Jeepers, that’s dark, Boss.

Why is your name in red? OP is blue, what's red?
(Using Voyager)

And, on the flip side, there's also their total blindness to many examples of old Trek being decidedly unsubtle. They just will not address those, because to do so would completely undermine their point—and they're not interested in the truth, really. They just want their anger.

I don't know how someone can be a Star Trek fan and not get it. It's an attitude diametrically opposed to the core spirit of the franchise. How do these people enjoy a show about exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and new civilizations, but they can't stand the presence of different humans?

TBH, I initially had a strange reaction to Discovery. It seemed to me like it was virtue-signalling and pandering to an audience to increase viewership or profit. Similar to how you sometimes see fake stock-photos of a business where they contains exactly one person from every ethnicity. I think the word I'm thinking of is "tokenism." I still watched it for a couple seasons, and it was decent. I didn't really realize at the time how prevalent and dangerous bigotry still was in the U.S.. Now I think it's probably good some shows and movies over-represent minorities.

The one argument that Star Trek has gone woke I agree with is that the characters are all tripping over themselves to make make Tilly captain despite her obvious incompetence for that position. Contrast that with Barkley who everyone recognized needed self improvement to progress.

Otherwise I totally agree. Star Trek has always been progressive when it comes to race, religion, etc.

Current trek (anything after enterprise) has horrible story lines, horrible dialogue, is mostly about dump action pew pew and CGI, ignores 50 years of history, is all about fuck this, fuck that and fucking fuck you and honestly: it isn’t woke: it’s only virtue signalling.

To claim that all iterations of modern Trek are a homogenous unit cut from one singular cloth tells me that either you haven't actually even attempted to watch even half of it, or you're completely blinded by personal biases. Either way, your opinion would be easy to discard even if it wasn't a rant only tangentially related to the original post.

Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks have been pretty good at scratching the classic itch I think. But yeah I do agree that picard and discovery suffer from a problem that a lot of Marvel and DC comics these days suffer from. They dont slow down and spend every arc going from a threat THAT WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING to another threat that WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING. So many universe ending events.

I agree. StarTrek was always woke in the truest sense of the word. In my opinion the new shows are just not good - Neither as StarTrek nor as general entertainment. Except for maybe Strange New Worlds which certainly has shown some potential.

Yeah, there's a difference between a well written stories that take on social issues and really breaks down the ethics of them in an interesting and entertaining way and a poorly written story that's trying to do something vaguely similar and completely fails to accomplish anything other than just mentioning that social issues exist.

It's a weird feeling where I agree with what they're trying to do but it's so painful to watch them constantly fail.

A bad thing about the anti-woke thing is it's hard to criticize things that have good intentions but have bad execution without being lumped in with the assholes. And I feel like poor writing won't improve when there's that excuse of "well they're just hateful anti-woke assholes" to fall back on.

Yeah I quickly started hating Discovery and Picard. "Not my Star Trek" lol, they had to make it like grimdark and postmodernist.

What is REALLY good is Lower Decks though. Absolutely brilliant even though it's a cartoon comedy it feels like TNG.

what does this have to do with the meme or are you just kinda doin your own thing over here

/agree. Well said.

Current trek seems to ignore the origional 'meta' of Star Trek, until the ratings are so bad that they overly backpedal and turn it into poor fan service. And because of that, it tells poorly written stories.

Well said. I don't think new Trek has been too "woke" (whatever that means because no one can define it). The only one that was over the top was that kid who was non-Trill that had a symbiont. For being in the 31st century (or whatever) they focused too much on his they/them nonsense. You're not suppose to mention it. When you make a thing of it, it doesn't come across as normal. That's like TOS making a big deal of a black woman working on the bridge. Sure, in reality it was a big deal at the time, but being set in the 23rd century it should be normal by then.

New Trek sucks for all the reasons you said. God awful writing, poor dialog, and plenty of bad actors. No character development. I can only remember a few characters names from Discovery. The rest I just physically describe: chick with metal on half of face, robot chick, darked haired guy and blonde chick who stood in the back of the bridge sometimes, and chick with African name.

I only continued to watch it for Stamets (after he chilled out), Saru, and Georgiou.

The Sandman is such a hilarious example of something to get upset about being too woke, too. "This adaptation of a comic written that featured gender fluid characters in 1989 has been corrupted by the woke mob!"

Brain worms.

It is.

It is top of my list of wanted features.

Why even have gay humans? I thought the sexy point of sexy star trek sex was interspecies sex? Remember when Trip got pregnant? Riker boned the 3 fingered mitten hand doctor after he was captured? Troy and Crusher both got mind raped! Even data has sex! See, no need for this silly human on human stuff.

I read the Mary Sue link you provided but I can't figure out what character you're suggesting is "portrayed as inexplicably competent across all domains, unrealistically free of weaknesses, extremely attractive, innately virtuous, and generally lacking meaningful character flaws." (from your link).

I agree about the timeline stuff and also that the LGBT representation was excellently done and not any character's "superpower" or anything.

(Also the official initialism for Disco is "DSC" (or "DIS" on Memory Alpha) but never "STD")

Honestly, agree.

They had a black woman as a high ranking officer on the bridge in the 60s.

Who said you can’t critique Disco?

This is about a very specific, very silly objection, levelled by people who have found themselves indoctrinated into a mode of thinking that alienates them from the people around them, because of a manufactured fear preying upon alienation many of us experience in our modern world.

I’ve had plenty of objections to aspects of Disco, especially during season two, but scattered throughout the series, and no one has ever called me a bigot for my hot takes. If you’re presenting your critiques in such a way that people are assuming you’re bigoted, perhaps you should reevaluate how you’re constructing your criticism.

It's definitely true that some people with legitimate criticisms get misread, but I think it's inaccurate to say that it's "a lot more common" to see legitimate criticism construed as bigotry than actual bigotry.

Just look at this thread, there are a bunch of people whining about queer characters being forced in your face just for being a part of the show. The bigoted fans come out in force with talk of "STD" (ugh) all the time, which is what created that expectation in the first place.

I feel like dismissing all the bigotry out there (including in this very thread) as "it's just the internet" while dwelling on a few dumb comments you read in the past (probably on the Internet?) is disingenuous.

Lmao first interracial kiss, champion of non-binary, trans, and gay people for the super obvious if you used two or more brain cells when watching metaphor characters sprinkled all over the seasons.

Sure, go ahead and say this hasn't always been star trek.

This is like people who think Starship Trooper is a Gung-go military action thriller... I'd ask if you'd like to know more, but if you did, you wouldn't be this dumb.

If the story is bad it's because of bad writing.

I'm sure that you feel like you're saying something very profound, but for most people that's just gibberish.

I'm sorry... It must be hard living with condition like this.

Please provide an example of when this has happened so we can notify the appropriate parties and get them to ease up for you.

Nobody is doing that. Literally nobody is writing those scripts, you just view them as "woke" because suddenly the hero isn't male, or white. Pretend die hard doesn't exist, If you were to write die hard exactly as it's on the script but McClain is a woman, is that woke?

Why is it that when a woman or person of color gets even close to a leading role, suddenly it's called "woke"

Have you spoken to a therapist about getting past your own insecurities?

Let That Be Your Last Battlefield wasn't that bad.