breaks daily i assume?
infinitevalence 5 points 3 years ago
Only the pacman-keys.
somedaysoon 45 points 3 years ago path: 0 860514 865516, hotness: undefined, score: 45, children: 11
rbits 1 point 3 years ago
KDE Neon for me. Previously Linux Mint. Both of their app stores are not great (on KDE Neon it only does flatpaks, and takes a full minute to launch), and my apt has had some kind of broken package/dependency for ages now. Also tried to install some app the other day through apt, cant remember what, but it wanted a different version of a package, but it wouldn't let me install it cause other things depended on a different version. In the end I just gave up and installed the flatpak instead.
Also multiple times, on both Mint and Neon, an update has randomly broken my Nvidia driver, so I had to restore a Timeshift backup.
And Ubuntu/Ubuntu-based distros are supposed to be the easiest.
somedaysoon 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 860514 865516 928317 937160, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 2
rbits 3 points 3 years ago
What do you mean "limited account"? Do you mean no sudo access? Because I literally wouldn't be able to install anything except for flatpaks. Are you implying that the breakages are my fault? Cause if so, what did I do to cause them? I don't personally think I've done anything crazy.
Also yes, windows breaks things sometimes as well. But my Linux install has broken over 5 times in the year and a half I've been using it. My windows install has broken... not once in the past 5 years. I have definitely had problems, but none so bad that I had to restore a backup or fix it with a live usb like I've had to with Linux.
I still like the freedom it gives me, that's why I still use it. But I feel like recommending it to people who don't know what they're doing is a horrible idea.
Holyginz -8 points 3 years ago
Lol, this was almost 15 years ago and i was just a dumb impatient kid messing around with CentOS. I mainly stopped using it because I couldn't game on it and I didn't have as much spare time at school.
somedaysoon 22 points 3 years ago path: 0 860514 865516 868347 868644, hotness: undefined, score: 22, children: 3
Holyginz -12 points 3 years ago
Seriously getting worked up by a lighthearted joke huh? Lol, you need to calm down buddy. I'm not in the least intimidated or bothered by you and I'm not arguing with someone over something silly like this.
itsJoelleScott 14 points 3 years ago
What on earth? Maintaining my Fedora machine has been a breeze, and most games work out the box whenever you install them on Steam!
Gaming has become the main task I expect my Linux device to do expertly!
CosmicCleric 7 points 3 years ago
I can confirm this as a Fedora user.
All I do is I let the updater run every day. It's identical to how Windows does it, and it updates and fixes things.
As far as gaming goes, I either install it via Steam directly, or I use Bottles and I have Bottles put a link into Steam for me, and then I launch it from Steam.
Holyginz 12 points 3 years ago
Lol, I'm not hating. I've had Linux before but it took more time then I had at that point learning and I mainly use my personal computers for gaming. Which is less of a headache on windows. That's just me though.
transmatrix 13 points 3 years ago
For me, it’s the right OS for the job. I use Linux for servers, Windows for gaming/work, and MacOS for gaming/personal. However, Linux Gaming is definitely coming along partly thanks to Proton (Valve).
Holyginz 4 points 3 years ago
Ah that's right I had heard something about that. Hopefully it continues improving so people don't feel like they have to choose either Linux or gaming and can base it purely on which OS they like better.
Digester 9 points 3 years ago
I'm on windows 10, use my PC for work and gaming. The thing with windows is that it works right out of the box, all major softwares are developed for windows in mind. When shit stops working is when you start messing with stuff that isn't your typical "start the PC -> download program -> install -> run the program -> shut off" which is what most users do. Updating the os, softwares and GPU drivers are easy tasks.
It's when you start messing with python or softwares that aren't too mainstream and require a bit more effort that things have the potential to break. Even then, the os itself won't break on you unless you really try. I broke windows a few times in 15 years but it's worth mentioning that I was manually and willingly changing registry keys and messing with a lot of other stuff. Even then most of the time I was able to fix it.
With Linux is different. If you just use the OS for basic stuff like browsing the internet and editing documents you should be fine for the most part (if you choose a user friendly and stable distro like Ubuntu or Mint). The moment you try getting to run niche softwares or something that requires you to manually open the command prompt to change things in order to accomodate what you're trying to achieve, that's where it gets tough for most people. That's how Linux works, it's the user's fault though not the machine's.
mikeyBoy14 8 points 3 years ago
Fucked Up the Distro?
MrStetson 1 point 3 years ago
Gaming is pretty much the same on most distros, Nobara just has some tweaks and made it relatively easy to install proprietary drivers like nvidia, and hardware acceleration codecs etc. What problems you had with Nobara, and what distro you landed after? Just curious
Evoke3626 3 points 3 years ago
Nonstop issues with the display config for Wayland. Forcing x11 helped a lot of issues. Too many weird glitchy OS things to count. Updates corrupting shit. GRUB broke. Generally lackluster performance even though I have decent hardware. I experienced all these issues within the 2 months I’ve been using it, vs windows being comparatively rock solid.
I haven’t. I’m still using Nobara. I wish it would be better. I am considering Mint (cinnamon) as it’s my fav distro.
electronicoldman 8 points 3 years ago path: 0 860514 861046, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
Whisper06 3 points 3 years ago
Yeah I’m not sure the last time you used Linux but it’s nothing like that these days. As long as you stick with a well established distribution you’ll be fine. I haven’t had to go in a “fix” an update in a while, even in some of the beta updates they’re fairly stable.
Holyginz 2 points 3 years ago
Lol I used CentOS over 10 years ago so I know it's not the same. At some point I'll likely mess around with Linux again. It's amusing seeing how some got my joking around and others seemed to take it seriously. Maybe I should have put /s or something at the end of what I said. Oh well
dustojnikhummer 2 points 3 years ago
And brick your install when you want to use a package made for an older version of your distro. Got Debian 11? Good luck running that utility built for Debian 10! (or Ubuntu 22.04 and utility built for 18.04)
cattywampus 1 point 10 days ago path: 0 860514 24240833, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
stupidcasey 1 point 3 months ago
Are we talking about windows or linux? Because updates are seamless if you want it and a single button otherwise.
Windows updates you have to re-affirm you infact do not want office 365 and you do not want spied on and do not want to make an account that after the desktop is blue for ~10 minutes saying "we're getting things ready" and then you have to jump through hoops re-setting your settings.
And that's every major update if we're talking about initial setup you have to hack the damn system just to remove the ads on the desktop, change the background, go into power shell, download sketchy software, remove one drive or at least turn it off so you don't get a stupid warning just for using your C drive.
I think this is very outdated information windows is absolutely horrendous to use.
nexussapphire 1 point 3 years ago
Mostly just when you initially install like most OSes ; browsers, office suits, game launchers, etc... My mother doesn't even notice fedora automatically installing updates when she turns her PC off. (I enabled automatic updates for her)
Even with my arch Linux install with Hyprland, most of the time I just update before I turn it off. With a terminal command but even that is just paru and my password or flatpak update. If I had kde or gnome desktop, I could set it up to auto update too.
Sometimes I don't even bother and use the computer without updating it for a couple of months or it automatically updates when I install new software.
Mechanismatic 117 points 3 years ago
"Okay, I switched to Linux, now I'm getting this error message: _______."
"Install ______."
"It gives me this error now: ______."
"You have to update the _____ library first."
"It won't let me."
"You have to use sudo."
"It tells me to clone the git via the command line, but git says verifying login from command line isn't supported any more."
"You're following seven year old instructions."
"They're the only instructions I can find."
"You should switch to this other flavor of Linux."
RCKLSSBNDN 100 points 3 years ago
I remember I had a date with a girl back in the'10s. We hit it off and got back to her place. Wanted to show her a funny Internet video.
She brought out an ancient laptop that refused to boot and said her Ex had tried to fix it with Linux.
I got it pointed at the right dependencies, she fellated me as it updated.
I think this is my only sexy story that includes Linux.
Well, I guess there was this one time I loaned a lonely neighbor DOS 6 disks.
But, that does not include Linux.
SubArcticTundra 13 points 3 years ago
I mean we all know that recompiling the kernel is practically a replacement for sex
Cannacheques 6 points 3 years ago
This is the best blowjob story I've read yet lol
lemmy_get_my_coat 85 points 3 years ago
Switch to Linux! Then you can have problems with Linux.
somedaysoon 37 points 3 years ago path: 0 867715 868883, hotness: undefined, score: 37, children: 11
gaiussabinus 21 points 3 years ago
I made the switch to linux that time they had three bad patches in a row and nothing was working. Every issue I have had in an issue in linux I am able to fix myself since nothing is obfuscated. I was using x11 rewritten by some Croatian dude as a proof of concept because it was the only thing that allowed torch to address the video card properly. Run into an issue in windows and find out that neither the manufacturer nor microsoft are supporting your product. Nothing i can do about it. Utterly rage inducing.
SgtSilverLining 18 points 3 years ago
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marcos 10 points 3 years ago
It's ads for other Microsoft products, and some things that will very obviously get ads in the future, like news, but actually don't and nobody can explain how.
So yes, there are ads, but not the way you probably imagined. (Yet?)
ArcaneSlime 9 points 3 years ago
And candy crush, don't forget the OG!
RCKLSSBNDN 5 points 3 years ago
Imagine playing solitaire and everytime you flip the draw pile a 30 second unskippable online casino ad plays.
PRUSSIA_x86 7 points 3 years ago
If you run an office and need your computers to be relatively idiotproof, use Windowss
somedaysoon 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 867715 868883 872067 901642, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
AnonymousLlama 78 points 3 years ago
About the same when you ask for a good GUI replacement for X and someone replies "just use the command line", like cheers for that men, not what I'm asking for.
littlecolt 31 points 3 years ago
AMEN! I asked recently if there was a good Linux alternative to this program I used in Windows called "Bulk Rename Utility" and i was flooded by people telling me how easy it was to set up a script to do what I want.
Turns out the best alternative is running BRU in Wine.
ArcaneSlime 7 points 3 years ago
Tbh though, as a person going through this learning right now, the single most essential thing I did was youtube "basic bash tutorial" and watch a few videos/follow along with them. Gave me the first foothold to start climbing the cliff, made it much less foreboding.
Now I'm struggling with for loops, but that is not exactly basic and I'm blaming that on my ADHD, I haven't tried to learn in months, I'll get around to it!
moomoomoo309 7 points 3 years ago
I'd have recommended KRename personally. It uses some programming-esque stuff (format specifiers for stuff), but it's not exactly difficult to do advanced stuff with it.
hellishharlot 2 points 3 years ago
This makes me wonder how powerful a repo platform like gitlab would be if it allowed people to suggest software ideas and have people make them. In this instance a simple GUI wrapper for bulk rename command line would be sufficient but I would bet there's millions of things like that, not world changing software just nice qol stuff
rambaroo 1 point 3 years ago
I tried to do something very similar recently and every solution I found involved using the command line with regular expressions. Fuck I hate regex. It would literally be faster for me to manually rename the files than to debug the regex until it works.
TunaCowboy -1 points 3 years ago
No need for a script, just use rename.
sucksatusernames 7 points 3 years ago
"Why even use a DE? Try a WM like openbox"
Well, because a lot of things are simplified with DE functionality, and not everyone has the same preferences...
catastrophicblues 2 points 3 years ago
The WM folks can be obnoxious lol. But it comes from a place of passion and love for the ecosystem so it’s not bad.
dustojnikhummer 3 points 3 years ago
I still don't understand why there isn't a terminal-gui (you know, those text but graphical utilities) for basic stuff like mounting a network share. Why do I still need to manually edit fstab?!?
somedaysoon 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 865112 869830, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 4
ttmrichter 5 points 3 years ago
Like wanting to hear "this is the Year of the Linux Desktop" and needing to hear "this is the 27th consecutive Year of the Linux Desktop that failed"?
somedaysoon -3 points 3 years ago path: 0 865112 869830 883402 901532, hotness: undefined, score: -3, children: 2
ttmrichter 3 points 3 years ago
And yet people stay away from it in droves.
Fancy that.
Sounds like someone is hearing what he wants to hear, not what he needs to.
Whisper06 2 points 3 years ago
I do have to vouch for sometimes the command line is easier, not with everything but sometimes. Like my VPN sometimes it’s a little slow on the uptake and finding a server all that nonsense but I can also just have a few taps away at the command line and bing bang boom it’s done.
dustyData 60 points 3 years ago
The ones that make me laugh uncontrollably are those Windows disk encryption issues for which the solution is…wait for it… run Linux from a LiveISO, fix the disk with Linux, then reinstall Windows. Because Windows is incapable of fixing its own issues that it itself caused.
avidamoeba 10 points 3 years ago
As a former computer service technician, we used Ubuntu Live USB and DVDs (yes it was a long ago) a lot.
Gestrid 5 points 3 years ago
I remember something happened to my family's Windows computer once. A system file had gotten corrupted somehow so it could only boot into the repair utility, which, naturally, couldn't repair the file.
The solution I found on Google was to put in the installation disc (I think it was Windows 7?), run the disc at startup (by switching the boot order in the BIOS), and fix it using Command Prompt on the disc.
Windows' own diagnostic tool included with the OS couldn't fix the problem. Only the disc could. It was pretty fortunate we still had that thing. Until then, it had just been sitting there collecting dust.
ttmrichter 2 points 3 years ago
Windows lacking tooling to fix issues caused by its own malfeasance was what made my switch to Linux permanent. I used a LiveCD to fix file system issues that Windows had no tools for unless I wanted to pay thousands for janky third-party tools. Once I did that and recovered most of my lost data, I thought long and hard and just said "fuck it, I'll use Linux".
None of my family will run Linux, however, on my recommendation. I can cope with Linux's ... selective set of user friends. They can't, and I'll be damned if I turn into free tech support.
ColPanic 56 points 3 years ago
No, you don't say "switch to Linux". This is an opportunity to be free from the shackles of being the go-to IT support person! If they say they are having computer problems, ask "Is it Linux? No? Sorry, can't help you"
orbisonitrum 2 points 3 years ago
"Let me Bing that for you"
sgtlighttree 12 points 3 years ago
Or sfc scannow, absolute classic
autokludge 12 points 3 years ago
"Glad you are interested , just follow this simple guide"
MajorHavoc 6 points 3 years ago
Perhaps the real tech support was the friends we installed Linux for along the way.
ttmrichter 42 points 3 years ago
A non-technical end-user once had a problem with Windows. A technical friend said "SWITCH TO LINUX". Now they have thousands of problems.
I've been a non-stop user of Linux as my primary OS since before Ubuntu was a thing. I do not recommend Linux systems to my non-technical friends.
Aggravationstation 12 points 3 years ago
My Aunt bought a new laptop to run her eBay/Facebook selling business on. She's not particularly techy but has used Windows machines for admin work for prob 20 years or so. Laptop had no office apps installed and she tracks everything in a spreadsheet. Original plan was to install Libreoffice but it was running some budget version of Windows 10 you can't install anything on, can't remember what it's called. So I installed Fedora. Chromium and Libreoffice Calc open on login, her ancient HP printer works, she's able to access her camera as USB mass storage when she lists items and unattended upgrades are enabled. That was 2 years ago, no problems since.
ttmrichter 9 points 3 years ago
Cool story, bro. And for every such cool story you can bring up I can bring you a hundred, probably, of people who got set up on Linux and returned to Windows because it was a horror show from their perspective.
Let me give you the clue: "The Year of the Linux Desktop" has been declared with monotonous regularity since the 1990s. It still hasn't arrived. There's a reason for this, and the quicker Linux (and other F/OSS) advocates grasp why this is, the quicker will the year actually arrive.
Until then, Linux is a fringe OS for techies. (And there it excels. As I said, I've been a non-stop user of it for ages.)
Aggravationstation 2 points 3 years ago
I totally agree that can happen. My first experience with Linux was installing Slackware from a CD I got with a magazine at 16. Install worked but I couldn't really do much with it with no internet connection so abandoned it. Also I hosed the Windows partition when trying to set up dual boot so got banned from the family PC for a while.
ttmrichter 1 point 3 years ago
Huh. My first Linux experience was an early Slackware too! And yeah, I tinkered with it (thankfully I had a second computer so I didn't trash my valuable computer) and just stopped using it because it didn't bring anything useful to the table at the time. (I switched to QNX on that computer instead.)
Years later I was a lot more impressed by Linux and made the switch to dual-boot, then finally ditched the Windows side entirely.
Cannacheques 1 point 3 years ago
Mind clarifying?
ttmrichter 1 point 3 years ago
Clarifying what? That Linux is not the choice of non-techies as their primary desktop operating system? I think a quick observation of, you know, desktop computers would settle that in seconds.
slowcurrent 5 points 3 years ago
All you have to do is turn that off and you can install anything you want. You took a simple problem and made it hard.
scutiger 3 points 3 years ago
It sounds like they're talking about the N versions of Windows, which can only install apps through the Microsoft Store. That can be disabled, but my understanding is it's a pain to get it done. It's meant to be locked down kind of like Apple products.
slowcurrent 4 points 3 years ago
It's S mode and it's just a couple buttons.
heimchen 3 points 3 years ago
I don't know how this solution should be hard. I always have a live boot usb(O.K. not Fedora) with me and installing these apps is about 1-2 commands and I really don’t like scrolling through legacy Gui apps.
Aggravationstation 1 point 3 years ago
I couldn't find any way to do it. I also carry a Ventoy USB drive with me everywhere I go with Fedora on it as it's the distro I use so it was the quickest way I could think of to get everything working at the time.
dustojnikhummer 4 points 3 years ago
Windows S can be turned off, but it does require an internet connection.
ghariksforge 10 points 3 years ago
I installed Linux to my tech illiterate parents. They are doing fine. No issues in years.
Dohnakun 9 points 3 years ago
My dad thought the XFCE-Materia-Theme is the occasional Windows redesign until i told him.
And last month he wanted his antivirus back, even though i explained it already. But he's good at other things.
ghariksforge 4 points 3 years ago
I love XFCE because of its retro 90s Win98 look!
hillosipuli 4 points 3 years ago
There is fine line with being tech illiterate and being able to use linux when it all just works. The problems arise only when you are just slightly more advanced and want to do something weird without actually being able do it in linux with some things being a bit too much for the average Joe.
ghariksforge 10 points 3 years ago
The only thing people like my parents need is a functioning browser. I bet %95 of all Windows/Mac users are similar.
rbits 3 points 3 years ago
Yeah that is not true. Microsoft Office is one super commonly used thing, and that doesn't work on Linux.
And before you say, yes there are alternatives to Office. The point is most people definitely need more than a web browser.
DreamlandLividity 2 points 3 years ago
I tried to install I think Ubuntu for my parents. I failed to find a way to properly allow short/simple passwords after like 2 hours of fiddling with configs. Gave up on it after that.
areyouevenreal -5 points 3 years ago
You shouldn't be allowing that to be honest. You also shouldn't be using Ubuntu especially for new users.
DreamlandLividity 7 points 3 years ago
Well, its between allowing that and not using Linux at all so that is that. If I could get them to remeber a strong password, it would not be for PC login.
What distro would you recommend? I was under the impression Ubuntu was furthest with UIs.
AnUnusualRelic 18 points 3 years ago
You gave Ubuntu to your grandmother and she fucking died?
OMG, Linux kills grandmothers!
(I know, I quit Windows around 95, it's just that I couldn't resist)
foggy 7 points 3 years ago
I don't because I don't wanna be that guy.
But in general these days, I'd absolutely recommend it. Anything in the debian family is just as easy to use as windows. As long as you hook them up with some good cron jobs for auto updates and rollbacks on failures and stuff, they'll be right as rain.
To be clear, I wouldn't have in like 2015.
eugenia 4 points 3 years ago
As long as the distro is stable anyone can use it to use a browser and browse the internet. I had put Ubuntu Linux for my mom on a laptop, back in 2010, she was using just the browser. She had it for 2 years, no problems. She did nothing else with that laptop though, because that was the first time she was using a computer. She was mostly facebooking.
Iron_Lynx 37 points 3 years ago
ngl, the "switch to linux" crowd is close to a vibe of complaining that "my car is making some weird sounds" and the response is to "buy a new car!" I mean, it would solve the problem of not having that issue with windows/your car, but it also means you have to intrusively replace your workflow and probably find some entirely new programs to do what you already could, and potentially have many new, less explicable problems, just to not have that one tiny problem that you could live around.
ttmrichter 2 points 3 years ago
"My ISP, the only ISP available where I live, is terrible and unreliable."
"You should move."
That's the "switch to Linux" energy in a nutshell.
Cannacheques 1 point 3 years ago
Yeah nah I think of it kinda like the whole custom ROMs thing for Android. Most people could care less until performance drops to the degree that they have to switch over
Justifier -7 points 3 years ago
Ehh
More like someone saying
"Then change the station"
When someone complains
"I don't like the ads on this radio station that I listen to in my car on the drive home"
There's no financial loss by doing so, it's relatively easy, just have to find out which frequency another broadcast you like is playing on
ttmrichter 5 points 3 years ago
You know, I can't remember the last time that changing the station on my radio required me to sift through thousands of subtly out of date web pages to find clues as to why I just can't hear that one guitar riff.
Helpful_Cat 5 points 3 years ago
Yes but I don't want to listen to country.
Zeus 3 points 3 years ago
depends how much you value your time. if you've nothing to do or just like fucking about with your os in your spare time then sure, linux is free. if you're, say, a freelance graphic designer and actively losing money whilst trying to learn the foibles of a new os, and just fixing the bullshit that win & mac do by default; then it's decidedly not
Zeus 4 points 3 years ago
my dude, i haven't booted into windows in ages. but that proves my exact point: it might save one time if ones workflow involves a lot of tasks that can be scripted. if ones workflow is "launch photoshop; browse the web for inspiration; draw for a bit; close photoshop.", it won't save any time. especially due to the hassle of getting photoshop working, or learning a new app like gimp or krita.
Cannacheques -1 points 3 years ago
Dude, if this is about the windows tablets, newsflash, they suck.
ttmrichter 0 points 3 years ago
Linux is free if you don't value your time.
dustojnikhummer 3 points 3 years ago
To be fair Windows often loves to throw rocks under your feet.
Cannacheques 2 points 3 years ago
Linux is free, if you can be bothered learning how to drive again. It's like driving a manual when everyone else has an auto
ttmrichter 1 point 3 years ago
It's like driving a manual. When everybody else is using an EV and doesn't even know what "gears" are.
atamblingpoder 34 points 3 years ago
Well... I jokingly told my friend to switch to Linux - that guy switched and I can attest to it that he is much happier now 😁
PolarisFx 34 points 3 years ago
I love Linux, but it's my job. When I go home I just want the simplicity of Windows. Thanks to tons of useless certifications it does exactly what I tell it to do.
When family wants a new OS install I don't suggest Linux or even mention it's existence. They get a version of Windows 10 with the bloat ripped out and the inability to upgrade to Windows 11. 90% of tech support calls have been stopped.
What friends I have attempted to convert usually go back to Windows due to Nvidia driver issues but as we move forward and gaming becomes less of a hurdle maybe we'll see more converts. Especially if Windows keeps pushing their whole cloud OS thing.
Stillhart 31 points 3 years ago
Okay, I'll bite. I've been trying Linux every few years for the last few decades and it's never been anywhere close to replacing Windows for me. I'm not a luddite; I was in tech for many years (MCSE certified) but there just... ALWAYS something that doesn't work right. And there's NEVER a simple fix. Linux for me ends up being more of a hobby than a tool and I haven't had the time or patience to deal with it in the past.
But I'm willing to try again,
Anyone have any resources to get me pointed in the right direction? Which distro to try, how to install as a dual-boot on an exiting Windows machine without breaking it, how to get Steam/Nvidia drivers/games going, etc?
EDIT - Apparently trying to dual boot with Windows on a machine with two physical drives is too much to ask (unless you have a CS degree). Maybe next time, Linux.
rbits 3 points 3 years ago
Yeah right. I tried Linux Mint, and I had so many problems I had to switch to KDE Neon. Admittedly like half of them were related to Nvidia, but lots of people have Nvidia.
Even if I'm an outlier, I don't think you understand what foolproof means. Maybe you set if up for them and they've never had to touch it, but most people don't have that luxury, and also will probably need to touch it at some point.
Cannacheques 1 point 3 years ago
Stuff KDE man, use xfce, only thing KDE would be good for is the telly
Marxine 1 point 3 years ago
I've never used it with a Nvidia card, was speaking mostly about mine and my family's experience. I don't currently know the state of Nvidia support on Mint at this moment, whether with the proprietary or open source drivers, so can't give you any info on that.
About being foolproof, it's about being easy to use without having many footguns, not about being bug free.
radioactiveradio 10 points 3 years ago
Can you use windows software on Mac or Android? It's a different OS, tho wine and proton can make Photoshop and Lightroom work, it's hit or miss tho. Most games work too save anti-cheat ones for some reason.
Marxine 1 point 3 years ago
Gaming through Steam/Proton is easy and performant, but some games have invasive anti-cheat that won't work on Linux, and some game companies turn Linux support purposely off.
Photoshop and Lightroom both probably work through Wine (or maybe even Proton), but it isn't guaranteed. Best option is to work with alternatives. I switched from PS to Krita years ago and have been happier than ever with the switch.
There are many resources on Linux software that are alternatives (and often compatible with) windows-only software.
Spiracle 7 points 3 years ago
Doesn’t even have to be a "class of idiots". It would be enough if stuff didn’t just sometimes break, seemingly randomly. (It’s not quite random, obviously.)
Recent example: I had OpenSuse TW recommended because of its reliability. First tip: install codecs, which requires adding the Packman repository. Now, simply updating threw up errors several times because Packman and the other repositories are apparently not in sync, and some dependencies would break if I updated. (Waiting a few days "fixed" it, but still shouldn’t happen.)
Depending on which update method you use (Yast/Discovery/zypper/update widget) you get different error messages, most of which are not informative. This is for an established distribution known for its reliability, and this alone would keep me from ever recommending it to normal users, even moderately tech-savvy ones.
Things are getting better, but I’m still shopping around for a distro that just works. Perhaps that new Fedora version, or one of the immutable ones, now that they are getting popular.
Archangelz_93 26 points 3 years ago
I have linux at work. Colleagues use windows. They always tell me to change back to windows when I en ounter problem. I won't install spyware.
nyternic 25 points 3 years ago
As someone who has had been around Linux-based people and whenever I have had a single gripe about Windows - it's this.
I don't have a hate boner with Linux, I just feel like Linux is a little too much for the average casual user. Everything is fine until they run into a single issue with Linux, if the bewilderment of not having their familiar easy to run programs that they had on Windows wasn't a turn off for them from the get-go.
Grass 21 points 3 years ago
I have almost my whole family on opensuse tumbleweed and even my mom can hit the update button in the notification panel. One brother on arch and the other on windows. Guess which computer I'm reluctant to touch even with gloves on. And it has nothing to do with the operating system, it's genuinely disgusting.
c0mbatbag3l 11 points 3 years ago
Arch be in them context clues.
ShadedCosmos 21 points 3 years ago
Bird 1: I have some trouble with Linux.
Bird 2: Whistles and flies off…
psycrow 23 points 3 years ago
No, bird 2 then screams at bird 1 for using Ubuntu and recommends distro that will totally work and is totally easy to use despite the lack of documentation. It's then bird 1's fault if they can't get their niche hipster distro to work.
psycrow 4 points 3 years ago
The hardest part is that the solution is often: Use subpar *buntu based distro for a month or 2 then get good enough to use Arch or something based off of it.
I'm really hoping that valve's public release of Arch based Steam OS is good enough that I can just recommend that to people.
Cannacheques 1 point 3 years ago
How would you say arch is for software support vs Ubuntu?
Wahots 21 points 3 years ago
Every time I try Linux on my own, it's fine. But God forbid I ever use any device that comes with Linux pre-installed, and I'm cursed. I'm on my third steam deck after it software bricked itself, and our university Linux server is so unstable that it disconnects my session with vim every 30 minutes or so. Pain. At least there's a method to the madness: trust nobody but myself :P
ojmcelderry 21 points 3 years ago
Screen and tmux are your friends in this situation. They can keep your vim session alive when your SSH connection drops, so you can reconnect and continue where you left off.
plumbercraic 3 points 3 years ago
Screen change my relationship with linux. Amazing tool (once you disable vbell)
Linssiili 1 point 3 years ago
I'm using Byobu, which is (apparently) a wrapper for screen and tmux, providing things like sensible hotkeys (F2 new tab, ctrl+F2 vertical split etc).
Granted, I haven't used regular screen or tmux, so I'm not sure what they have compared to byobu. Someone just said to use it, and I never went back.
cashews_best_nut 19 points 3 years ago
Have you tried using Mosh? It's the "Mobile Shell" which was built to survive the dodgey connections of WiFi, mobile/cell and long distance SSH connections. Well worth a look if you're having problems with a disconnecting shell.
It's available on all versions of Linux, iOS, Mac and Android.
Wahots 2 points 3 years ago
Yeah, the first one was DOA, the second (in the most amazing of ironies) started downloading an update by itself, which dropped my game down to 10fps. When I restarted the deck and the update applied, it corrupted everything so badly that even the BIOS wasn't left intact. Nothing I did or valve support could do could bring it back, even with reflashing the OS. And while I might be a moron, I've also been building/watercooling PCs and tinkering with OSs for well over a decade. That deck was bone stock and on stable channel xD
I'm on my third one now, and so far it's been smooth sailing...mostly. I still haven't put a screen protector on it, because I think that jinxed my last two, lmao. Thank God everything is backed up.
dustojnikhummer 2 points 3 years ago
You are one unlocky SOB. The worst I have had is SteamOS breaking itself on me once.
Cannacheques 1 point 3 years ago
Hey I had an old Samsung I bricked and unbricked at least four times once
avidamoeba 19 points 3 years ago
Really though, switch to Linux.
setInner234 8 points 3 years ago
Unfortunately that's the only reasonable advice. Did it myself a few years ago and it was painful for like 3 months and now having to use corporate BS à la Apple / Microsoft seems bafflingly limiting and counter intuitive to me.
dustojnikhummer 1 point 3 years ago
For my servers, already done. For my daily driver? Hell no.
Tekchip 19 points 3 years ago
Windows sucks but no one seems to realize this because they're too comfortable with how they fix, or work around, the broken stuff repetitively. The repetitiveness of the bad experience becomes "normal" so nothing is amiss. It being broken is "normal" so in their eyes it "just works"TM. It's almost like a form of brain washing.
It really is akin to people in domestic abuse situations who are just so numb to it they aren't motivated to get out.
Maybe we should be taking a book from domestic abuse counseling or something?
astral_avocado 18 points 3 years ago
Unfortunately I've definitely been the raven at least once.
jeansibelius 18 points 3 years ago
After I installed Linux on all my family laptops all OS problems was "surprisingly" desapeared.
RCKLSSBNDN 11 points 3 years ago
I can only imagine the shit show that would commence if I put Linux on my mom's laptop
Mom sms: It's asking for permissions again, I forgot my password!
Me: It's in the notebook, mom.
Mom: I can't find the notebook!
Me: Last I saw it, it was on the coffee table.
Mom: Found it!
...
Mom: It doesn't work!
Me: Are you looking at the brown notebook or the pink one?
Mom: Yes!
Me: Yes what? Are you in?
Mom: Yes, I have a notebook and the password doesn't work!
Repeat forever.
areyouevenreal 3 points 3 years ago
You could disable admin password. I know you can do it for sudo by editing sudeors file, so there must be a way to do it for graphical prompts too.
dustojnikhummer 1 point 3 years ago
I mean live ISOs don't have login passwords so it must be doable for a full install
UnverifiedAPK 10 points 3 years ago
"How do I connect to my printer?"
jeansibelius 1 point 3 years ago
Cups
avidamoeba 3 points 3 years ago
Like magic.
samsy 18 points 3 years ago
First time I agree with the Raven. Switch to Linux!!! Windows is just a shitshow, we all watch and can't believe they are doing this. Win 11 will bring us one of the biggest hardware-waste ever in a world where we should spare with resources.
But hey, throw that 4GB RAM machine in the trash bin everyone wants Win11. So glossy and shiny, so hot right now.
christian 17 points 3 years ago
It's not coming completely out of nowhere. The fact that you're having a discussion on Lemmy means the people you're conversing with are aware that you're willing to consider libre alternatives to shitty mainstream tech.
RisingSwell 6 points 3 years ago
Reddit fucked it a lot harder than Windows has though, Windows might do annoying stuff but it does work and I don't need like, a Windows is fun app to make it do what I want it to. Mostly.
MajorHavoc 5 points 3 years ago
Right. Yes. I limit this behavior to Lemmy. And definitely not unprompted at random social gatherings.
necrxfagivs 17 points 3 years ago
Of course I know him, that's me!
gunpachi 14 points 3 years ago
I used to suggest linux to my friends and family but i stopped doing that as i found none of them actually cared what OS they ran. They also have a misunderstanding that Linux is very complex and difficult to use.
DeadGemini 7 points 3 years ago
I've virtually given up on suggesting anyone do anything lol. Nobody ever wants to learn anything new. Old dog, new tricks, but the old dogs in my life are only like fucking 30 years old lol.
TORFdot0 13 points 3 years ago
Yeah not a very big fan of trying to get people to switch platforms especially if they are non-technical as if they A) have the mental bandwidth to change their whole workflow paradigm to appease someone else’s ideals, and B) even have a use case where Linux is an option
Anyone’s negative feelings for Windows and Office’s telemetry or Apple’s walled garden is justified but if I do know what Linux is, I didn’t decide to use Windows because I wanted to lick bill gates’ boots, I have a specific use case. And if I don’t know what it is, I probably need the OOB usability that Windows and OSX offer
Cannacheques 1 point 3 years ago
No it's simple, if everyone is using Windows for engineering software, making everyone switch to Linux is going to have to involve a whole group, if you're one person, you've got very little incentive to change your whole workflow
faladorable 13 points 3 years ago
I did. But then I just ended up having to google how to fix linux issues nonstop so I switched back
PillowTalk420 13 points 3 years ago
Why? So I can have more trouble? :P
jesterraiin 11 points 3 years ago
Replace some troubles, with different troubles. Brilliant, as usual...
cupcakezealot 11 points 3 years ago
Try turning it off and on again and then try switching to Linux.
oscar_falke 10 points 3 years ago
Most birds have trouble with windows. Especially when they are polished and super shiny
itsJoelleScott 10 points 3 years ago
God bless, it happens in the other direction too.
stardustsystem 9 points 3 years ago
Where did you get this picture of me?
jeansibelius 1 point 3 years ago
It actually works
magnolia_mayhem 8 points 3 years ago
Oh, I'm sorry. Is there supposed to be some kind of joke here??? This strikes me as perfectly reasonable!
xan1242 1 point 3 years ago
True. Ubuntu was certainly matched and even surpassed in these areas. But you'll always have people who are like "just switch to this XY distro they don't have that problem" who are just as loud lol
Cannacheques 1 point 3 years ago
Yet to try this
dustojnikhummer 1 point 3 years ago
Not really smoother, but on Proton it's a hell of a lot more stable than Windows lol
vardogor 1 point 3 years ago
at least for me, smoother for sure too. i remember lots of stuttering on windows even with tick fix etc. but out of all my mods, i've only not been able to get one to work on proton, the ENB (and yeah i have dll overrides)... :(
bxyrk 1 point 3 years ago
I've played nv on Linux install without issue! That was def fun. My guilty pleasure is 76, I've had a good group on there and we enjoy it. My old hand me down desktop I had to keep a box fan blowing on it because the graphics card would overheat and freeze the PC when playing ANY game. Finally got tired of that jank and moved my SSDs to a small form factor PC that runs absolutely great and I've got a sff graphics card in my plans. It won't be fancy, but it'll be waaaaay better than the 3 and a half foot tall gaming PC I was using that was constantly overheating. I don't have the disposable $ to just get a new setup but I've always been decent at making something work way better than not having anything.
c0mbatbag3l 4 points 3 years ago
If you have fallout on steam it should be compatible through proton, and it'll probably run better on your Linux install.
Cannacheques 1 point 3 years ago
Neat
fossilesque 7 points 3 years ago
Mfw I hit the limit of Windows pathing.
fossilesque 2 points 3 years ago
Me too.
Smokeydope 12 points 3 years ago
Please try linux mint, it truly is an exellent and nearly bullet proof OS. Pretty much the most popular distro so theres a good chance if you ever do run into an issue or want to know something its not hard to find the info you need with a simple query. No driver jankiness or hardware support issues ive ever experienced either.
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Smokeydope 1 point 3 years ago
Mints cinnamon desktop environment is very different to Plasma KDE. You may find it more pleasant to use. What are you unhappy about with your current distro and what makes you want to move back to windows
Cannacheques 1 point 3 years ago
Maybe I'm an old dog now, but the new GNOME and KDE desktops kind of grate on me just like the new Win10 does
dustojnikhummer 1 point 3 years ago
No need to fully distrohop, just install Cinnamon
edgarde 1 point 3 years ago
Seconding Linux Mint for transitioning Windows users, especially with the Cinnamon DE. They'll wonder why they ever hesitated.
Reliant1087 5 points 3 years ago
I would suggest Fedora KDE spin or Opensuse. Both have KDE as first class citizen.
Reliant1087 2 points 3 years ago
True but I would go with Mate, Budgie or XFCE because I'm an old fashioned guy :) The new (now it's old I guess) gnome philosophy hasn't made a lot of sense to me on a non-touch device.
Cannacheques 2 points 3 years ago
Exactly, it feels gimmicky as hell and barely workable when you need to start dealing with more than one ahem, window or boxes of stuff to look at
TinyLightShow 6 points 3 years ago
I would love to switch completely to Linux, but the Engineering software I use is specific to Windows and their certified drivers (Solidworks). However, my home computer may get the switch sooner than later! I love how well SteamOS works and now I want it on my main machine.
RocketRacoon 5 points 3 years ago
I use macOS for Work, Linux for Personal stuff, Windows for Gaming. I still prefer Linux to anything. It's lightweight, FOSS, privacy respecting and fast. I have mint installed on my 11 yo laptop, and it still kicks like a warhorse during web development.
curiousaur 7 points 3 years ago
You know ChromeOS is Linux, right? It's super easy to put a different distro on. You're totally up for it, a few hours max and you're good to go.
areyouevenreal 2 points 3 years ago
How do you do this? When I was putting Linux on Chromebook you had to do firmware mods that entailed taking the laptop apart to get it to work properly.
curiousaur 2 points 3 years ago
Yeah, some have a screw that turns off the firmware lock.
Cannacheques 1 point 3 years ago
Needs a special key for the screw does it?
MartinXYZ 1 point 3 years ago
Really? I have a somewhat (six years) old Acer chromebook, and I had to flash a custom bios on it to install Linux. It wasn't terribly hard, and the guides on the internet were really good. It still took a couple of hours, but it wasn't as easy as installing Linux on a Windows machine... That may have changed since then (two years ago) but it was a learning experience and I personally enjoyed tinkering and getting it all installed. I now have a Chromebook running EndeavourOS.
jordanlund 4 points 3 years ago
I bought a Steam Deck and got Win 11 up and running on an external SSD just to piss off the raven. :)
The fact is that certain things require Windows, and yeah, you might be able to jump through some hoops to get them to kinda/sorta run under Linux, but if you have a hard time with Windows, you'll never be able to do that in Linux.
Hazdaz 3 points 3 years ago
Mass acceptance on the desktop will never happen for Linux and the Linux community itself is mostly the problem. For the same reason why open source software, for the most part, is just so god awful (with a few fantastic examples). It is software written by developers, for developers with little consideration for users. It tends to be clunky and counterintuitive.
InvaderDJ 2 points 3 years ago
A tale as old as time.
I remember back in the early 2000s when I first got into IT. My manager at Burger King was one of those Linux guys and he tried to get me to install Gentoo. And his status message in MSN Messenger (probably used Pidgin too) was “In a world without windows, who needs Gates?”
I think this has mostly died down with PCs becoming less common than phones.
AndreyAsimow 1 point 3 years ago
Also mention that you use Arch
Wrongleverkrunk 1 point 3 years ago
Pop os wolnt let me use my gpu so there's that
areyouevenreal 7 points 3 years ago
Those all involve Microsoft products for running Linux within Windows. Please think before you type...
ThePlagueDoctor 6 points 3 years ago
well, i'd love to switch but not everything i want to play / use is on linux. and honestly- i can't be bothered to use 2 different OS. will switch once everything i use is available tho.
ryncewynd 0 points 3 years ago
2022 and 2023 I made multiple decent attempts to go Linux and I've finally ragequit back to Windows where things finally just work. Currently using WSL for my Linux needs.
So many frustrating hours.
- Unresolvable sound issues
- Multi monitor issues
- Size scaling issues
- Couldn't get my games working even for Gold rated proton games
- Don't think I ever got nvidia drivers working correctly
- Really struggled on some distros to find the correct packages for some things because they were named differently?
- Couldn't find how to set a desktop background that filled my entire screen in Gnome. It kept repeating to fill the screen instead of just "zooming"
- Got 100% CPU usage in KDE just doing nothing
- Didn't even want to start figuring how to run my Windows-only apps because by that time I was a bundle of stress and just wanted to use my pc without fighting it every step
Conclusion for me: Windows is best DE, so use Windows+WSL
I'm a bit sad about it because I'm getting more and more frustrated with Windows 11 direction. It seems each update brings a new configuration or "feature" that makes things more difficult for me.
I do feel I am being pushed out of Windows.
For about the last 10 years I try going Linux roughly every 3 years. So I'll give it another shot in a couple of years.
I fully understand for some people it just works. But it is not yet my personal Year Of Linux Desktop
pkru 2 points 3 years ago
I'm sorry to hear that you've had a poor experience with trying to migrate to Linux. It is a big switch in terms of how the OS is structured and how things work. Unfortunately the out of box experience of Linux on personal laptops and desktops can be quite poor for commonly recommended distros like Ubuntu especially if you want to game.
This might be contentious with some people but if you or anyone is feeling adventurous and in the mood to try to understand how Linux works, I would recommend Arch. It gives you the reins to setup and configure your system how you wish. I would however try it in a VM first before going dual boot or as your sole driver.
I've tried many Linux distros over the years (Mint, Ubuntu, Centos, etc) but Arch has been the most stable and enjoyable to use. I have one install from 2013 that's still going strong. Nvidia drivers or Steam can be installed without setting up PPAs or downloading binaries as one might need to do on other Linux distros. Most third party apps I would want are available through the Arch User Repository (AUR). The Arch wiki is amazingly useful for any Linux user.
Most games I play work through Steam or Lutris with the latest Proton from https://github.com/...
ryncewynd 2 points 3 years ago
Thanks for your reply.
I've heard many people mentioning EndevourOS and I think that's based on Arch?
EndevourOS was top of my list to try next time I'm willing to give Linux another shot.
The most interesting distro I tried was MicroOS (opensuse immutable). I really liked the immutable concept, keeping the base OS clean and mess around inside containers. Very cool
pkru 1 point 3 years ago
I haven't heard anything bad about Endeavor in the same way people slam Manjaro for their poor management of an Arch based distro. It'd be worth a shot I think. Rolling release distros like Arch can provide a very nice up-to-date user experience vs major releases, which I have never had much luck with on Linux.
I've never heard ofMicroOS, but have heard of OpenSUSE. It sounds like it would be useful for servers and maybe if you want to do some software development where you'd want to use containers for building and running your app. I'll have to check it out.
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