Trump wants to debate Biden 'immediately' — but president shrugs him off
2 years ago by Rapidcreek to c/politics
"Well, if I were him I’d want to debate me too. He’s got nothing else to do.”
That guy has the BEST impersonation I've ever seen, it's repulsive! Not just the voice, but the hands, the sucking air through the teeth, the head tilts and mouth movements, all spot-on. You know how you have to wonder about the mental state of horror game/movie artists looking at reference material all day? Same feeling about Shane Gillis.
Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Mark Twain
The idiot will have more experience at being an idiot and will throw nonsense and fallacies at you while you try to deflect and defend with logic and reason
There is a distinction between nonsense and lies though, and it’s not intent. Trump nonsense is closer to just insanity and dementia than lies. For telling lies, first you have to make sense.
Even his lies don't make sense at this point. They are just incoherent rambling that is indistinguishable from his "normal" incoherent rambling.
Biden declining is a win for Trumps fans though
Not at all, unless Biden specifically says WHY he wont decline.
Of course, if Biden gives the right reason then obviously all the Trump fans will vote for him instead. /s
Im not disagreeing, but trumpers will say Biden is scared and be emboldened.
Don't forget. Back in 2016, before the Conventions, Trump challenged Bernie Sanders to a debate. Bernie jumped on the idea, and Trump ran away from his own challenge.
It's a shame it didn't happen...maybe, just maybe, if Bernie had trounced Trump in a debate, there wouldn't have been that whole Bernie is unelectable/would lose to Trump idea floating so strongly, and it might've given him a better chance in the primary either time.
It wouldn't have mattered. The "unelectable" narrative was coming from the DNC leadership. Bernie was polling just fine until everyone started saying he couldn't win.
I remember all the networks showing the number of delegates he and Hillary had, and they showed all the super delegates going to Hillary. Not only had they never shown votes like that before, but the super delegates hadn't even voted at that point. It was all just based off the assumption that they would all vote for Hillary. Thumb on the scale.
At this point I see debates as pointless.
There may have been a time in this country where candidate A would have this plan for healthcare, candidate B would have that plan for healthcare, candidate A calls for more trade with Europe, candidate B favors trade with Asia etc. and issues are discussed.
These days, there's one political party and one doomsday cult. I don't think it's worth the bandwidth to broadcast.
I’ll seriously consider debating you once - no, I’m sorry: IF - you win the Republican Primary.
Can you imagine how fucking infuriating that would be to Trump?
He should instead offer to debate Haley. That would make Trump explode.
That could actually be an interesting debate.
Plotted, and executed. He just didn't succeed.
I'm not sure it will ever behoove Biden to take a position on this. Last time he was asked I think he answered that it didn't matter to him.
If Biden comes out strongly and says he is ineligible, it's just tempting SCOTUS to disagree, and have all the morons say he is scared of Trump. And obviously he won't come out and say he is eligible because that would be stupid, counterproductive and wrong.
Its a simple thing. No sitting president has debated a primary candidate. Its as simple as that. There have been upsets before in the nomination process so you don't do it. R or D, its a simple strategy that you just don't do.
He is so transparently desperate to put Haley in the rear-view mirror.
And he's already told us what he's going to do to get out of debating with Biden: He's going to insist that none of the traditional debates be held and instead they all must be Trump campaign events hosted by his sycophants rather than independently run debates. When he doesn't get his way he's going claim Biden didn't want to debate him.
He will only debate if Tucker Carlson is the moderator and it's held in Moscow
Biden should agree to that, and then when Trump lands in Moscow, Biden's not there. He just closes the borders and put his shades on from the White House.
LOL I'd love to see Trump avoiding windows in Moscow.
He would be an anti-martyr. Just a stench hanging over the GOP. Not inspiring, just a criminal scared of justice getting golden showers from cheap Russian hookers.
The debates don't even have to be on his turf, when CNN or whoever moderates it just let's him say and do whatever
Damn I would pay money to watch a live reaction from Trump on that.
I'd prefer it if all candidates had their own sound proof booth. Cut the mic and activate the window blur/block the millisecond they go over time, go off topic, deflect or just spew mouth diarrhea. And make sure it's locked, too.
For far too long people have been under the illusion that politicians try and debate in good faith and to some extent certain politicians do - Biden will spin facts into a better light or down play some issues; that's politics, right? But Trump is everything bad in politics and perhaps humanity, all wrapped into one. To give that a microphone is bad enough, but to think you can "debate" such a thing, should be someone's first and last mistake. It's pointless because there's no new perspective for Trump to bring to America's current situation; Biden knows this. In many ways, you either vote against Trump because you know what he is, or you vote for Trump because you believe what he wants you to know; he only brings "alternate facts," and again, Biden knows this.
Debates aren't part of the election process, they're part of the entertainment process. And if Biden doesn't agree to do the age-old Three Debate monkey dance, the Undecided Voter will grow angry and support the Fun Candidate instead.
Or, at least, that's a theory. There's another theory that debates are dumb nerd shit that nobody who hasn't already made up their minds watch anymore. And - much as a bunch of Senators and Governors have refused to debate during safe election years - Biden's refusal to meet Trump on national TV will actually make him Cool and Based.
It's not even "dumb nerd shit" these days. Current "debates" are little more than ways of generating soundbites. The moderators don't do moderation and they refuse to cut mics for those who aren't up. It's entertainment and propaganda/campaign marketing, not debating.
The moderators don’t do moderation and they refuse to cut mics for those who aren’t up.
You don't really need to cut mics when you control the cameras and get to edit this shit in post during the Sunday Morning Talk Shows.
The vast majority of people don't watch the debates live. They just get the reactions after the fact.
It’s entertainment and propaganda/campaign marketing, not debating.
The future of politics is a new generation of celebrity candidates. And I don't even know if that's a bad thing, considering how many of our last generation's candidates came out of a vat in the basement of some East Coast Ivy League boarding school.
The vast majority of people don't watch the debates live. They just get the reactions after the fact.
I gave up on any of em after getting annoyed at the complete lack of debate in the "debates".
The future of politics is a new generation of celebrity candidates. And I don't even know if that's a bad thing, considering how many of our last generation's candidates came out of a vat in the basement of some East Coast Ivy League boarding school.
New boss, same as the old boss. Hard to say that there will be any difference as, since the embrace of neoliberalism, there's been virtually zero politicians doing anything more than attempting to look like they're trying to do anything for the populace but are somehow completely powerless to do anything but help their bribers-erm..."lobbyists" squeeze more out of those that can barely afford anything.
you can't beat trump in a debate really. he will shit everywhere and his supports will guzzle residues. what's the point.
you can’t beat trump in a debate really.
You can. He's a B-list stand up so you bring your A-game.
But Biden isn't a professional comedian. He's not going to roast Trump in a game of The Dozens.
what’s the point.
When you've got a friendly press corps, you do a debate and let the media stunt on the opposition for you.
There's going to be a 5 second clip of one of them stumbling or mispronouncing a word, and then the next week long news cycle becomes "Does Candidate Have Alzheimer's? Here's a dozen Dr. Oz tier talking heads to tell you he might!"
But when conservatives have their own big, invasive, and professionalized hatchet men teams, there's a legit fear among Democrats that they will be more likely on the receiving end.
You can’t beat Trump in a debate because thats like beating a chimp in a hotdog eating contest. End of the day he’s just gonna throw shit at you and you’re just gonna gobble down a bunch of wieners. You won, but at what cost?
I have to disagree. You can't reasonably debate someone whose arguments aren't based in reality. Trump's tactic since 2016 has been to use whatever platform that he's been given to smear and denigrate his opponents at every opportunity and to lie about how all of the problems we face can be easily solved if only he were allowed to do it. When questioned on actual policy matters, he spouts complete nonsense that doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but since it's a fast paced debate he can make up bullshit and nobody will fact check him. Even if by some miracle the moderators do fact check him, he will turn to attack them and say they are politically biased against Trump, etc. etc.
It's a zero-win situation. Trump will never lose points for bad behavior among his base, and he only stands to benefit from the increased exposure. Biden meanwhile can't score a goal when the goalpoasts are motorized to move backwards at this point and only invites unnecessary risk of flubbing or tripping up, which will be played back on repeat on political talk shows to harm him.
I don't disagree that he could totally beat him, but when the opposition is always playing a game of Texas Sharpshooter, Trump only stands to earn bullseyes while Biden is just wasting ammo.
But when conservatives have their own big, invasive, and professionalized hatchet men teams, there’s a legit fear among Democrats that they will be more likely on the receiving end.
Which is why the Democrats should have put someone else up for re-election, someone who can defend themself well.
I agree, my political theories of what is popular in the general public is based on sigma edits. Say something dumb but put phonk or synth wave music in the background and I will agree with you.
Edit: I now support Serbian war criminals
Edit: I now support Serbian war criminals
The important thing is that you're supporting some group of War Criminals.
Moderate Rebels. Based Chads. Antifa Supersoldiers. Guys firing rockets from Yemen into the Red Sea. Guys firing rockets from Israel into Gaza. Guys driving fertilizer bombs up to the FBI building on Oklahoma. Guys dropping surplus munitions on the MOVE community center in Philly. Guys flinging pipe bombs into abortion clinics. Guys blowing up pipelines in Texas or under the Baltic Sea or anywhere that lets me fist-pump and shout "You fuckin' gottem, mate!"
Literally just anything that involves hard looking motherfuckers doing John Wick / Jason Statham shit with the highest body count imaginable.
Please just promise me that There Will Be Blood.
Exactly, doesn't everyone know casually killing people makes you cool. Especially if you're in plain clothes and the footage looks like it's from the 80s or 90s. I don't know who shot first in Waco, but I do know who looked cooler, and it's not the nerds wearing body armor.
Guys this, guys that. That's why I'm a lesbian
Oh good. We're at the "debate me, bro" phase. Love to see it. Lol
I sincerely hope Biden never takes a single debate with him, because it would be an absolute clown show, and that's exactly the kind of chaos Trump's brand thrives upon.
Trump lost every general election debate he has been in, including two against Biden. I don't know why people forget he's actually really bad at staying on message and declaring succinct points in response to specific questions, especially when he gets riled up.
That's true, but people in his camp want a spectacle, an entertaining show, not policy plans and actual governance. Putting Trump up there with Biden gives him implicit credence that he's worth debating, while Biden will be the punchline of his boorish antics.
It's true that he would lose every debate point, yet he would still come out on top because of the giant figurative megaphone he would get.
Because he makes a spectacle and enough sound bites to get the press and his supporters talking.
He makes noise, they like that he makes noise, so they like him. They dont care too much about what the noise is.
Sounds like he wants some free advertisement. The judges are shutting him off in the courts.
It's not really a debate when your opponent's metrics for winning is simply to speak more loudly, more aggressively, and to refuse to shut the fuck up more intensely than anybody else in the room.
Or my personal fav, lurking behind your opponent to try and weird them out and throw them off their game.
Okay, but that's basically every debate. Hell, that's the optimal strategy in a crowded field. Meekly sitting in the back with a pile of spreadsheets that say "I'm right" on them does nothing to galvenize public support for your policies.
Even then, Biden refusing to meet Trump on stage won't discourage Trump from doing his whistle stop Beer Hall tour. At some point, I think liberals lose sight of how important big crowds of people cheering at your approach is in a popularity contest. When Biden shows up at an event, he's greeted by a few dozen angry protesters, calling him Genocide Joe and waving big blown up pictures of dead Palestinian children. When Trump shows up at an event, he's greeted by a few dozen enthusiastic supporters, calling him the New Messiah and waving big blown up pictures of drowned children in the Rio Grande with "Win One More For the Gipper" scrawled across it.
Totally different energy at these events. Totally different reception by the party's base voters.
If Biden wants to position himself as the "Guy Who Will Protect You From Trump Who Is Worse", he's going to have to get out in front of an audience, side by side with Trump, and remind everyone of the distinction. Otherwise, he's just running in a vacuum as a mediocre President during an economic upswing, and hoping people give him credit for a rising stock market without blaming him for his party's failure to deliver on any of their major platforms in the last 40 years.
Did you miss the 2020 election when Trump had more people at his rallies than now? Biden had zero rallies because of the pandemic and won easily. Rallies don't matter.
Why give any more credibility to a pathetic loser fascist? He's doing just fine comparing himself to Elvis.
Honestly I would do it, then invite the secret third contestant Nimarata Nikki Haley, and let the two of them kick each other's ass, while Biden just eats popcorn in the middle (or smokes crack takes a dab like in the meme)
My brother in christ, he is taking a dab not smoking crack.
Okay... that is a baller line.
"nothing to do but defend himself in court" would have been better
Life does not stop and start at your convenience, you miserable piece of sh*t.
I mean, he will be, unless we get to shut him down in court. Then he's going to run the biggest write in candidacy ever seen.
I'm torn. On one hand, debates should take place to show knowledge/professionalism/action plans, etc. Also, it showcases (yet again) what a fucking idiot he is. On the other hand, he hasn't done a debate so far for this presidential race, so why start now? It's been nice hearing about him slightly less.
Also....how the fuck are debates not somehow mandatory to end up in the presidential race?
"Will you shut up, man!" Remember how their last debate played out. It'll be worse this time around.
Neither has officially won their party's respective nominations. There is plenty of time, and there will be debates.
Oh then yeah, I agree with you, Trump and Haley should debate. I'm not sure anything is gained having Biden debate any challengers.
On the other hand, he hasn't done a debate so far for this presidential race
It is way too early for R vs. D debates. Why would Biden debate him? Biden is handily beating Dean Phillips. Trump needs to defeat Haley first. It's not Biden fault Haley is still in it.
A debate would legitimize Trump. Good call.
Look at this shit:
Biden dismissed the idea.
“Well, if I were him, I’d want to debate me too,” Biden told reporters at a boba shop in Las Vegas when asked about Trump’s challenge. “He’s got nothing else to do,” Biden added.
Biden cares so little about this. Trump is like "please debate me bro" and Biden's in Vegas getting a boba tea. You can hear the sunglasses he's wearing and the smile on his face. Trump is desperate and Biden doesn't think about Trump at all.
Edit: I forgot - Trump issued his challenge on the radio to some guy named Dan Bongino. No, I don't care who he is, but I do know Trump would rather be interviewed by a blond Fox TV anchor instead of a dude on the radio.
Trump is the only guy who lost influence by becoming President. He used to be prime time news. Now he's begging for a 1 hour slot on network TV.
Have your saggy pumpkin tits debate each other, Donnie.
That's a pretty big boat 😂
But I want to see him tell Trump to shut up again :(
I guarantee you will see it if Trump doesn't run away from debates when it's actually time. Both Hillary and Biden managed to knock him off kilter with on-message insults like that. We're 50/50 to getting NO INSURRECTIONIST NO INSURRECTIONIST YOU'RE THE INSURRECTIONIST
Let me know when Trump's dementia addled brain challenges Biden to an MMA match.
Drumpf. When will we be free of this braying Jackass?
They've got a little pipeline with The Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society and all the other little billionaire-funded think tanks designed to fuck over the common person and funnel ever more money to the very richest of society while the world burns.
“Well, if I were him, I’d want to debate me too,” Biden told reporters at a boba shop ... “He’s got nothing else to do,” Biden added.
Does it go against ethics and standards to step on Dark Brandon’s dis track like that?
How about a geriatric boxing match
Are you... new here? George Washington was elected at age 57. It took until 1850 for there to be a president who was born in the 1800s. It took until 1961 for a president to be born in the 1900s.
Donald Trump is older than both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. Before them we literally had presidents born in the 1920s. Reagan was born before WW1!
Obama was the outlier. Fucking vote in every election if you don't like it.
First Gen Z president coming sometime between 2050 and 2060, got it.
Oh, I'm voting...I'm just reminding people that both sides are guilty of the same shit. The Left complains and criticizes lack of diversity within the political world, but are doing the exact same thing....nominating, supporting, and voting for some old, wealthy, white dude.....
Remind me, which one planned and executed a fascist coup?
Fuck.right.off.with.that.shit.
So sick of this BS… every presidential debate in my lifetime has been a sham. Biden should still should still do it though! No expectations of an actual debate, just point out he’s not answering any of the questions. Mock his rambling nonsense…
Right or wrong, a president can't skip debates. That's a non-starter, no matter who he/she's debating against.
Having said that, it would be an absolute shit show both ways, one struggling to talk coherently, the other ones spewing epic levels of bullshit, and most likely nothing of value coming of it at all.
But stil, having a presidential election without any debates would be the final nail in the coffin of America, as it's supposed to be.
Why not?
Because we Citizens need ways to evaluate the people who are running for office to decide which one you want to give her a vote to.
Name one presidential election cycle where no debates were done in modern times.
Morally it’s a bad move.
It would be immoral for someone running for office to not put themselves up for evaluation via debates. No one is owed blind loyalty.
Because we Citizens need ways to evaluate the people who are running for office to decide which one you want to give her a vote to.
You've had plenty of time to do so for both candidates, as both have recently held office.
Name one presidential election cycle where no debates were done in modern times.
This is moving the goal posts, and a bad way to evaluate the necessity of a given debate.
It would be immoral for someone running for office to not put themselves up for evaluation via debates. No one is owed blind loyalty.
I'm not suggesting blind loyalty. It just seems odd that you're trying to say the public won't have a chance to evaluate the options when that clearly isn't the case. Trump held office from 2016 to 2020, Biden from 2020 to 2024.
If anybody doesn't already know what these guys are about, then a debate won't solve that, as they already pay too little attention.
And besides that, the immorality of platforming insurectionists far outweighs whatever immorality could arrive in the form your suggesting.
Continuing the myth that Biden is senile when he's simply just tired and has a speech impediment undercuts just how actually senile Trump is.
https://youtu.be/xRxOldhJ7Sw?si=adFAm1dPZnmQ5VPr
You can see him stutter in this, it's from 1987. You can't hear it, but if you're familiar with stuttering and how people are able to work around their stutter then you can definitely recognize it here. The extra mouth movements before each word are stutters.
Speech impediment is what liberals tell themselves when they see obvious signs of mental degradation. This must be exactly the same mental gymnastics Republicans did when Reagan was obviously declining.
He is a pedo, unwanted and uninvited touching and groping is assault
The rock you are dying on... Is about his stuttering? Lol.
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There is no upside to Biden debating him. Trump will just spout nonsense to get sound bites
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