Lemmy.ml has now blocked threads.net / Meta

3 years ago by Dessalines to c/meta

It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it's users will not be allowed to proceed.

We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.

nostalgicgamerz 263 points 3 years ago

YOUR MOVE LEMMY.WORLD

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justdoit 170 points 3 years ago

Every time I see a picture of him I think it has to be edited or something. He’s like a walking Snapchat filter.

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QuentinCallaghan 130 points 3 years ago

"Hello, fellow humans!"

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dessalines 74 points 3 years ago path: 0 952830 952948 953092, hotness: undefined, score: 74, children: 8
GnuLinuxDude 47 points 3 years ago

The best part about the full smoked meats vid is when his "friends" (i.e. employees) come over. What really gets me is that the friends NEVER speak unless spoken to, because it's just a really awkward work event where Zuck has to pretend he has friends.

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spitz 4 points 3 years ago

It made him look so gosh dang relatable.

No, that's not the word I'm looking for. Unlikeable. That's the one.

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7heo 34 points 3 years ago

expired

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MeetInPotatoes 5 points 3 years ago

Interesting, mine was 5 seconds long and muted.

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Anticorp 19 points 3 years ago

I don't know about these smoking meats, but I enjoy human activities such as breathing air and walking with my leg.

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QuentinCallaghan 13 points 3 years ago

Tyler Cassidy made also a good song about Zucc.

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loz 11 points 3 years ago

This could be the intro to a found footage horror film about a cannibal that smokes his victims.

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absentthereaper 5 points 3 years ago
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Famko 15 points 3 years ago

Believe it or not, but this image is also not edited

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dessalines 36 points 3 years ago

That one definitely is edited lol. Reminds me of the android from that Queen album cover

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shotgun_crab 8 points 3 years ago

I can't unsee it now lmao

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samus12345 6 points 3 years ago

Now I get why Stewie was terrified.

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Sterile_Technique 29 points 3 years ago
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NoTime 17 points 3 years ago

Good god that's terrifying.

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Feathercrown 12 points 3 years ago

How

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Sterile_Technique 11 points 3 years ago
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wavymoney 26 points 3 years ago

He always looks AI-generated

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CannotSleep420 4 points 3 years ago

That's because he's an AI.

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wavymoney 3 points 3 years ago

I know, The Social Network told me

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tracyspcy 13 points 3 years ago

He likely has a skilled pr team that has crafted his image as unique, brilliant, and even all this alien/ lizard stuff. In general, he is simply a billionaire and for sure not have much in common with working people.

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ondoyant 4 points 3 years ago

the lizard thing is unfortunately just antisemitism, and older than zucc himself. the whole alien lizard people running the world bit comes from David Icke, who is very much a fascist, and was inspired directly by old school Nazi conspiracy theory texts like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

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samus12345 9 points 3 years ago

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0x2d 4 points 3 years ago

HELLO, FELLOW HUMANS

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quotheraven404 6 points 3 years ago

It looks like his face was stretched vertically at the middle of his nose, and someone blurred his undereye area and blended the bottoms of his eyeballs in. Disturbing stuff.

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null_ 1 point 3 years ago

When you nut but she still Zucc-in

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Mikina 147 points 3 years ago

I would like to also add this argument into the discussion, since I've seen a lot of people who are voting for federating with meta, with the argument that defederating just because we don't like someone goes against the idea of Fediverse, and interconnected network of diverse servers that is should inclusive and allows people to connect.

It's quite the contrary - allowing Meta in goes directly against the idea of Fediverse, and we should fight it as much as possible.

This is a literal quote from the main header on https://www.fediverse.to/

The fediverse is a collection of community-owned, ad-free, decentralised, and privacy-centric social networks.

Each fediverse instance is managed by a human admin. You can find fediverse instances dedicated to art, music, technology, culture, or politics.

Join the growing community and experience the web as it was meant to be.

Judging by this main selling point of the Fediverse, it sounds to me like Meta shouldn't be in the Fediverse do begin with, and every instance should defederate from them by default.

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Yoz 145 points 3 years ago

Thanks for saving us lemmy.ml Admins.

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dessalines 115 points 3 years ago

o7. We're out here for yall, and we're gonna make sure the fediverse stays inoculated from threats.

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Marxine 16 points 3 years ago

I'm happy to call lemmy.ml my new home. BASED take!

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Percy 1 point 3 years ago

Why do I keep seeing a plague doctor mask for your pfp

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Fredselfish 126 points 3 years ago

Thank you Lemmy.ml Meta can F off.

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FartsWithAnAccent 22 points 3 years ago

They really put the meta in metastasize!

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gornar 6 points 3 years ago

This is brilliant!

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gornar 10 points 3 years ago

All the way off!

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FarLine99 9 points 3 years ago

Lemmy developers, thank you!

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Tenthrow 124 points 3 years ago

I hope Lemmy.world does the same.

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Speculater 45 points 3 years ago

I'm moving if they don't.

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Albinoss 18 points 3 years ago

Same. I just wish there was an easy way to transfer. I just found the communities I wanted and I don’t look forward to making a new profile and adding them all again.

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Luxsidus 3 points 3 years ago

I already have an account ready to switch. It's still early days so it should be relatively painless if it means sticking with the Lemmy instance that knows capital will only expand and ruin things in the pursuit of profit.

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Melco 42 points 3 years ago
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nostalgicgamerz 24 points 3 years ago

I’m thinking the same thing…they’re trying to avoid blowback by breaking the fedipact by just….saying nothing.

I swear I’ll fucking leave if they don’t dederate with Meta

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ColonelSanders 20 points 3 years ago

I really REALLY hate to bring up Reddit since I know everyone is sick of hearing about it, but this is just like when Subreddits were determining whether or not to go dark and some of the more popular ones opted to just say or do nothing because they didn't want to go against the grain.

FFS I wish people would grow a pair and fight back.

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Speculater 5 points 3 years ago

I was really disappointed to see many big communities just carry on.

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Marxine 19 points 3 years ago

I am on lemmy.world, but the inaction of the admins there made me create an account here on .ml as soon as I saw one of the admins being basically as "naive" as Mastodon's Rochko.

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Melco 10 points 3 years ago
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Marxine 10 points 3 years ago

They're open as it seems (since I got to register today), but the sign-up process requires you to answer a few basic questions to verify you're not a bot or spam account.

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possum 10 points 3 years ago path: 0 954429 958489 973462, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 0
JeffCraig 5 points 3 years ago

I posed this question to the admins a while back. How does the community officially suggest instances to defederate. How do we vote on those choices? Where is the process?

This was during the lemmy.online thing, where that instance (which no longer exists) created a bot to basic just crawl reddit and duplicate posts to their instance. I immediately told the instance admin that they should stop and I asked the admins where the process was to submit a de-federation request.

All I got was a bunch of BS from users about how de-federation should be something we don't take lightly, blah blah blah, but all I was asking was where the process is. How are we even partaking in a system that's so ripe for admin abuse?

The lemmy.world admins aren't malicious... they're just in over their heads. They've struggled with the technical side of running the service and they haven't built out some of the social tools that an instance this side needs. Hopefully they mature quickly.

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MrSilkworm 10 points 3 years ago

I hope Leemy.world does the same *soon

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DAC_Protogen 83 points 3 years ago

I would say we need a vote if lemmy.world should do the same. I would be for blocking meta.

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sneezy 81 points 3 years ago

People left reddit because of corporate f*ckery, and some of them are now making excuses for meta?? What kind of mental gymnastics is this?

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TerkErJerbs 80 points 3 years ago

So... you're not gonna try Threads then???

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samideano 76 points 3 years ago

the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to preemptively block threats / Meta

The only sane approach to this "dilemma". Thank you for keeping the instance free of "threats" (I see what you did there)

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Gsicht 60 points 3 years ago

Excellent. Big corporations go against the very idea of the fediverse.

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v4ld1z 56 points 3 years ago

Good riddance

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CannotSleep420 54 points 3 years ago

...the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta.

When the typo is more accurate than what was intended to be written.

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QuentinCallaghan 48 points 3 years ago

Amen! I made a longer post explaining my reasoning for blocking Threads and the decision took only 15 minutes.

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Marxine 8 points 3 years ago

Congrats on being based as well! I'm not on your server, but thanks for looking out for your users.

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hydra 47 points 3 years ago

Thank you so much! Let's make sure the XMPP situation never repeats ever again.

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Sterile_Technique 46 points 3 years ago
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henfredemars 15 points 3 years ago

The fediverse taking off is an existential threat to Meta. I have no doubt that they will take any actions they consider necessary to maintain control over most users.

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lemuria 40 points 3 years ago

Good riddance to Meta's bullshit. Stop them before they get to the first E in EEE.

Here's a sign to put up at the border between Lemmy.ml and Threads, which will surely have a 100-meter wall built on it with 50 kV electric fences, barbed wire, watchtowers, snipers, and whatever to keep those Meta corporate fuckers out.

Threads Quarantine Zone sign

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Lermatroid 36 points 3 years ago

Gonna go against the grain here a little bit, but why? If they are federated, it will mean that you can move off of threads more easily to other servers and not get locked into a walled garden. Encouraging companies to embrace federation will avoid the shit shows like we've seen at twitter and reddit, since users will be easily able to jump ship without much loss. Additionally, apps like threads make federated platforms much more approachable to newcomers and those who do not even know what the fediverse is.

I'd love someone to explain it to me, but this feels like a massive footgun.

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BlackKong 106 points 3 years ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

Embrace: they embrace the fediverse, bring millions of new users to it and everyone is happy. The fediverse grows and the new meta instance gets a ton of content. Everyone is happy

Extend: meta begins to add features to their instance which clashes with or is unusable with other instances. These begin to pile up and issues develop.

Extinguish: meta unfederates from other instances. People are now forced to stay where they were and lose a majority of their friends and content from metas instance. Or switch over. Mass migration away from original instances. These instances die

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Chthonic 45 points 3 years ago path: 0 953303 954078 954881, hotness: undefined, score: 45, children: 0
MrMusAddict -2 points 3 years ago

How is that different from defederating now?

In the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish scenario, assuming they get to "Extinguish", the rest of the Fediverse becomes isolated and cannot connect with their friends and content.

If we defederate now, the Fediverse becomes isolated and cannot connect with Threads content, and cannot connect with friends who choose to be on Threads instead of a disconnected alternative.

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7heo 37 points 3 years ago

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MrMusAddict -15 points 3 years ago

"Prevention" perhaps in the way of amputating a broken arm. If we apply the exact same scenario of the e-mail/Gmail to the Fediverse / Threads, we're talking about a loss of (or lack of) some functions, but the foundational connection will still remain. Meta can dangle carrots with their bells and whistles, but the people who want to be on a non-corporate instance will remain here. We can still receive content & comments, and we can proselytize the benefits of a non-corporate Fediverse while still offering the same content & comments.

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Emptiness 22 points 3 years ago

The difference is time. With time a federated Threads will build it's own massive library of content, suck in it's own users and then slowly make all of that proprietary and locked down from the rest of the fediverse.

It's a long con that's been done several times by big corporations.

De federate now and that content and those users will have to choose now. Meta or fediverse. The scales are still uneven, but less uneven than in that future.

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carbotect -5 points 3 years ago

Fediverse right now is mostly used by a small group of enthusiasts.

If Meta joins the fediverse, the people who join Lemmy/Kbin/Mastodon instances will still be the same group of enthusiasts.

If Meta leaves the fediverse, you will also still have the same group of enthusiasts, that you have here right now.

I don't get why the EEE meme is so prevalent here. XMPP never died and big tech never even harmed it.

Best case: Big corps joining the fediverse could make the ActivityPub the de facto standard for a new generation of social media. Similar to how HTTP, Email or the Linux kernel is practically used everywhere now.

Worst case: The fediverse will remain as obscure as it is right now and nothing changes.

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MeetInPotatoes 8 points 3 years ago

Sorry to be blunt but nobody here should give a single shit that they "can't interact with Threads content" from Lemmy. Make an account there if you care that much. Lemmy is exactly the opposite of a corporate-controlled and monetized platform and the Fediverse is flourishing because a need arose to not let corporate fucks ruin everything they touch. If they're your friends, you can interact with them any number of ways, send them a link however you normally talk, obviously. This is shill talk.

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absentthereaper 2 points 3 years ago
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CrabAndBroom 30 points 3 years ago

I mean, lemmy.ml explicitly describes itself as a community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts (and I'm reasonably certain it's run by actual communists) so I'd have been quite surprised if they'd embraced Meta tbh.

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Little8Lost 24 points 3 years ago

one problem it that it has threads has a very large userbase and it will likely flood the fediverse so instances that dont block them may dont really have other content and from what i understand is that the content there is flooded with influencers. At least the type of influencers i think are annoying and too comercialised.

And with the flood of content server admins that only do it for fun will get a problem with moderation.

There was a dude in this comment section that left a link about some type of essay (the link contains something with 15 minutes).

Edit: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/879382

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jcb2016 12 points 3 years ago

You realize that accepting meta/threads terms you give them permission to sell your data right? They will sell it to advertisers. They help the fbi and others track your every step. Also on fediverse you info is stored locally if the server goes down you don’t have to worry about your info being accessed remotely. I think I saw something where they said that lemmy and kbin store your data for three days then it gets auto deleted. If I was a large instance I would block meta also. Everything meta touched dies!

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apigban 7 points 3 years ago

I got this step, defederating essentially says to them that I dont consent to them getting my data.

But I'm really missing something here, since any instance that zucc controls that is federated to the large instances just exposes my data to zucc.

Defederating is one step, the instance owners have taken that step now, so far so good, well then zucc will just create a lemmy/kbin instance that they own, they join the fed and not even announce meta's affiliation with it, my data is still zucc'ed.

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jcb2016 5 points 3 years ago

Yea that sucks!

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w3dd1e 3 points 3 years ago

I agree with you. I think this is a way to introduce people who aren’t tech-savvy into Activity Pub and Fediverse, which is ultimately a good thing.

Yes, Meta has a history of being untrustworthy, but I think a place that allows communication between a large population isn’t a bad thing either.

I would rather wait and see when Threads is full federated and what that means. We just don’t have enough information to make a decision.

I would rather 70 million people have joined Mastodon but that’s just not how things work and we need to be realistic.

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leastprivilege -3 points 3 years ago

Exactly what I'm thinking. Also why are server admins choosing what I can do on other instances? Am I missing something here? Why can't users be in control of who they interact with?

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Zeth0s 26 points 3 years ago

They are "blocking" threads only from their instance. Other instances can do what their admin prefer. If you are unhappy, you have to migrate to another instance closer to your tastes or host your instance (this is how fediverse is designed)

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bitsplease -17 points 3 years ago

Yeah this is the point that irks me, each individual should get to decide for themselves, I totally get and respect the arguments for not engaging with Threads, but I don't want that decision made for me. And unfortunately it seems like most fediverse admins feel the same way, so "just switch instances" isn't necessarily practical

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suborbital 23 points 3 years ago

To be fair...you have the ability to fix this yourself by hosting your own instance.

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crowsby -1 points 3 years ago

Yes and suggesting that average users can simply set up a server and then navigate either Docker or Ansible just to maintain consistent content preferences isn't perhaps realistic. Even for tech-literate folks it's kind of a big lift, and I have to suspect it's one of the issues that could keep the Fediverse from enjoying wider adoption.

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WarmSoda 10 points 3 years ago

Idk if you disagree with what most fediverse admins feel is the way to go... I'm gonna say maybe find one that you do agree with and make that your instance.

I hear there's one called Threads you can try.

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MeetInPotatoes 4 points 3 years ago

You can decide for yourself by making your own server or finding one you align with, that's exactly how this works.

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EdgeOfToday 2 points 3 years ago

Agreed, I've been on lemmy for like a month and already had to make several accounts on different instances because I'm just trying to see everything and instances keep defederating. I understand lemmy is young and growing fast and there will be growing pains, but threads isn't even on activitypub yet and they're already being blocked by half the instances.

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UhBell -6 points 3 years ago

I'll never make a threads account, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to interact with anyone from threads. That's the beauty of the fediversve: I can still talk to metas users without sacrificing my first born to the zucc.

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MeetInPotatoes 5 points 3 years ago

NO....the beauty of the Fediverse is that corporate interests aren't welcome here. It's a new frontier and you're advocating that we extend an invite to the ones that fucked up the last frontier. Make a threads account if that's important, you have ZERO argument for the rest of us to need the ability to connect with them from a platform specifically designed for decentralized control.

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UhBell -2 points 3 years ago

Your comment has made me realize that I give literally zero fucks anymore about this topic. Have whatever opinions you want - I'm just gonna post memes and enjoy life ✌️ peace.

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MeetInPotatoes -2 points 3 years ago

Same, but what is peaceful about this is not having any reason at all to give a rats what Elon Musk, Spez, or Zuck are trying to do next to wring more money out of their investments. Enjoy life as well.

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kava -4 points 3 years ago

Some instances will federate with Threads. Those will have much more content because they will be connected to millions of people. Over time, they get bigger than the ones that don't.

Eventually, all big instances are federated with Threads.

you have zero argument foe the rest of us

And neither do you. It's the admins of the instances that ultimately have the say. This isn't any more democratic than reddit. It's just easier to switch instances if you don't like something.

There will be plenty of instances for federation with meta and plenty without. No need to get worked up about it. This is what an open standards means. It means people can openly use it.

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MeetInPotatoes 3 points 3 years ago

Go be an astroturfing corporate shill somewhere else.

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shapis 3 points 3 years ago
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EdgeOfToday -7 points 3 years ago

I agree, threads connecting to the fediverse seems like it would be a positive step for everyone. I'm not sure how meta could kill the fediverse as long as independent servers exist. If meta is flooding the fediverse with spam or other influencer bs, then we can all just defederate.

I have an alternate theory that threads is never planning to support the fediverse. They are trying to attract users who are looking for a Twitter alternative, and right now the most compelling option is mastodon. But if threads announces activitypub support, then some would-be mastodon users might join threads instead, thinking it will all be connected. But if threads ends up winning all those users anyways, then they'll just say fuck it, we don't need activitypub.

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mark 8 points 3 years ago

threads is never planning to support the fediverse

Same thing I'm thinking. If they were going to support it, they would've done it already. And it wouldn't be an after thought.

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MeetInPotatoes 1 point 3 years ago

I agree, threads connecting to the fediverse seems like it would be a positive step for everyone.

How did you even end up here?

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MrMusAddict -11 points 3 years ago

So far I've only got a lot of unsatisfying answers (from a factual perspective). It seems to boil down to how much individuals on the fediverse fear Meta is in their capability of doing a full take-over. Personally, I feel like we're pretty protected form that. I've posted my questions, and still looking for some good answers here:

https://lemmy.world/post/1118810

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Vlyn 24 points 3 years ago

It's pretty damn simple actually. Let's say we fully federate with Threads, what will happen?

  1. Threads gets a massive amount of users, they already have 20 million sign-ups on the first day! Their user base will be gigantic

  2. We'll get a big influx of content (if Meta does the federation properly), huge communities will pop up on Threads and you'll join those communities. It's unlikely that Threads users will join communities hosted on smaller instances, why join a community with 1k users if Meta has one with 200k?

  3. Now Meta controls 99% of the users AND content. They can switch off federation at any moment. Maybe they cover it with "we have a new cool feature, but it breaks federation, sorry!" in that moment all our Lemmy instances lose most of their users and content. And you lose all your communities you joined

  4. Lemmy users will migrate to threads, because they want their content back, the fediverse dies (except for a few hundred to thousand hold-over nerds who won't give up)

Fuck Meta.

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nostalgicgamerz 15 points 3 years ago

Damn thinking about this, this is exactly what Reddit did with 3rd party apps

  1. Embrace openness by allowing 3rd party apps on the platform and gain user base in the process

  2. Once user base is high enough, start introducing features that aren’t available (chat, polls) in the API to entice users to abandon 3rd party apps for new features

  3. Once the users is high enough, cut 3rd party apps the fuck off and coerce users to use their app with no alternatives. Terminally online users won’t ask questions and will transition without hesitation to the official app to get their subreddit community fix.

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Vlyn 8 points 3 years ago

It was even worse. Reddit didn't make their own app, they bought a third party app (Alien Blue) and made it worse.

But nobody cared about chat, polls, bought avatars or whatever, I was happy using RIF and rather didn't have those things. Reddit wants you to have and use those things so you spend extra money in their shop. One more reason to get rid of third party apps.

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Fylkir 2 points 3 years ago

Once user base is high enough, start introducing features that aren’t available (chat, polls) in the API to entice users to abandon 3rd party apps for new features

Except in reddit's case, both Chat and Polls are features that were hardly used.

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MeetInPotatoes 6 points 3 years ago

This, starting to feel a strong astroturf vibe here because 10 people upvoted the comment above you and yet nobody downvoted yours despite them being made within an hour of each other. It's like they have bots going and upvoting each other's pro-Meta posts. FUCK Meta and Reddit, these types of greedy CEO's who don't give a rats if they make the world better or worse as long as they make a buck are exactly the reason the people needed their own solution. Meta is literally the antithesis of everything decentralization is about. How the F did these people end up here if corporate control of their communication is just fine with them?

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EdgeOfToday 0 points 3 years ago

Damn, i can't believe how many people immediately jump to the astroturfing accusation instead of discussing the points you raised. I think we can all agree that meta is evil and we shouldn't trust them. The solution should be to build a network that's resilient to bad actors rather than thinking we can just block all the bad actors. As long as there are independent fediverse servers supported by their communities, it's hard to see how meta could totally take over the entire fediverse.

My bigger concern is that meta could gain influence over the activitypub standard, but that's not a battle we can win by simply blocking meta servers.

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dessalines 26 points 3 years ago

As long as there are independent fediverse servers supported by their communities, it's hard to see how meta could totally take over the entire fediverse.

It's only hard to imagine for those who haven't learned the history of facebooks nefarious practices, or don't know the many successful cases of EEE and sabotage these companies have carried out.

Luckily, many of us do remember, and are not going to let the cancer grow.

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EdgeOfToday -10 points 3 years ago

I'm just saying I've seen a lot of vague comments about how evil meta is (and i don't disagree) but very little discussion about how they would actually destroy the fediverse. At this point, it seems more likely that the fediverse destroys itself when all servers defederate from all other servers out of paranoia.

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ziggurism -12 points 3 years ago

I feel like Threads and Bluesky could lift the entire fediverse ocean, give it content and legitimacy and server capacity. And if the fediverse chooses to Balkanize and fracture in response, before we’ve even seen what effects they have on the community, then yeah we’re shooting ourselves in the foot.

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hydra 11 points 3 years ago

give it content and legitimacy and server capacity

by concentrating said content and legitimacy within their walled garden servers. Then they perform the rug pull and shut the gates closed, they have all the content and we have nothing.

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ziggurism -3 points 3 years ago

If they defederate we are just back to where we are now

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blob42 36 points 3 years ago

Thank you for your integrity and ethics. This action sends a strong message to the capitalist leeches where we stand.

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marito 36 points 3 years ago

Hi guys, I'm new here from Reddit and I'm still learning about Lemmy and the Fediverse. Can someone ELI5 how not blocking Threads can negatively affect this community? Thanks.

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corvus 34 points 3 years ago

Haha... I wasn't wrong when choosing lemmy.ml as my lemmy server 😉

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ManifestStefany 11 points 3 years ago

Joined today. Feeling good about this decision. 🤘🏿

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Marxine 5 points 3 years ago

Same here, we gotta put our activity where our beliefs exist.

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GutterPunch 33 points 3 years ago

The great part of federation is that users who want to use Threads still can, and instances who don't want to federate with Meta don't have to. People who want to double-dip can sign up for their favorite instance(s) of choice, as well as with Threads. Neither one has to have any app shut down and everyone still gets to make a choice as an end-user rather than be decided upon by an unmovable authority. Win win!

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buco 31 points 3 years ago

Great news, now let's hope every instance follows.

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Luxsidus 31 points 3 years ago

Joined a few Lemmy instances, but the admin team taking actions like these might make lemmy.ml my main place to go. Anything corporate is irredeemable.

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oranges 30 points 3 years ago

Kudos...... It's very much appreciated and a refreshing change to not be let down by something you enjoy online.

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ablackcatstail 30 points 3 years ago

I think a preemptive block on threads and meta is a wise move! I did it for both my Mastodon and Lemmy instances.

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Vlyn 28 points 3 years ago

Thank you!

Meta will only go full on E/E/E on the fediverse, even by "accident" (like adding new features and breaking the standard). Better choke them off right from the start and build small organic communities instead.

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kava -7 points 3 years ago

Ok so they make new features on their threads platform. All of a sudden cross posting from lemmy to threads gets more difficult because they aren't respecting the standard.

Now what? Are all Lemmy users gonna flood over to Threads now? The vast majority don't even want to federated to Threads, let alone migrate their accounts.

I think this whole thing is overblown. EEE is a real thing but nobody has yet to provide a concrete mechanism that can come about from just federation with Threads.

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CannotSleep420 6 points 3 years ago path: 0 956843 969902 989221, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 2
kava 0 points 3 years ago

Everybody keeps referencing Ploum and he's got a great blog - I have him on my RSS feed. But he's wrong about this. Google didn't kill XMPP because it was never anything more than niche to begin with. Google Talk was like 99% of XMPP users from the very start. It isn't analogous to our current situation.

But here's my trying to make some sort of example- The big company takes a new technology and embraces it - like Meta with ActivityPub. Then they extend it, but in such a way that it isn't compatible with the rest of the format.

So let's imagine how this could be done in ActivityPub. Maybe there are some features on Threads that creates a sort of centralized index of all Fediverse sites. So if you wanted to search for something, Threads was the best. So because of this, many people start using Threads.

Then, extinguish. They kill the standard. So Meta kills ActivityPub and makes it so that everyone who made an account on Threads is locked in.

What happened to the Fediverse in this scenario? Nothing. It will be exactly the same as before. A federated group of instances.

Unless we are scared of thr vast majority of users flocking to Threads should we federated with them, which i sincerely doubt because most people don't trust Meta, then what is the risk? I don't see any.

What is the potential reward? Connecting our communities with millions of people. Millions of people will follow threads and people from Fediverse and will learn about the movement. More connection, more integration with an open protocol.

Everyone is jumping on this anti-federation bandwagon, repeating the same couple sentences they heard someone else put down without any independent thought. I think we live in crazy land sometimes.

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CannotSleep420 6 points 3 years ago

That is a fair point. Maybe we can extinguish them this time around.

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makingStuffForFun 27 points 3 years ago

Excellent news. I would have moved to another instance that did block if .ml didn't block them. Thank you for this lemmy.ml

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hawkwind 25 points 3 years ago

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Raphael 22 points 3 years ago

I hope beehaw does it too despite their status a pro-liberal instance.

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SkyNTP 9 points 3 years ago

Liberal/free market ideals are very well aligned with Fediverse/Lemmy: freedom to chose social media providers without being locked-in, free market of instances, free market of both front-end/backend software, freedom to run or fork the software myself...

Sure, I didn't get to chose this instance's policy, but a) I could find another or start my own if I disagreed (Not so different than electing representatives in a liberal democracy), and b) so far I don't disagree with this policy as Facebook is a threat to some basic software freedoms...

Personally I dislike all the -ism labels. Issues are complex with often contradictory stances. It's almost as though labels are used to divide people on otherwise common issues and common ground by oversimplifying policies into tribalism.

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Bubs 22 points 3 years ago

Free market is exactly the cause of things such as meta. It's not about consumers having a choice, it's about enabling any scheme to get rich, so the choice is actually to companies to take the ability to choose from the consumers (the market is free, not the people). Thank god the whole point of the fediverse is to not be a market and not treat it's users as consumers Edit : actually fb and ig users aren't the real consumers, they are the product, and other companies who buy their personal data are the actual consumers, but anyway, this is irrelevant to the question, I just wanted to point out another reason to fight them. It's really difficult to escape the grasp of the GAFAM since they basically control the world nowadays (can't not use youtube), but thankfully the fediverse is here as a tool to help us escape meta and the likes, let's not let it be corrupted by capitalism

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MavTheHack 3 points 3 years ago

Couldn't agree more with your last paragraph. That's why I've always hated all political parties. 90 percent of issues are as simple are supporting or being against something

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0x2d 21 points 3 years ago

Based

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Melco 20 points 3 years ago
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Gamers_Mate 20 points 3 years ago

Just joined lemmy.ml after being on lemmy world. Until they decide on blocking meta I have no reason to be there.

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howdy 19 points 3 years ago

Yes excellent! No corporations!!!

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spitz 17 points 3 years ago

I spent a month getting an instance set up on .world, wearing my account in, putting up with the lag and other constant problems... then I read about this threads™ nonsense and how .world were playing a "wait and see" game with an evil empire. Read this thread (heh!), moved to .ml. Much smoother and more glitch-free experience. Just have to start over again. So far so good!

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BallsInTheShredder 6 points 3 years ago

What's the difference between lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml? Completely different instances? Sorry I'm new and still don't understand everything

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Kushia 3 points 3 years ago

Yes but you can access content from both of them from the other. Just browse to it or add the communities from the other to your subscriptions.

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s_s 3 points 3 years ago

Its like one is hotmail and the other is yahoo mail. They are free services/hosts that allow you to access the activityPub protocol. There are hundreds of such providers, and you can even host you own on your own services if you wanted to/were inclined.

Lemmy is a specific layout of the ActivityPub protocol. Continuing the metaphor, you could think of Lemmy like an email newsgroup. All the different lemmy instances display and sort the newsgroups the same way, which is to emulate reddit.

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spitz 2 points 3 years ago

From what I can tell, .world is the main, biggest instance with the most people. That means whenever there are technical problems or waves of new signups, things tend to get a bit glitchy due to the system being overloaded. .ml seems to be a computer tech themed instance that doesn't have so many people, so there's not so much to overload all the circuitry bits.

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doctorfail 15 points 3 years ago

Reasonable and wise.

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gale 15 points 3 years ago

This is the kind of thing that made me choose this instance in the first place. Thanks for making my online social place of choice feel safe.

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Raymend 15 points 3 years ago

I’m out of the loop what is going on?

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Awoo 15 points 3 years ago

Good.

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lemminer 15 points 3 years ago

Good Anakin, goood!

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moonmeow 14 points 3 years ago

Awesome. This is great news. I just joined this instance and happy to see this position.

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heyazorin 13 points 3 years ago

My support to this decision.

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scala 13 points 3 years ago

Is it possible for meta/threads not to read lemmy.ml posts as well?

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dessalines 30 points 3 years ago

Meta could fetch posts, but only read them. Meta won't be able to follow our communities or interact with us.

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CrabAndBroom 11 points 3 years ago

Good stuff! I definitely chose the right place to make an account.

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fiah 2 points 3 years ago

Meta could fetch posts

I'm sure a firewall rule or two could sort that out right quick

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scala 2 points 3 years ago

That's fantastic news. So they will have their own bubble, and view our nice gardens.

Thanks for the reply.

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Digester 0 points 3 years ago

I don't even think it's possible. Made a profile on Threads just to see if this was possible but I can't seem to find a way to connect it to the fediverse

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Fickle_Ferret 13 points 3 years ago

I agree with this, cut off the sick limp before the infection spreads.

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HiddenLayer5 12 points 3 years ago

Good riddance.

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pingveno 12 points 3 years ago

Burning threads? The Dragon Riders of Pern approve.

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Luvon 3 points 3 years ago

Dragon riders will fly when threads are in the sky

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odbol 11 points 3 years ago

How does it even work though? I haven't seen any Mastodon or other fediverse posts on Lemmy. What sub would the Threads posts appear in?

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flexcyness 10 points 3 years ago

Is it me or he looks like Queen Elizabeth

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steal_your_face 9 points 3 years ago

🐐

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GnomeKat 9 points 3 years ago

noice

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zShxck 9 points 3 years ago

Good thing, i don't want anything to do with Meta's crap either. If someone is complaining he can always do an account somewhere else.

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Anissem 9 points 3 years ago

God I can’t wait to stop seeing his face, so much of it lately

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Aris 9 points 3 years ago

Great move from lemmy.ml, now I hope other instances follows

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Strangle 9 points 3 years ago

Can someone eli5 what’s going on with this?

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BrooklynMan 18 points 3 years ago

meta is trash and we don’t want its data getting all snuggly with ours. because ew.

now you’re up to speed.

edit: data privacy concerns are the main issue

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astraeus 7 points 3 years ago

If Meta can federate with an instance, it can collect all the available data within that instance. This seems to be what everyone is overlooking on the downsides of Meta federation.

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linucs 6 points 3 years ago

Which is public data, you don't need to run an instance to have it. What am I missing?

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apigban 3 points 3 years ago

As for me this is what I can't follow too, i understand that fackbook cant be trusted, and the federation is based on trust between instance admins to not do something fuckey.

So our data and rights (my country was victim of CA) are unsafe when federated with threads, these are what people are saying.

what is stopping facebook from creating a dummy instance, not disclose it is theirs, and federate with the instances that rejected the known threads instances?

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BrooklynMan 0 points 3 years ago

exactly nobody is overlooking that, although some people may be unaware of it.

for the sake of the person to whom I was replying, I could be accused of oversimplifying the issue, perhaps. I’ve added a clarifying edit to my original comment.

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thesanewriter 3 points 3 years ago

Our data is already public though? The ActivityPub standard specifies that the majority of data we publish on any given instance is public through that instance's API, and a web scraper could be easily built that would comb through and gather all of it for advertising or machine learning purposes. The only real way to avoid that would be to take the sites themselves private, which would kind of defeat the point of social media, or to just not use social media.

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BrooklynMan 13 points 3 years ago

This private data is what Threads is after.

And, no, it’s not “already public.” Or, for your sake, I hope yours is not. Mine certainly isn’t, and I don’t want it to become so.

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thesanewriter 8 points 3 years ago

Oh yeah, the app is a monster that will eat all of your data. I thought we were talking about federated data they would get from the other instances, which is more or less public. My data as shown in that image is not public and I have no plans to hand it over to Meta.

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apigban 4 points 3 years ago

Thanks for this visual. I'd extend the question to:

Will facebook be able to create dummy instances that would federate with the large/established instances and take our information?

I know fuck all about this.

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bleph 14 points 3 years ago

Assumption 1: Meta / Mark Z are objectively untrustworthy

Assumption 2: The Fediverse is a threat to the entire internet advertising machine

Assumption 3: Threads will be a hospitable place for right wing hatemongers. Therefore, federating with it exposes our most vulnerable users and communities to a deluge of (often invisible) hate and harassment.

Assumption 4: Most of the ways that they could use their billions of users and army of programmers to slowly choke us off would go through federation

I think if you believe all four of those assumptions defederation is the clear choice

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Chthonic 11 points 3 years ago

https://ploum.net/...

I know we all dream of having all our friends and family on the Fediverse so we can avoid proprietary networks completely. But the Fediverse is not looking for market dominance or profit. The Fediverse is not looking for growth. It is offering a place for freedom. People joining the Fediverse are those looking for freedom. If people are not ready or are not looking for freedom, that’s fine. They have the right to stay on proprietary platforms. We should not force them into the Fediverse. We should not try to include as many people as we can at all cost. We should be honest and ensure people join the Fediverse because they share some of the values behind it.

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fermionsnotbosons 9 points 3 years ago

Exactly. I don't understand why so many people have this mentality of 'the fediverse must grow, or it's a failure', but I think a lot of them are from the recent reddit exodus (I am too, for the record) and are addicted to the firehose of content that a massive social media platform brings.

I participated less and less on reddit in recent years, after joining in 2007, partly because it became such a behemoth. Nowadays, I am enjoying the modest size of my lemmy instance and the values I've seen espoused throughout. It's like a small(er) get together of like-minded people rather than an open-door rager - the first has always had more appeal to me, personally.

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reverendz 6 points 3 years ago path: 0 953789 954920 957644 961521, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 1
fermionsnotbosons 2 points 3 years ago

Thank you, I just finished the whole thing. It was a great read, and now I need to go and wipe my eyes from all these onions I've been chopping. :)

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Chthonic 5 points 3 years ago

Growth is important to any social media ecosystem because you have to hit a critical mass of users to continue meaningfully existing - particularly, you have to have enough users to convince content creators to leave their current environment, since they're the most likely to be entrenched where they are.

That said, the distinction is that to a corporate/capitalist social media platform, infinite and exponential growth is the goal. To a FOSS social media platform, growth is simply a by-product of the real goal of meeting a public need.

I think the feeling of exclusivity that comes with being early to any scene is neat, but more users means more diversification of instances and communities, and we'll get to see the blossoming of hyper-specific, idiosyncratic, often deranged communities that made up the best part of Reddit. So growth isn't all bad.

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fermionsnotbosons 2 points 3 years ago

I appreciate the elaboration and if I understand you correctly, I definitely think I agree.

The way I see it, if the instances & communities that make up the Fediverse grow like a garden (rather than an invasive weed - please bear with this analogy, lol) then eventually we should get small but active plots with new ghost pepper variants or even duran trees (talk about deranged!) that people can check out or share with those that are interested. That would be very cool, and would be a maturation I look forward to and will contribute to as best I can.

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MeetInPotatoes 1 point 3 years ago

I fully agree with you, but in your last sentence would insert the word "organic"..."Organic growth isn't bad at all." Let this grow simply because more people tell their friends about it, not because come gigantic corp wanted to connect its hive-mind interface to our new frontier to assimilate the new technology into its own before killing it.

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MeetInPotatoes -1 points 3 years ago

Well said.

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shapis 8 points 3 years ago

The Zuck is making his own fediverse instance, seems to mostly be a twitter competitor atm.

Admins with good sense are defederating that instance, because we know that they have nothing but bad intentions.

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jtk 8 points 3 years ago

Have they even implemented ActivityPub yet? I have a feeling they won't actually go through with it anyway.

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dessalines 18 points 3 years ago

Every one of their press releases has fediverse integration as a major selling point. Whether they go through with it or not, we should be ready to take them at their word.

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jtk 4 points 3 years ago

major selling point

That's why I think it won't happen. Now that everyone's been "sold" on it, there's no incentive for them to actually do it. But they got the fediverse talking about them ad nauseam right now, which I think is exactly what they want.

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keenkoon 8 points 3 years ago
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Labonnie 8 points 3 years ago

Serious question:

Is he sick? That he has no facial features whatsoever?

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WhiteWolf 8 points 3 years ago

Thank you!

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CoupleOfConcerns 7 points 3 years ago

Would anybody be surprised if he bled white goo like Ash in the movie Alien. He looks not quite human.

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sneezy 7 points 3 years ago

Very good! I sincerely hope all the others will too. If lemm.ee won't, I know where I'll be moving to ;)

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dispenser 7 points 3 years ago

Bravo!

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shapis 7 points 3 years ago

Awesome.

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tatterdemalion 7 points 3 years ago

threats

Appropriate Freudian slip

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TGhost 7 points 3 years ago

Lemmy.ml is devil they said. Who ? Capitalist's Nazis fasicts

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o1o12o21 6 points 3 years ago

Excellent move. Hope bluesky is next.

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random_prime 6 points 3 years ago

A welcome move. F**k megacorps polluting everything on internet.

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ayon 6 points 3 years ago

That’s the way to go

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BrooklynMan 6 points 3 years ago

thank you.

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Olgratin_Magmatoe 6 points 3 years ago

Good

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Jilanico 6 points 3 years ago

Great news! 👏👏👏 Hope other instances do the same.

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daniskarma 5 points 3 years ago

Meta is a dying company. Let's help they follow their natural course to oblivion

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Eikichi 5 points 3 years ago

Its Nice to hear

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giant_smeeg 5 points 3 years ago
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catfluoride 5 points 3 years ago path: 0 972897, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
d3dRabbitt 5 points 3 years ago

I am a little new to this. What do you mean by not letting them in, or blocking them? Not allowing them to create a "lemmy.threads" instance or something like that?

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sonstwas 9 points 3 years ago

Threads will support the same protocol as Lemmy (which is called ActivityHub), meaning Thread-content is accessible in Lemmy (and other services) and the other way around.

By blocking Threads no content from there will arrive here and the other way around.

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d3dRabbitt 4 points 3 years ago

Thank you for the clarification.

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Tiritibambix 5 points 3 years ago

Yes, thank you, I was anxiously looking forward to this.

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I_LOVE_VEKOMA_SLC 5 points 3 years ago

They really want their tendrils in everything, don't they?

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snor10 5 points 3 years ago

Thank you for taking a stance!

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RealityCavesIn 4 points 3 years ago

That is great news!

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BlaringSpaghetti 4 points 3 years ago

Thank you!

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FartsWithAnAccent 3 points 3 years ago

Cool.

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pikachus_ghost_uncle 3 points 3 years ago

“Sad dial up noises”

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JoeKrogan 3 points 3 years ago

Thanks 👏

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carbotect 3 points 3 years ago

Would anything change on Lemmy, even if you federate with Threads?

You follow communities here on Lemmy, while on Threads you follow people. The only way for a Lemmy user to find a Threads user, would be looking for their username directly in the search bar.

In that sense, what does a Lemmy instance gain from defederating with Meta?

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henfredemars 7 points 3 years ago

I think it's more that users and administrators don't trust Meta, and for good reason. They're driven by profit and have demonstrated repeatedly a blatant disregard for users. They have virtually unlimited resources at their disposal that could be used to potentially harm the fediverse in a number of ways.

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Cstrrider 4 points 3 years ago

Honestly I am confused by this too. If you don't federate with threads doesn't that just make it easier to grow? Personally I am more curious about Mastodon now because if people I follow on twitter move to threads I can just use mastodon and not twitter or threads...

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speaker_hat 4 points 3 years ago

In my personal opinion, Lemmy should be more focused on content rather than RAPID growth.

Growth is usually related to corporations mindset, which is a "for-profit" mindset, and unfortunately, as we seen in the past it, it comes with "by all means" attitude, results in manipulating users, make users addicted, and more actions at the expense of the users.

You'll see that when Lemmy will pile up more content, the community will naturally grow in a healthy manner.

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Cstrrider 2 points 3 years ago

I guess I didn't specify well. What I meant was if Mastodon is an ad free (or at least let ads and more private) alternative to view Threads posts, along with Mastodon posts wouldn't that reduce the number of threads accounts and reduce their growth? So wouldn't defederating actually help draw more people to threads? Plus how would defederating reduce the E/E/E process that everyone is worried about? I would think it would accelerate it or best case have no impact...

Also I think I may have replied to the wrong comment lol

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briongloid -16 points 3 years ago

Nothing, it's the same virtue signalling I was sick of seeing on Reddit and it's people celebrating taking away the choice from other users.

These nonstop threads posts has soured my Lemmy experience after a month of being extremely active here.

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GregorGizeh 5 points 3 years ago

Read up on the EEE business strategy. Read up on Cambridge analytica, on the numerous controversies surrounding Facebook enabling extremism.

Corporate power, and especially not this corporation, should not be welcome in the fediverse at large. We have nothing to gain by welcoming them. Facebook is the only one who wins.

And for your last point of mean admins taking your user choice away, this is the fediverse. I’d you don’t like it, make your own instance for corporate bootlickers and federate with them all you want

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rjh 4 points 3 years ago

At this stage it is only virtue signalling - the signal is that the larger lemmy community has no interest in interacting or co-operating with Facebook or other large anti-privacy organisations. It's that simple. You can always join a different server with different values, nobody has taken choice away from you.

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anacoluthe 3 points 3 years ago

👏

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broastbeef 3 points 3 years ago

So what’s this mean, no one can post links to threads or meta content?

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jocanib 3 points 3 years ago

Completely support .ml defederating. But most Twitter/Reddit exiles want/need a bigger network for the breadth and depth of content they got from those sites. Universal defederation does nothing but hand those users (and their data) to Meta.

I want to get Meta's data without giving them my data. If there are no instances that allow me to do that, I will cry.

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Asthmatic_Goose 9 points 3 years ago

"Most twitter/reddit exiles want/need..." Nope. You don't speak for me, I like it here.

"...Does nothing but hand those users (and their data) to Meta" OK? That's their choice to leave then, who cares?

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jocanib 6 points 3 years ago

Do you understand what the word "most" means?

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GoodEye8 7 points 3 years ago

But most Twitter/Reddit exiles want/need a bigger network for the breadth and depth of content they got from those sites. Universal defederation does nothing but hand those users (and their data) to Meta.

And? If they want to run from one corporate overlord to another that's their own prerogative. Most people here are here because they've had it with corporations fucking them. The people here don't need to compromise their worldview for the people who are either indifferent or opposing of their worldview.

I want to get Meta’s data without giving them my data. If there are no instances that allow me to do that, I will cry.

If you care so deeply about it there's a fairly simple solution, make your own instance of Lemmy and don't defederate Threads. If you feel like others also need to have that option make your instance open.

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jocanib 1 point 3 years ago

You're telling me to make my own instance because you want all instances to defederate?

Make it make sense.

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GoodEye8 3 points 3 years ago

At no point did I say I want all instances to defederate threads. I would be happy if all instances did but nobody can force all instances to defederate a specific instance. What I did I say is that if all instances do choose to defederate Threads then you can make you own instance and choose not to defederate Threads. As I just said, nobody can force you to defederate Threads from your instance. Does it make sense now?

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jocanib 0 points 3 years ago

Oh. OK. If I am forced to make my own instance, I will cry.

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nanometer 2 points 3 years ago

Nicely done!

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Mvp 2 points 10 months ago

Nice decision

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Cullen 2 points 3 years ago

NICE

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Jackolantern 2 points 3 years ago

For the purposes of discussion, can someone eli5 me on the pros and cons of federating with threads?

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Stout4689 9 points 3 years ago

A big corporation has the opportunity to tweak things without sharing, offering unique benefits for people of their server, slowly sucking up all the users. Then suddenly there is no federation, as everyone wants the unique features.

Think about web browser and chromium. Google pretty much dictates the core features of the internet now a days.

I may me way off base to be honest, just my 2 cents

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7heo 3 points 3 years ago

expired

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felis_magnetus 2 points 3 years ago

Nah, you're spot on. Let's keep this simple and not muddy the waters. If it's corporate, it's evil. All you need for a rule of thumb. There may be rare instances when this isn't the case, but I've yet to see one that lasted for long. Let's be real here, corporation's raison d'être is increasing shareholder value and dividends - inherently and inevitably incompatible with the common good.

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Dirk 2 points 3 years ago

So you need to put threads.net on you defederation list?

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dessalines 3 points 3 years ago

That's already done.

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jackpot 2 points 3 years ago

whats the threat here huh?

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McJonalds 1 point 3 years ago

content bad i leave

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slashasdf 1 point 3 years ago
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TiredNerdDad 2 points 3 years ago

Whenever I see Zuck I think of this song "Is Mark Zuckerberg a Ghost" by Nap Eyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq2YhOY55zU

Also, this is the right move. Facebook/Meta only wants to harvest our data and profit off it.

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grandel 2 points 14 hours ago

admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta.

Is threads misspelled here deliberately?

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yogthos 1 point 3 years ago

🥳

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Gamers_Mate 1 point 3 years ago

This is good news that lemmy.ml has blocked threads though I have recently seen a tankie instance show up I assume we will defederate from them as well?

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Maebbie 1 point 3 years ago

so like if i want to read threads.net can i like say i want to read it still? how would that work, like can i just bypass your ban decision you made for me or would i need an account on another server that has not banned threads.net?

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catfluoride 6 points 3 years ago path: 0 1018559 1020850, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 3
justsomeguy 6 points 3 years ago

Maybe he's not a full on idiot but just idiot curious.

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Maebbie 1 point 3 years ago

thats the case

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Maebbie 1 point 3 years ago

i dont want to have an account there, just be able to (easily) read whats there or is it wrong that its the same protocol?

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jackpot 1 point 3 years ago

based

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henfredemars 1 point 3 years ago

You all can't catch a break can you?

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10_0 1 point 3 years ago
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10_0 0 points 3 years ago
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m3t00 -2 points 3 years ago

might be okay. trust people to filter them from feeds unless blatant exploitation spam. then bye bye any improvements they might offer is probably open sourced through use of fedi libs. devs copy code all the time

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alvanrahimli -3 points 3 years ago

To be honest, I dont think this is that good of an idea. We need to stop talking about profile, but focus on the content in it. People like me could be able to follow friends and family over on threads, which could help in terms of user lock in.

Blocking them could be good idea if lemmy was big enough to compete.

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brave_lemmywinks -4 points 3 years ago

Why can't people vote for this?

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lemmychatwitpeeps -6 points 3 years ago

Can you change which lemmy server your account is on, or do i just need to make a new account on a server that doesnt ban anything? Does anyone have a recommendation on a server that allows all conversation, uninhibited?

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redditcunts -6 points 3 years ago

Can anyone point out any servers who aren't federating for folks who want threads?

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Slacker -8 points 3 years ago

Very Rare Lemmy W

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MysticSmear -8 points 3 years ago

I don’t understand this logic. Don’t we want Lemmy to be more mainstream and user friendly? Preemptively blocking any mainstream attempt to connect and bring in more users just sounds slightly petulant to me. Like I get meta = shitty company but I don’t get why we shouldn’t encourage more people joining the fediverse. And getting external help in growing it. And threads was the first mainstream olive branch that showed Lemmy, Kbin, and mastodon has legitimacy worth building infrastructure to join.

Idk blocking other people categorically from connecting just seems antithetical to the idea that it should be a decentralized system free to all to join.

But I’m new here, so maybe Im mistaken on the ethos of Lemmy.

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JoumanaKayrouz 14 points 3 years ago
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reverendz 5 points 3 years ago path: 0 954978 955452 961381, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
MysticSmear 1 point 3 years ago

I agree. But not everyone on that app are people who share greedy and hurtful ideas. Thats just extreme generalization imho.

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JoumanaKayrouz 8 points 3 years ago
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MysticSmear -7 points 3 years ago

Just feel’s antithetical to FOSS and decentralized social media. I came to Lemmy because a corporate douche was ruining Reddit because management and users had different ideas about what is and isn’t acceptable uses of that platform. Lemmy throwing up a big ol firewall because someone does it differently to them just isn’t what I expected to find here. Maybe that’s my fault. But Lemmy has a content and user drought. And I’m okay with that as long as it’s showing growth. I mean it takes a long time to build up content and communities.

But with beehaw defederating everyone they don’t like and the official Lemmy devs now basically doing the same thing to threads when the fediverse finally starts to go mainstream and attracting a wealth of new users just leaves a “throw the baby out with the bath water” impression on me.

But it seems like I’m the oddball one out here judging by the downvotes and overall negative responses from Lemmy-ers but it’s just my perspective.

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Tiritibambix 13 points 3 years ago

We want new users, but not any random users at any costs.

I'd rather see the community growing slowly but organically than adding a bunch of random people with a toxic Instagram logic.

We don't have to be 10s of millions to enjoy it here either.

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felis_magnetus 1 point 3 years ago

Organic growth is good. Growth for the sake of growth makes no sense outside an environment where you need those metrics to convince investors.

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MysticSmear 1 point 3 years ago

I would also contend that it’s good for creating more content for people to consume. Lemmy desperately needs more content to be able to provide a compelling experience for most people to put up with the cumbersome nature and awkward aspects of the fediverse.

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legion -8 points 3 years ago
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goat -9 points 3 years ago path: 0 1011080, hotness: undefined, score: -9, children: 1
CommunityLinkFixer 1 point 3 years ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

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ForgetReddit -11 points 3 years ago

Is Twitter banned as well?

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SpaceNoodle 19 points 3 years ago

Is it federated?

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Little8Lost 8 points 3 years ago

Twitter is not federated

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SpaceNoodle 16 points 3 years ago

It was a rhetorical question.

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synth -13 points 3 years ago

preemptively blocking an instance just because it’s owned by meta and not due to bad conduct is cringe as fuck

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MeetInPotatoes 5 points 3 years ago

In what universe are you living in that meta does not have a history chock full of bad conduct?! Frog, meet scorpion.

Oh, and stop misusing "cringe" while you're at it.

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synth 1 point 3 years ago

you should watch minority report

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synth 1 point 3 years ago

this is not a misuse of the word. this does make me “have an inward feeling of acute embarrassment or awkwardness.” via google and It is “so embarrassing, awkward, etc. as to cause one to cringe” via merriam webster 👍

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LifeInMultipleChoice 1 point 3 years ago

This platform is built on getting away from large corporate ownership. It would make 0 sense to allow it. Just use another instance if you want/need to see their content.

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synth 1 point 3 years ago
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money_loo -43 points 3 years ago

Okay but isn’t lemmy.ml the one that’s developed by tankies…I don’t think we should be setting our moral compass so close to theirs, guys…AKA if they think something is right it’s probably wrong…

*lmao didn’t realize I was ON the tankie server, whoops my bad. What I meant to say was tankies gooood.

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BrooklynMan 15 points 3 years ago

you’re thinking of lemmygrad.ml.

also, there’s a difference between communists and tankies. it my not seem like a big difference to many, but under real scrutiny, tankies are typically just ultranationalists who use th virtues of communism to praise dictators and autarchs and their actions, whereas those who follow the values of communism and socialism still value things like social equality, workers’ rights, and justice.

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EdgeOfToday -11 points 3 years ago

I'm not sure where you draw the line, but you don't have to look too hard to find self-described communists defending the actions of the current Russian government which is very confusing to me. From what I understand, that is a good description of the people who run lemmy.ml, and they have allegedly been deleting comments by users discussing the Ukraine war, so i wouldn't be surprised if this comment is deleted.

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BrooklynMan 3 points 3 years ago

I’m not sure where you draw the line

I was pretty clear about that in my previous comment. I can clarify if you have specific questions, however.

From what I understand, that is a good description of the people who run lemmy.ml

then I suggest that you have bad information. exactly what is the source? could you please link to it?

and they have allegedly been deleting comments by users discussing the Ukraine war, so i wouldn’t be surprised if this comment is deleted.

please link to these allegations, too, please… deleted comments are typically under the purview of community moderators (who have their own political opinions), not to the instance admins. also, especially offensive comments may be removed not for the political opinions they contain but for the manner by which they are expressed… I can’t say more without knowing all the facts, so please provide the evidence of these… allegations.

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MeetInPotatoes 1 point 3 years ago

Honestly, the person you're responding to has been responsible for at least half of the shitty and downvoted comments in this thread. I'm convinced the dude is a corporate shill astroturfing at this point.

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chris2112 15 points 3 years ago

Lemmy.ml is hosted by the developers of Lemmy; their political views are kinda irrelevant here, I don't think there's a single political party that wants MORE of Metas influence in anything

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Little8Lost 6 points 3 years ago

Please dont be so preasumptious. Because nazis think it is a good idea to stay hydrated it has to be bad? Please look at the problem and why they decided it and not on the political standpoints.
Here is a post of someone with concrete arguments why federating with meta could be bad: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/879382

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Silicon 4 points 3 years ago

I’m relatively new. What evidence is there to support this claim? I got the impression that lemmy.ml was supposed to be FOSS centric.

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money_loo 1 point 3 years ago

I mean, I googled it to be sure before I typed it, so I’m not sure where all these apologists are coming from…

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Silicon 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 953669 954197 960084 960204, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
money_loo -1 points 3 years ago

I just googled “is lemmy.ml run by tankies” “is lemmy.ml run by tankies”…and like a hundred things came up, not sure why you’re having issues.

There’s people confirming it and how they even prefer it. 🤷

*edit: links being weird, I’ll try again: https://lemmy.ml/post/54417

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