I feel like Bandcamp's biggest fans are prolific pirates with a conscience who just want to see their favorite artists actually get paid.
EDIT: Don't forget it's Bandcamp Friday today.
I feel like Bandcamp's biggest fans are prolific pirates with a conscience who just want to see their favorite artists actually get paid.
EDIT: Don't forget it's Bandcamp Friday today.
bandcamp sold out
look forward to its demise
Audius.co
I never stopped either, but i buy vinyl..slowed down since my turntable only spins at 33.3 in special occasions when the spirits shine upon it.
Belt driven? May need new belt.
Its a technics DD. I think its a mk 2 or 3 model. When its off its consistently off. Like it still locks into a speed its just the wrong speed.
I think its an electrical issue and im too afraid to take it apart while it still works sometimes. I probably couldnt fix anyway
That could be simple to fix. I bought a used SL-1500 which had the issue that it’d only spin at 33rpm. 45rpm didn’t work. I opened it up and with some tuner spray I washed the switch (spraying it, switching it back and forth). Now as good as new. These things are built like tanks
Oh yeah that's way out of my wheelhouse too lol. Hopefully someone online has or posts a video on fixing it (or at least a similar table with the same issue)!
TiVo has entered the chat.
TiVo was an early digital video recorder that dominated the market for a while. Broadcasters brought lawsuits against the company saying the recording of videos was violating copyright laws, and advertisers hated it because you could skip commercials. TiVo argued in court that they weren’t pirating, but just time shifting the content. Similar arguments were used for people who ripped rented dvds and so on.
They really went hard on VCRs before all of that for the same reasons. Fortunately the time shifting argument was able to be backed by the courts. Otherwise TiVo and so many other formats would've basically been banned from the general public being able to have anything nice. Was especially important rulings for forcing most content providers and/or studios into using new ideas and technologies. They are the ones that hold back on everything that could actually make it easier to legally enjoy content.
They make things require so many hoops to go through and like a punishment for wanting to enjoy anything legally. While also making it cost more on their end overall. If these companies were to embrace stuff like torrenting tech, then it would mean less overall costs needed to always be running. We have so many ways of getting stuff from here to there and making sure media is not lost. Copyrights should at best last like 10 years imo. These companies still can't even be bothered to allow me to buy movies and shows digitally that maybe got a DVD release. So if they won't give options, then they forfeit the right to claim any "damages" or "lost sales."
I WISH I COULD HEAR YA OVER THESE HERE BANGING TUNES! 🏴☠️
But are they lossless 96kHz+? Only reason I use qobuz.
Hopefully it's Kbps, otherwise...
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Tidal? You can even download all your music in lossless flac format
Honestly the most complete source of high res music is private trackers like redacted. You can download all the stuff from qobuz and bandcamp, every CD rip you can think of in bit perfect quality of and even very good vinyl rips. You basically can download any version ever released from any album.
The majority of those visits were to sites that allow users to download the audio from YouTube URLs.
This is not piracy. We've always been allowed to record e.g. radio and TV for personal use.
I think the RIAA has a different view on that. Huge push backs against recordable cassettes and VHS tapes when they were introduced.
They def would've done radio drm if possible
The Netherlands had a tax on blank CDs to "compensate" authors, essentially legalizing piracy (until the EU changed the rules).
My dad always got a huge kick out of VHSing NFL games to watch later lol.
I used to do lots of piracy back in the days. I am so glad those days are behind me and have not been big on the scene. What would be some sites to avoid to not fall in the trap of being a criminal. I love giving companies all of my money and do not ever want to go back to my old ways. Please help me with a nice list of things to avoid.
You totally don't want to just learn Linux command line and how to use the youtube-dl/yt-dlp packages through WSL or a Linux distro, that would deny corporations all of your money and be way too convenient. Thankfully it's not intuitive to learn or there would be so much more piracy!
You want a good paid VPN first. Mullvad is amazing.
VPNs see everything you do, and you pay them for it. I don't understand how people don't see the irony there.
Could you say how Mullvad differs from ProtonVPN? I have it with my mail subscription and it seems pretty good. I don't know much about vpns though
I know this does not make me look good - but I am a YouTube Premium subscriber. I had Spotify, but they jacked up their family plan rate, and it was only a few bucks cheaper than Premium, then I got the ad-free (without adblockers). I mostly did it to help my kids avoid the toxic ads that are littered into the kid content. The main reason I stick with some of this stuff is for the discovery. Pandora was great, Spotify is ok.
Regardless - the smart playlists, and AI stuff on YouTube music is AWFUL. I cannot put into words how bad it is. Spotify got it right about 1/4-1/2 of the time. YouTube, maybe 1/100. Constantly recommending a country, which I cannot stand. When it isn't doing country, it recommends hard rock/metal which I also do not listen to. I feel like I need a new way to find music, then I could sever ties with all these trashy subscriptions.
I have started buying vinyl with the digital downloads when I find a great album. I feel better doing it this way. Most of my music is not super big name artists.
That surprises me, but I suppose it had to work for some listeners or they wouldn't have gotten it past testing. I have even tried clearing my listen history and starting over - still comes up with country and (going to clarify) 'metal' . I like rock and alternative and some forms of pop, as well as a bit of hip hop. cannot fathom why it suggests what it does.
Every time. I am not sure it actually changes anything. I have submitted feedback and bug reports to YTM as well. Just generic replies.
I never thumbs up or down and I find the recommended albums and "Mixed for your" playlists are pretty accurate. I hate that my grandfathered price went up last December tho
Soulseek if you don't mind data hoarding.
I have yt premium for the same reason. Toddlers have little patience for ads on their Kindle fire, and they get upset when they click one to buy a luxury watch and can't figure out how to get back to cocomelon.
I actually like the service and feel it's fairly priced. So I don't mind paying for it. I stream yt music all day at work.
Same boat here. My God it's unbearable how bad YouTube premium is.
I get good value out of it...
.....That being said, I curate my own feed heavily, and still have to use a ton of add-ons to keep from going insane - fuck your shorts YouTube.
It is admittedly terrible.
I still havent found anything can match the experience of finding music from online discussions or list hopping on RYM.
What is rym?
I want to counter that buying individual songs and albums would get too expensive compared to streaming, but then I realized I've been listening to the same set of playlists in the past few years and the total cost of streaming subscription in those period is probably more than enough to buy those songs.
Heh. I never thought about it this way. I just need to finish downloading my Spotify playlists I guess, then plexamp l the way
Assuming each of those tracks is about 3.5 min long, that's about 250 hours of music. Given your numbers they paid an average of 7 bucks per hour of music.
For context, 25 years ago a typical 45 minute album would fetch 15 bucks. And that's not accounting for inflation adjustment.
I'm sure that's totally sustainable for those artists...
I think he is talking about this
The majority of those visits were to sites that allow users to download the audio from YouTube URLs.
Or Nicotine+ (a great Soulseek client)
What are the two things?
It's a direct p2p connection to a single user for downloads. It's not swarm style like bittorrent. It's also a great resource for really rare / out of print stuff.
I used it without a vpn for years and never got a single nastygram from my ISP. I think I started with a beta release back around 2000 because I used to be cool like that.
The Napster has you, Neo
A few notes:
Own music, do not rent.
I'm buying CDs from smaller labels directly. Cheaper than Scamazon sometimes. A couple examples: https://metalblade.indiemerch.com/collections/cds https://metalonmetalrecords.com/shop/
My library has loaned me many CDs over the years. I still have an external CD burner I can connect to my PC. Thank you, library.
Used media stores are awesome. Give them your business.
ETA: Corrected link to Metal On Metal records shop.
Give me lidarr but with a smart daily generated playlist focus instead of collecting artist discographies
Yeah. I want a self-hosted Pandora alternative
Plex's specialty audio client Plexamp is pretty good if you want to make your own "radio stations." And if you have a Plex Pass, the server does "sonic analysis" of each track so it can do a good job of playing related music in its smart playlists.
Of course, Plex Pass ain't free, but if you are in it for the long haul the lifetime purchase may be worth it.
(Everyone's worried about Plex's future right now but I would be surprised if they killed self-hosting. That's another topic though.)
There’s a federated platform called Funkwhale that’s very similar to that.
I think last.fm might still exist. I just used it for the 'scrobbling' — stats way before Spotify Wrapped was a thing
Is t it funny how this seems to be happening in every industry possible? And it’s always reported with sUcH sURpRisE!
Like, we are being abused by capitalists. It feels good to steal. Because they can’t stop taking more and more from us, squeezing us harder and harder.
When you present us with ease of use and a reasonable price point, we are happy with the trade. But they need their returns to keep growing, so they keep squeezing us harder. Their investors demand the line go up. So they squeeze us harder. They need to cut costs, so they squeeze us harder.
It never stops. So we turn to theft. Because they’ve literally left us no choice.
To be fair we’ve never had more choice, and music has almost never been more affordable. We used to buy singles for like $10+. Albums for $20+. Now there are several competing streaming services where we can listen to almost unlimited music each month for less than the cost of one album. Hell, YouTube Premium includes unlimited music steaming for free. Being an independent artist has never been easier, and you can find and pay for any music you like directly with millions of your favourite artists all over the world. The industry used to be entirely controlled by large labels. Honestly, I consider the industry far healthier than it used to be.
I pirate movies and shows because they refuse to create a Spotify-like service. Content is fragmented across a dozen services, they’re infested with ads, content quality keeps declining, the interfaces suck, and prices are outpacing inflation. I pay for Spotify because it’s still a good service for a reasonable price.
Basically, but it's low hanging fruit. Kids not ripping a 20gb disco from pirate bay at school but they most certainly will download a song off YouTube.
Shoot I remember back in the mid 2000s with my shitty mp3 player ripping music in any class with a computer.
2023 was absolutely the year I dove back into music piracy. I started with downloading youtube playlists but the real game changer was soundiiz, which allowed me to import text, m3u, csv, spotify, xspf playlists into qobuz and deezer so i can download whole playlists of FLAC with qobuz-dl and deemix-gui. My collection went from 20,000 to 100,000, downloading playlists from qobuz and deezer, xspf playlists from my remaining lossy music. I used streamripper on a few web radio stations just to get a list of songs to pull down this way. I only bought music for years and years, but that got me a narrow type of collection.
Man, I never knew there was a way to download my entire spotify playlist.
That's been the biggest thing tethering me to their service, since they empty you out when you unsubscribe.
So right now, I have Radarr and Sonarr automate everything to plex.
Is there a way, I can automate:
I add to Spotify playlist (I would keep Spotify free as it is good at finding things for me)
Something detects it
Something downloads it
It shows up in PlexAmp
Ive been paying for Spotify premium because I need it for my job and I don't want to spend a ton of time tweaking and naming things. I'd rather use PlexAmp and stop paying if possible but I'd like it to be easy (with a little work here and there) like my arr+plex setup.
Am I asking for something that doesn't exist?
This is my time to shine !
I am currently working on this and have a prototype that I am testing : https://github.com/P6g9YHK6/SpotifyRipper
When I have the time to polish it I will dockerise the solution to have an automated spotify scraper ATM it is manually run but works pretty well 🥳
Pull requests are welcome for anything on the todo list 🫡 And github stars will help boost this project popularity 🥰
This was one of the issue I had too... I could not make lidarr work with my music tastes so I spent a couple of days prototyping with spotdl to get this working correctly and ended with the current version of the ripper I run it once a week to get the new favs and weekly playlist
This looks cool!
Unfortunately I don't know anything about Python or docker... Thanks for the link, maybe I'll try and figure this out on my next holiday.
Just released an update that should take care of most of the libraries requirement for you. Just follow the instructions and it should work
I have done this. it can be quite messy but it will definitely import the albums of all the music you have either liked or followed or in playlist in Spotify.
I'm not 100% that it will actually organize it as it was originally on Spotify, though, just that it adds the list's contents as "wanted tracks". I assume there's some way to do this but I haven't looked into it enough yet.
It's still on my list, along with figuring out how to get Critical Role working with my Sonarr so I can be done with YouTube frontends..
Hmmm.... Maybe I'll have to try this on my next holiday or long weekend and play around with it
Syncthing and Spotdl. Syncthing can sync folders over a network. Spotdl can download content from a playlist; it is multi-threaded and skips already existing or duplicate songs. It took me 20 minutes to automate everything. Syncthing and Spotdl start on startup and do their thing every 10 minutes.
Soulseek for life! There should be a documentary about this because…. how? How has this been able to go this strong for so long? One of the first installs on any new OS I spin up. And when it comes to supporting the artists? Live shows and merch, when possible.
Yes, word of mouth. I love my band shirts. It's always a great conversation starter. I have SXM, that's how I learned about Motionless in White, Beartooth, Starset, and Ice Nine Kills.
But I also have my own collection on my 1tb sd card in my phone.
Because they dont advertise the fact that theyre a music sharing platform. Its the most basic possible p2p platform that can exist and they dont seek the laws attention like Napster did.
They also comply with requests to blacklist certain artist search results. Try searching for the Beatles on slsk, you dont get any results.
Songs and albums that I’ve listened to for years have disappeared from my Apple Music subscription. I swapped completely to a paid service and never looked back until they removed things I could listen to last month.
Songs and albums that I’ve uploaded from my own collection have disappeared from Apple Music, despite my physically owning them on CD and Apple advertising the ability to store my CD rips in the cloud.
It’s unacceptable. I’m still on Apple Music for now, but moving my music library to Jellyfin looks more appealing by the day.
It may have been user error, for me. I’m pretty sure CDs I had bought and ripped to ITunes changed to ‘this song is not on your device’ cloud copies when Apple Music happened- then they disappeared entirely, even though they were files I added to OG iTunes almost 20 years ago.
Sadly, my iPod’s hard drive failed a while ago. I enjoyed the free streaming stuff for the few and fewer times I had music on. I’ll be upgrading the iPod and heading out to sea… again.
if there was a way to get spotify with at least CD quality and the artists getting the rest of the money that spotify doesn't already take, more people would probably pay for it.
i am in a spotify family plan already, but i get that paying 12 bucks a month for 320 kbit/s and getting the artist fucked over is too much.
it's a thing of morals for many people, like with steam. steam doesn't actively fuck both the developer and the user over, they just take a 30% cut. you could argue about if that's too much, but i'm fine with it.
In terms of cents per stream, Tidal definitely compansates the most at 4x more than Spotify and 10x more than Deezer. Plus if you VPN to Nigeria on account creation, it's only $4 a month. You can then use tidal-dl to download music and you can use *arr Scripts to download music using Lidarr.
Weirdly, that's bandcamp today. Apparently they're doing a thing where everything you buy today, they will give their usual cut to the artist too.
Shame it's not all the time, but I guess bandcamp needs to pay for servers, etc.
My philosophy goes like this: Pay for the hardware, get the content for free.
That's how it is in Switzerland: you pay a small piracy tax on every storage medium, in return downloading films and series is legal (but not uploading, though I never got a problem with torrenting)
Shared a news about piracy, link to paywall Wired.com. the irony
Like this.
Anyone have a private tracker invite they’d share with me? Lidarr is the only arr I haven’t set up yet. Wouldn’t mind upgrading my library which I haven’t looked at since college.
No one will give you one. Music trackers are more difficult than average to get into and harder than most to maintain ratio. I wouldn't risk my account on it.
You can give this script a go though to download from Dezeer or Tidal from Lidarr
Where is the scene to at least start being considered for private trackers?
I don't understand how the scene is supposed to stay alive when it's this exclusive. You have to be in a chat from a forum where you've spent years just to get the trackers, let alone do anything for the group other than seed.
Redacted - https://interviewfor.red/
Orpheus - https://interview.orpheus.network/
Man it was so hard for me to maintain ratio on oink. I didn't have anything new to bring to the table and that was why. I had to invest time to target certain popular music in hopes to seed some of it. Then it got shut down.
Shit my bad it was what. So hard to keep a ratio
A quick googling says these are both shut down. RIP.
Whatever happened to what.cd?
RIP
I mainly use soulseek for music.
Whoopty doo 13% < shits crazy now, napsters back in business
apple killing ipods and deprioritising the itunes store probably contributed to this more than anything ironically
13%!?!? WHOOOOOA!
why would they do this
sites that allow users to download the audio from YouTube URLs
you guys use sites for that? I just use vpn + yt-dlp
Does somebody know a good torrent music streaming app? Something like spotify but with data from musicbrainz or anything like that and the files from torrents.
Like.. Plex with plexamp? Or jellyfin with finamp?
The only way
♫ Don't call it a comeback ♫
I'm pretty current on technology but honestly never heard of Youtube-To-MP3 conversion.
Thinking this may be the ticket to cutting the cord with Spotify, but as others have suggested, I fully intend to buy tracks of my favorite indie folks too.
Do artists actually get a decent cut from Band Camp?
Bandcamp was recently sold as far as I'm aware. Also, after a recent purchase I made from them I had my credit card frauded. Can't say with 100% assurance that it was because of something going on with bandcamp, but it's my belief it was them. Something seems off from before, so I've decided to take a break from buying anything from them for a while.
Ah. And you're probably right. Just a coincidence.
If you're on linux use yt-dlp, it's the tits, works on bandcamp too. If you're on windows - they may have a win version, idk, check though because it rules.
Can't answer the other question though, sorry.
Lidarr is the corresponding program for music, setup is almost identical to what you're already running. And if you use Prowlarr to manage your indexers, it also works with Lidarr.
I use Deemon for automatic music downloading from Deezer (free). Then I stream my music with Navidrome and some Subsonic compatible apps for mobile. I have this setup for over 3 years now and I have 3TB of music ;)
If you just want to download the songs you need, you can use Deemix (I use this Docker image, you can just install it as an application too)
Tip: if you don't want to setup a music server, you can use Syncthing to sync you music and playlists between devices :)
thanks for using Leebra!
go to feed...
I never stopped but i started buying music too from small artists
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