What is something many people believe but is not true?

3 years ago by GatoB to c/asklemmy

this 48 points 3 years ago

At the risk of upsetting people, most if not all religions. They can't all be right.

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CookieJarObserver 12 points 3 years ago
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lvxferre 6 points 3 years ago

I think that a lot of Atheists oversimplify religion. (NB: I'm Atheist myself.)

"True" and "false" only apply to statements about reality (epistemic). And sure, religion has a lot of them: "God exists", "if you fornicate you'll go to Hell", "the world was created in seven days" etc. I think that most of them are false.

However a religion isn't just its epistemic statements. It's also morals, practices/rituals, and a community. Those things cannot be true or false, because they are not statements about reality. You need another ground to refer to them, as "good" vs. "bad" (deontic).

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OddFed 7 points 3 years ago
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lvxferre 5 points 3 years ago

I'm aware - and that's part of my reasoning.

Atheism itself isn't even a whole set of epistemic statements. It's lack of belief in one statement. It doesn't imply any sort set of values (like nihilism, secular humanism, satanism... or even the ones from the religions), nor give you any practice (no mass, no "it's Salah time, drop what you're doing for a prayer"), nor it makes you part of a community (much more than "we don't believe in centaurs, we should hang around togerther" would).

And Atheists often transpose that into religion, oversimplifying it into "you believe in one or more gods". But religion was never just that, it's a lot more things. And most of those things can be good or bad, healthy or unhealthy, but not true or false.

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OddFed 1 point 3 years ago
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Dubois_arache 5 points 3 years ago

haha it depends, for religious people their credence is everything in their life, is their true. Of course I am with development of reason and science, but, as Adorno said once, if you retire a system of credence from people who have not known something more than religion, their entire life loose all its content... that's why I also learned to be more shy to argue about others people religious feelings, believings, because it is something very respected and symbolized. Also, Hegel said that religious thought is like a "phase" of "society thought", a phase that has be to analized and lived by every person (and lived by the society itself)...

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this 8 points 3 years ago

Yea I more or less agree with that sentiment. I myself am an athiest but I view religion in general as a coping mechanism, and real or not if you take away coping mechanisms then you risk doing actual harm to people(psychologically), which is why I try to be as anti-evangelical and secular as I can. I just wish people would stop using it as justification for the shitty things they do. I wouldn't mind more people thinking like I do but they have to come to that conclusion on their own.

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sup 3 points 3 years ago

I have the same thought, and is the primary reason why I'm agnostic. I commented this elsewhere in this thread that might be relevant here too:

I'm an agnostic and I read this book called "The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch. The author is a man of science and approaches this problem from a (semi) scientific perspective.

Over the course of the book, he makes hypotheses and challenges them and eventually arrives at a theory that seems a workable explanation of the state of the world and religion in general.

It's a very interesting read and I would 100% recommend it.

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potcandan 36 points 3 years ago

I always think about when I was taught about taste and the human tongue back in grade school, they had these diagrams about zones on the tongue corresponding to sweet, sour, bitter, etc. like a "taste map". I'm not sure how many generations were taught about it but turns out it just isn't true at all. So, not like it's important but you got a lot of misinformed folks out there in regards to taste lol

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ilost7489 8 points 3 years ago

I wonder why they teach it too. Why teach misleading information that has no benefit but give people a wrong impression on how taste works

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Mars 14 points 3 years ago

Most school science is oversimplification by design. It’s part of the learning process. Yo first learn colors, then when you are ready can learn about wavelengths, color spaces, biology of the eye, color psicology and many many other knowledge fields.

Even when you get into the anatomy of the eye you get “false” information, like the “perfect” cones that only percibe one color, or the misconception that every color is equal. More advanced education gives you more context and nuances.

In the taste and tongue case can be useful to explain that senses are the product of discrete sensors. That you don’t taste with your tongue but with specialized little taste buds. The different concentrations are mostly real, so the tongue map is a first step, even being so so far from the objetive and complex truth.

The problem is people that think they only need whatever high school education they got to be experts in pandemics, gender, biological sex, business, economics, history, politics and everything else.

Take note that I’m not only talking about a formal education. You can really learn a lot (most things? Maybe everything?) by yourself. But you have to be critical with your sources. You have to know how to learn. You have to understand how little you know about everything and how much you still have to learn.

Most “do your own research” people in the internet do not do actual research, don’t know how to do research and I don believe they know what research is.

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potcandan 2 points 3 years ago

I guess a combination of things. Bad early science that was easy to present in a little diagram. Then when it's disproved, nothing similar to replace it with but the unglamorous fact that it all just sort of tastes the same.

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Swintoodles 6 points 3 years ago

That always confused me as a child, since it was super easy to just test it for yourself. Turned out salt tasted salty regardless of where on your tongue it was, the same for the rest of the flavors.

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potcandan 4 points 3 years ago

Yup I remember thinking to myself at the time that I must be tasting incorrectly or somehow my tongue is different from everyone else lol.

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Kissaki 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 16765 32432, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
Ordoviz 32 points 3 years ago path: 0 17509, hotness: undefined, score: 32, children: 6
RoundSparrow 7 points 3 years ago

... people say they have visual photographic memories, and I know musicians who can sit at a piano and play a song they only heard one time. But I don't have any idea of the percentage of people who have these talents.

With !neurodivergence@beehaw.org you can clearly find patterns of minds who have problems with language processing. I personally do better with reading than I do auditory language.

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sotimely 5 points 3 years ago

the internet is full of people with problems with language processing 😃

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ClammyMantis488 6 points 3 years ago

Wait does that mean I'm just dumb?

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animist 5 points 3 years ago

Man I was taught this shit when I got my education degree then later learned it's bullshit. Made me so mad

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dogmuffins 3 points 3 years ago

Thinking that there are different learning styles probably helps poor teachers develop better content though.

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StoneBleach 2 points 3 years ago

Exactly.

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LecternCistern 30 points 3 years ago

They are good drivers.

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animist 1 point 3 years ago

Hey now

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StoneBleach 27 points 3 years ago

That looking too closely at the screen will blind you or damage your eyes. This myth originated decades ago in the 1960s from an advertisement by a television manufacturer. Basically in 1967 General Electric reported that their color TVs were emitting too many x-rays due to a factory error, so health officials recommended keeping children and pretty much anyone else at a safe distance from the screen. The problem was soon resolved, but the myth endured.

If you ask me I would say that x-ray radiation has little to do with going blind, I have no idea if radiation can actually make you blind, but it's funny how somehow eye diseases got in the way as the only possible consequences in the myth just because we use our eyes to watch TV.

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Inductor 16 points 3 years ago

CRT screens generate bremsstrahlung (x-rays) from slowing electrons, so the front piece of glass is normally made of lead glass, or barium-strontium glass to block it.
After the General Electric incident, testing showed that nearly every manufacturers TVs were emitting too many x-rays. This led to the recommendation to stay 6 ft. away from the TV when it was on. The FDA then later imposed limits on how much radiation a TV was allowed to emit.
With the these regulations, if you were to absorb all x-rays from a CRT for 2 hours a day, every day, you would get 320 millirem per year (comparable to the average US background radiation of 310 millirem per year). See here, as well as this article.
Edit: Also, significant doses of x-rays can blind you. Radiologists in medicine particularly have to shield against it, since they are exposed to it every day, and exposure builds up. See here and here.
Edit again: Wasn't paying enough attention. That last source talks about ionizing radiation specifically, so not x-rays.

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argv_minus_one 7 points 3 years ago

Good ol' desktop particle accelerators.

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fomo_erotic 7 points 3 years ago

Mmm. I worked on CRT screens when I was in the US Navy and had some CRT monitors in the past.

After a long session, my eyeballs 100% felt 'burnt' inside.

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ancedactyl 27 points 3 years ago

That the average person will swallow 8 spiders a year in their in their sleep.

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EponymousBosh 12 points 3 years ago

Spiders Georg really threw the average off

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fomo_erotic 6 points 3 years ago

Every one knows that its closer to 1000 spiders.

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Martin 26 points 3 years ago

That they're right. You should be able to question your own opinions. A lost art, it seems

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argv_minus_one 4 points 3 years ago

Beware of imposter syndrome, though. Believing you're infallible is unhealthy, but so is the opposite.

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GatoB 3 points 3 years ago

This

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branchial 24 points 3 years ago

You have to completely decharge batteries before recharging them.

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jmcs 22 points 3 years ago

For modern lithium batteries, that is even harmful for the battery.

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CookieJarObserver 6 points 3 years ago
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GatoB 13 points 3 years ago

I think it depends on the battery type but I am not sure

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branchial 14 points 3 years ago

Yeah it's a thing for Nickel-Cadmium batteries which aren't used much anymore.

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Adi2121 23 points 3 years ago

Nearly anything abouth Pre-Columbian North and South America. Turns out, there was no homogeneous "Native" culture, just as there was no "European" culture. Every different group had their own traditions and stories. They all were complex people, not one-dimensional savages or pacifists. We should simply view them as any other people.

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TheOubliette 22 points 3 years ago

That by not being ridiculously overtly bigoted, they have actually interrogated and rejected their own bigotry. The former is basic and mostly relies on social conditioning. The latter requires reading history and people who are criticizing things with which you may identify and therefore take very personally. The latter is not taught in school and school does not provide the tools (outside of literacy) to do so, so it's a difficult, painful, abd regrettably rare thing to see, usually requiring sone trauma to change.

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CoinOperatedBoi 6 points 3 years ago

Going through the process of discovering I was trans and surrounding myself with trans people really made me re-examine how little work I’d done on issues of race, among other things. So many of the little passive aggressive things I found myself getting annoyed at cis people doing, I also found myself doing to people of color. Nothing particularly awful, but definitely inconsiderate.

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Martin 2 points 3 years ago

In this regard I'm probably an ignorant simpleton, so what would be an example of common behavior that people think is fine but is in fact inconsiderate or offensive to others?

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TheOubliette 0 points 3 years ago

100%! And it's structurally ingrained, so it involves a very un-fun process of relearning certain habits that don't feel that bad until you force doses of empathy on yourself, the latter of which I think is in the neighborhood of your experience. It means you have to criticize, forgive, and change yourself, which I personally don't enjoy even though it's so important.

PS happy pride!

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Pisck 6 points 3 years ago

Pffffft maybe you, but I don't have cognitive biases! Anchor pricing doesn't work on me either because, raises nose, I know all about it.

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Dubois_arache 21 points 3 years ago

That global warming is not true, but they are totally taken by right-wing extremist propaganda.

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Billy_Gnosis 20 points 3 years ago

The government is looking out for your best interests

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visnudeva 0 points 3 years ago
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argv_minus_one 0 points 3 years ago

It will if everyone votes for politicians willing to do so. We get the government we vote for.

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slugbones 5 points 3 years ago

"Go Vote!" Rings more and more hollow every day we have watch the country crumble. I am begging you to think outside the box of electoral politics because it is where dreams go to die.

Nobody voted to put kids to work at meatpacking plants and we will almost assuredly not be allowed to vote on a solution but there are children suffering dangerous jobs right now. The capitalists that run the country do not care about your votes they care about profits and they have so many more resources than us to tip things in their favor.

Voting has not and never will be enough. It is literally the bare minimum you can do and you should not pat yourself on the back for it.

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CannotSleep420 4 points 3 years ago

Bourgeois democracy, although a great historical advance in comparison with medievalism, always remains, and under capitalism is bound to remain, restricted, truncated, false and hypocritical, a paradise for the rich and a snare and deception for the exploited, for the poor.

--Lenin

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argv_minus_one 3 points 3 years ago

I am begging you to think outside the box of electoral politics because it is where dreams go to die.

I assure you I've thought long and hard about this.

Nobody voted to put kids to work at meatpacking plants

Ah, but they did. Politicians talk about doing that and people still vote for them. That's the whole problem.

Voting has not and never will be enough. It is literally the bare minimum you can do and you should not pat yourself on the back for it.

The alternative is violent revolution. If you'll study history, you'll observe that most violent revolutions result in either failure (in which case the revolutionaries are all executed) or a brutal dictatorship that no one can meaningfully challenge (see Mao, Stalin, etc). Very rarely does violent revolution have a result that could be reasonably called positive. The 1776 revolution in what would become the United States is a historical anomaly, and there is no good reason to believe that doing it again would have the same positive result.

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slugbones -1 points 3 years ago

If you think I was trying to tell you to pick up a weapon and charge at the govt you truly haven't thought about anything beyond the box.

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bigbox 1 point 3 years ago

But what if every option is corrupt?

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argv_minus_one 1 point 3 years ago

Then there isn't sufficient demand for non-corrupt candidates, so non-corrupt people aren't bothering to run.

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bigbox 1 point 3 years ago

How can voters show demand for non-corrupt candidates if their only options to vote on are corrupt candidates? How can we change this?

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SkepticElliptic 19 points 3 years ago

That cold water will boil faster than warm water.

It's a confusion. You should always cook with cold tap water, not hot, because hot tap water can contain excessive amounts of lead.

There are several instances where hot water can freeze faster than lukewarm water. I believe people saw this on shows such as Bill Nye and then forgot the specifics.

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OsrsNeedsF2P 8 points 3 years ago

Wait what's this about hot water and lead? I love me some hot showers, is it making me dumb?

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Inductor 8 points 3 years ago

According to the Minnesota Department of Health, if your house was built before 1940, then you should let the water run for 3-5 minutes before drinking it or cooking with it. Showering is probably fine, since they recommend doing showering and running the dishwasher first as one way to let the water run before cooking.
This should especially apply if the water has been sitting in the pipes for a long time (e.g. after a holiday).

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SkepticElliptic 3 points 3 years ago

If you have a standing hot water tank it will build up with minerals and other stuff over time, it can also harbor bacteria. It's safe for washing with, but you shouldn't make a habit of consuming it.

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Dasnap 2 points 3 years ago

It's to add extra flavor.

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CmdrShepard 1 point 3 years ago

I dunno if it contains lead so much as it contains extra minerals from sitting in your waterheater.

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gnuhaut 2 points 3 years ago

I will believe that warm water freezes faster only if I see it with my own eyes. It just goes against everything I know about thermodynamics.

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conrad82 6 points 3 years ago

I heard hot water freeze faster when thrown in freezing cold air, because it evaporates faster - making smaller droplets and increasing the surface area

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gnuhaut 1 point 3 years ago

Right, I can believe that. I was thinking of making ice cubes, which is also something I heard.

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cnschn 2 points 3 years ago

This is actually a thing, it's called the Mpemba effect. It's hella weird (that's the scientific term), but can be reproduced in experiments.

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SkepticElliptic 2 points 3 years ago

It requires very specific circumstances. Given the same ambient temperature hot water will cool at a faster rate than cooler water because of the greater temperature differential.

Hot water will lose more mass as more will evaporate as it cools.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpemba_effect

It's one of those "wacky" physics facts.

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gnuhaut 3 points 3 years ago

In 2016, Burridge and Linden defined the criterion as the time to reach 0 °C (32 °F; 273 K), carried out experiments, and reviewed published work to date. They noted that the large difference originally claimed had not been replicated, and that studies showing a small effect could be influenced by variations in the positioning of thermometers: "We conclude, somewhat sadly, that there is no evidence to support meaningful observations of the Mpemba effect."

I'm with those guys.

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mrmanager 19 points 3 years ago

That there are heroic countries in the world.

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CookieJarObserver 16 points 3 years ago
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animist 8 points 3 years ago

I mean define heroic, it's super subjective

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meliache 17 points 3 years ago path: 0 15594, hotness: undefined, score: 17, children: 0
argv_minus_one 17 points 3 years ago

“The human eye can only see 30 [or 60] frames per second.” Truth is, there are some events only 1ms long that a human eye can see, so the real upper limit is [edit: at least] 1000 frames per second. There are diminishing returns, but there is plenty to be gained by getting to at least a significant fraction of that limit.

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Venus 14 points 3 years ago

so the real upper limit is 1000 frames per second.

This is basically the same misconception just kicked further down the road. The truth is that the human eye simply does not see in any way similarly to the way a camera sees and can't be compared. There is no upper limit.

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WhoRoger 2 points 3 years ago

There certainly is a limit. The sensitivity of light-sensitive cells is finite, the speed of transfer through the optics nerve is finite, and the speed with which information can be processed is finite.

Furthermore it needs to be synced to at least some extend, so information needs to be discarded to limit noise, echos and ghosts, not unlike how VSync limits what can be displayed.

It's more advanced than that, variable and individual, but there certainly are limits. I doubt that the "eye framerate" could go over 1000 fps in any way other than noise.

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Venus 5 points 3 years ago

There is not a limit in anything similar to framerate.

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nodiet 4 points 3 years ago

And even if that were true, you would still benefit from a higher framerate because a) in games, you get lower input latency, and b) modern displays have an aweful lot of persistence blur which causes things in motion to appear less sharp. This effect is smaller the higher your framerate is.

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nik282000 4 points 3 years ago

The eye-brain system is totally analog. The shortest perceivable events have to do with how bright they are and how depleted the photo-receptors are in your retina. You could see a single 1/1000s pulse in a dark room but a 1kHz square wave would appear to be a continuous light.

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CannotSleep420 16 points 3 years ago

That the 13^th^ amendment outlawed slavery.

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cnschn 16 points 3 years ago

That "Nike" rhymes with "Bike".

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butter 8 points 3 years ago

I will start pronouncing bike like nike

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Hagarashi8 2 points 3 years ago

Wait, it's not pronounced like that?

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nadiaraven 3 points 3 years ago

No, it's pronounced in two syllables, as so: "Ni-key", with the first syllable pronouncing the I as in the word "I". It's named after the Greek goddess of victory.

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Hagarashi8 4 points 3 years ago

Ok, i pronounced Nike wrong for entirety of my life. Thanks for info.

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cnschn 1 point 3 years ago

I like pointing people to how they pronounce "Penelope", it's a similar thing. Although calling people with that name ~"Penny-Lobe" would be fun!

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7heo 2 points 3 years ago

Now the question remains: will you pronounce the "Bi" of "Bike" like "Be" or "By"? :D

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CoinOperatedBoi 1 point 3 years ago

True, it doesn’t rhyme with “Nike”. It does cough through the tough bough, though

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fratermus 16 points 3 years ago
  1. "your money" is in an account at the Social Security administration.
  2. police have a duty of service toward any particular citizen
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flipcoder 16 points 3 years ago

That the first amendment and free speech are the same thing

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Rhabuko 14 points 3 years ago

Birds!

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PanaX 12 points 3 years ago

I know it's low hanging fruit, but religion.

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CrownCrafter 3 points 3 years ago

I think what does it for me, is that they can't be all right at the same time. That implies, that atleast one is wrong.

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RoundSparrow 5 points 3 years ago

“All religions are true but none are literal.”
"mythology is not a lie, mythology is poetry, it is metaphorical."

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sup 1 point 3 years ago

I like this. I'm an agnostic and I read this book called "The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch. The author is a man of science and approaches this problem from a (semi) scientific perspective.

Over the course of the book, he makes hypotheses and challenges them and eventually arrives at a theory that seems a workable explanation of the state of the world and religion in general.

It's a very interesting read and I would 100% recommend it. It's been a while since I read it, but his theory at the end is not very different from your comment.

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cypherpunks 11 points 3 years ago path: 0 21986, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 0
bdonvr 11 points 3 years ago

You'd be shocked at how many people think the moon's phases are caused by earth's shadow

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Jaximus 3 points 3 years ago

I mean, this is not that hard to imagine. Its like saying that most people believe pineapples grow on trees.

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bdonvr 5 points 3 years ago path: 0 15698 17680 17758, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
Pwnstar 3 points 3 years ago

I've never even thought about it, had to go read about it!

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ada 10 points 3 years ago

That trans women on hormones have a significant advantage in sports

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AnagrammadiCodeina 12 points 3 years ago

From: https://www.bbc.com/sport/61346517

*Tucker: When boys reach the age of 13-14, things start to change physically and we see increased muscle mass, bone density; [it] changes the shape of the skeleton, changes the heart and the lung, haemoglobin levels, and all of those things are significant contributors to performance.

Lowering the testosterone has some effect on those systems, but it's not complete, and so for the most part, whatever the biological differences are that were created by testosterone persist even in the presence of testosterone reduction - or, if I put that differently, even after testosterone levels are lowered.

It leaves behind a significant portion of what gives males sporting performance advantages over females.*

So i guess it depends on when the transition happens?

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ada 15 points 3 years ago

Nah. There's a million studies that look at isolated physical traits, but mostly have one of two common problems. 1) they are often written by people with an explicitly anti trans inclusion bias and 2) they look at physical traits in isolation without attempting to quantify if and how those traits apply to sports.

If trans women can out perform cis women, it only takes one to set a women's world record, yet that just doesn't happen. There are often articles claiming this has happened, but when you look closer, it turns out that they're talking about age/regional/federation specific records that are mis presented as world records.

If trans women out perform cis women, we should expect to see them more likely to end with podium finishes than the cis women they're competing with. It should be pretty trivial to gather the data and show that advantage. But it doesn't happen, because the truth is, trans women are on average, more likely to under perform compared to cis women.

No study that looks at a trait in isolation and makes educated guesses about the effect of hormone replacement on that trait is ever going to tell you how real world sporting outcomes will be impacted.

The only thing that will tell you that is actual real world sporting results, and the limited results we have so far don't show any hint of an advantage. If it is in there, it's small enough that it's not immediately obvious. We both know that if it was obvious, the media would be screaming it from the hills.

Some numbers. There are 50,000 athletes in the Olympics each year. From memory, there have been 4 or 5 Olympics in which trans people have been able to participate. So, that's at least 200,000 athletes participating in that time. Now, trans people make up 1% of the population. Lets say that trans people are 10x less likely to get involved in sports though due to external factors. Using those numbers, 1 in 1000 of those 200,000 athletes should have been trans, which comes out 200. Lets say trans people are 100 times less likely to participate in sports. Even then, we should have seen 20 trans athletes. And those athletes should have got more gold medals than you would expect. Instead, we have had exactly 1 trans woman athlete in that time, and she came last in her event.

That's what people are afraid of.

No amount of articles about testosterone and puberty change the reality that people are trying to exclude a vulnerable minority to solve a problem they can't even show to exist in the first place.

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animist 7 points 3 years ago

This was extremely informative, thank you!

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AnagrammadiCodeina 2 points 3 years ago

Regarding the number part: what if there were athletes that did not come out yet? (I don't know how it works, totally ignorant on the matter)

Then for the rest I see what you mean. I guess my opinion as a science guy is to do more tests (like, let them openly compete, more data more sense)

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ada 5 points 3 years ago

Regarding the number part: what if there were athletes that did not come out yet?

I'm specifically talking about trans women on hormone replacement therapy here. There is no significant movement towards including trans women not on hormone replacement in women's sport at elite levels.

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Borgzilla 10 points 3 years ago

Wearing a cap will make you go bald.

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LinkOpensChest_wav 11 points 3 years ago

There are a lot of misconceptions about hair growth. Another one is the myth that if you shave, the hair will grow back thicker.

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misnina 9 points 3 years ago

People believe that picking 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 as your lottery ticket numbers is insane, because that would have a insanely low/lucky chance of being picked like that. If all numbers are chosen randomly, it is the same chance. No matter any combination of any numbers chosen, 1 ticket has 1 in 13,983,816 chance of being the jackpot numbers. (For US Powerball, specifically)

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Skwalin 13 points 3 years ago

However, don't the odds of splitting your winnings increase if you pick something more likely to be chosen by others?

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misnina 2 points 3 years ago

Well yeah, but splitting winnings is secondary to actually winning. With the amount of people who religiously avoid sequential numbers, I guess you'd have less odds for picking it with someone? 'Cause at least here, the quick lotto ticket where they pick numbers for you avoids sequential numbers for this very brain worm that isn't true.

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jannis 9 points 3 years ago

The Bibel

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Ghast 2 points 3 years ago

I'll add that most people think Noah took two of each animal onto the ark. It was seven of the male and female of the clean animals, and two of the male and the female of the unclean animals.

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stappern 8 points 3 years ago

Religions/God

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user -3 points 3 years ago

Well thats's up yo personal belief more so than anything. We can't really prove nor disprove deities, so we can't really argue either side of that debate fully.

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stappern 11 points 3 years ago

well no, its not an equal position. we have 0 evidence of the existence of a god. we have a lot of evidence that there is no need for a god.

otherwise somebody could claim that santa claus is possible ebcause it wasnt disproven. you cant disprove things that dont exist.

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OhSnapKracklePopped 3 points 3 years ago

There is a huge different between “god doesn’t exist” and “proven there is no need for a god.”

Depending who you ask, there is plenty of evidence. And you don’t even need to ask the Ken Ham’s of the world—there’s literally dedicated fields of study in philosophy arguing this.

The whole “one bad apple spoils the bunch” comes from a series Descartes’ essays trying to figure out if God can be real.

Plus, everyday people have experiences that they interpret as religious events. Coincidence, whatever, that could apply—you can’t, with 100% certainty prove them wrong. You can only assume based off the information you have and your preconceived notions of the world.

Religion is complicated. People’s faith makes it even moreso.

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stappern 2 points 3 years ago

Evidence don't change based on "who you ask".

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user 0 points 3 years ago

Well I honestly see no reason to try and disprove religions. Some of them do have fucked traditions, yes, but trying to invalidated one's faith is just sad.

As for the Santa part, I can't really argue against that. But for my own sake I'm going to keep pretending he's real, as that's more comforting that the thought of a crackhead breaking into my house and stealing nothing but cookies.

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stappern 2 points 3 years ago

i think its sad to want to convince people of things that are not real for financial gain :)

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OddFed 6 points 3 years ago
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stappern 0 points 3 years ago

this, is a bit sad that it always comes down to this.... its really not how logic works we determine if things are possible based on evidence. Not the lack of evidence... you can never prove something that doesnt exist, doesnt..

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OhSnapKracklePopped 1 point 3 years ago

Logic is used in the court of law and it’s completely reliant on evidence missing to prove innocence.

Hence, “there is zero evidence that the defendant was in the location at the time of the crime which proves their innocence.”

Adding: I mean, the biggest evidence some people have is that something can’t come from nothing. We have no proof of where our something started or came from (for all we know it’s a game of marbles), so their theory is just as valid as anyone else’s until proven otherwise.

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Geostorm 7 points 3 years ago

Antipsychotics are believed to prevent violence. It causes sleepiness, but I have seen multiple fights on them. FDA gives some black box warning for increasing danger to self or others.

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jadedctrl 7 points 3 years ago

That you shouldn't drink milk when you're sick. As it turns out, a bit of dairy won't kill you!

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saegor 6 points 3 years ago path: 0 15419, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 1
Dubois_arache 6 points 3 years ago

Free will in the neoliberal system is how much do you have to access to everything through money.

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hmn 5 points 3 years ago

That ivermectin is a hazardous medicine..

It's actually donated by Merck since 1970's to African countries to fight river-blindness! The safety profile is well established and it's safe. https://mectizan.org/

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CountryBreakfast 6 points 3 years ago

The problem was that people were taking the variation that was not specifically for humans.

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gnuhaut 5 points 3 years ago

Also taking a toxic drug that is meant to kill parasites surely has side effects, so you maybe should not give it to people who don't need it, especially if they're already sick.

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hmn -7 points 3 years ago

imo, There's too many "probably"s in your reply

im thinking; if they were so concerned about safety, they should also not start prescribing asperin from the getgo, for the same reasons they banned ivermectin, not knowing how the body would react. (Remember ivermectin safety is also already documented since 1970)

Actually, asperin is imo also contraversial, as scientific literature can't come to a single conclusion. one of those studies warning against using asperin

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hmn -1 points 3 years ago

i'd make that:

The problem was that people were taking the variation that was not specifically for humans because authorities denied them access to the variation for human use.

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nik282000 4 points 3 years ago

WiFi/Cell phones give you cancer. Both devices operated in the microwave spectrum, at or below 1 watt of power. That's about the same amount of power as the flashlight on your phone but in a wavelength so unenergetic that you can't even see it. You could put the phone in your mouth and get absorb less energy than just walking outside into the sun.

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JillyB 2 points 3 years ago

I get your point but the sun does give you cancer.

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GNUgit 1 point 3 years ago

Hmm, that sweet glow of Atom

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unnecessarily 4 points 3 years ago

Americans: You’re not tired after eating Thanksgiving dinner because of tryptophan in the turkey, you’re tired because you ate a lot of food.

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tubbadu 3 points 3 years ago

That you own your PC

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lightstream 14 points 3 years ago

I'm gonna guess you're a Windows user :D

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tubbadu 1 point 3 years ago

Not exactly :P

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DidacticDumbass 5 points 3 years ago

You may not be a Linux user, but everyone is a Minix user!

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tubbadu 3 points 3 years ago

Open source OS Gang!

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argv_minus_one 2 points 3 years ago

Only if your CPU is Intel.

That Minix-based embedded operating system that Intel CPUs all have is a huge attack surface that can be attacked by anyone capable of sending network packets to the machine, it cannot be protected by the operating system's firewall, the public cannot audit its code, and it doesn't receive security updates if your motherboard is more than a few years old. Quite frankly, I find it terrifying and refuse to buy Intel because of it.

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CookieJarObserver 6 points 3 years ago
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0xc0ba17 3 points 3 years ago

Your PC or your OS?

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tubbadu 2 points 3 years ago

I'd say your PC if you use certain OSs

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purpleball 1 point 3 years ago

That humans use 10% of our brains. We use 100%. Intelligence is correlated with the type of brain matter present.

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Arctichawk1 1 point 3 years ago
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GarbageShootAlt2 0 points 3 years ago

That people were killed in Tiananmen Square itself, that the soldiers were the first ones to kill, and that the death toll was something like 10,000. It gets played up on Reddit because of red scare propaganda and plain old chauvinism.

I wasn't going to say that at first [simply because it's a bit obnoxious] but since other people are courting drama and I was collecting links from another conversation so it's convenient to do, so I'll repost them here:

There was a great deal of violence and many students (along with other protestors, as well as the militants and soldiers) died, so I'll mark each link with an appropriate content warning, though that's mostly because the last one is rough, while the ones before it are unlikely to cause people issues.

First, here are video interviews with some of the former student leaders, the first one with Chai Ling actually being before the incident took place. There is some gunfire and yelling that a western news program uses for "ambience", but nothing is shown. Chai Ling describes a bloody scene, though that specific scene is patently fictional (this is established by the others who are interviewed).

Next is an article which discusses the subject, partly quoting student leaders above. It describes violence in broad strokes but doesn't have any pictures. It also talks about statements made by a British reporter who was there.

Third, here is secondary reporting leaked on documents from the US Embassy in Beijing and the actual report from a Latin American diplomat that was leaked. The latter revealing contains in its summary: "ALTHOUGH THEIR ACCOUNT GENERALLY FOLLOWS THOSE PREVIOUSLY REPORTED, THEIR UNIQUE EXPERIENCES PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSIGHT AND CORROBORATION OF EVENTS IN THE SQUARE." (source text is all caps). There is very little description of violence, just mention of gunfire being present, people being wounded, etc.

{Caution} Lastly, here's an article written arguing that the event is misrepresented in mass media. I link it mainly because it includes photographic evidence that is very difficult to argue with for reasons beyond it being difficult to look at. Graphic depiction of stripped corpses of soldiers that were strung up after death.

Obviously there's more than this, but these were the links I collected recently. Chai Ling says things that are even more unhinged in footage I think they excluded from that excerpt of the interview.

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Goronmon 1 point 3 years ago

{Caution} Lastly, here’s an article written arguing that the event is misrepresented in mass media. I link it mainly because it includes photographic evidence that is very difficult to argue with for reasons beyond it being difficult to look at. Graphic depiction of stripped corpses of soldiers that were strung up after death.

"Here are photos that show things other than soldiers shooting civilians proving that soldiers didn't shoot civilians!" isn't as convincing as you might think it is. And wow, that article doesn't even pretend to not be straight up propaganda.

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GarbageShootAlt2 2 points 3 years ago

No one, myself included, said that soldiers didn't shoot civilians. Soldiers did shoot civilians. The purpose of the photos is to establish that there was killing of soldiers prior to that point that was evidence of a (likely small) group of very aggressive militants among a faction of the protestors, ones who seemed to be intent on instigating violence. The event was much more complicated than soldiers firing into a crowd in cold blood, and as internal reporting that I linked above mentioned, many people repudiated the image painted in westerners' minds of soldiers wantonly firing into a crowd of huddled protestors. Their aim plainly was not to kill the peaceful protestors but to capture or kill militants who demonstrated a willingness to kill in cold blood. The civilians who were killed were caught up in that crossfire.

The photos are helpful, but beyond that I think the strongest source are those reports from the US embassy and LA diplomat and the interviews with the student leaders themselves. I would encourage you to look at those.

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Goronmon 1 point 3 years ago

Their aim plainly was not to kill the peaceful protestors but to capture or kill militants who demonstrated a willingness to kill in cold blood. The civilians who were killed were caught up in that crossfire.

Let's assume you are right that soldiers never purposefully shot civilians as their main goal. Unless you are claiming that these "militants" were fighting with their own guns, I don't see how firing blindly into groups of protestors with firearms is that much better?

But I don't believe that violence against the protestors was never part of the plan. Just like in the US I would never put it past the government to use violence, "accidental" or otherwise, as part of a scenario to suppress a large-scale protest movement.

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GarbageShootAlt2 1 point 3 years ago

The militants among the protestors did have petrol bombs and they took guns from at least one flamed-out APC, and the soldiers didn't know what else they had. Beyond that, the soldiers still weren't firing blindly into groups of protestors, read the links I posted, even just the brief report from the Latin American diplomat.

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CoinOperatedBoi -6 points 3 years ago

GOOD POST

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yogthos -2 points 3 years ago

The Russiagate https://jacobin.com/...

edit: all the people being mad and downvoting just goes to underscore that once people internalize nonsense, no amount of evidence will change their minds

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SakamotoSan -5 points 3 years ago

Gun control benefitting them

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RoundSparrow 0 points 3 years ago

Why limit that to just gun weapons. Do you think nuclear proliferation rules benefits Iran and North Korea?

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CookieJarObserver 1 point 3 years ago
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argv_minus_one -3 points 3 years ago

How else can we stop all the shootings?

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SakamotoSan 0 points 3 years ago

When did gun control ever stop any shootings? 🤦‍♂️

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argv_minus_one 1 point 3 years ago

The rest of the developed world has gun control and doesn't seem to have this problem.

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Dubois_arache -13 points 3 years ago

Global warming, but it is totally propaganda-based stupidity

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pineapple 20 points 3 years ago

Global warming, but it is totally propaganda-based stupidity

You don't have to trust everything you read online or see on TV to notice for your own self that the weather is getting weird in recent years, compared to how it used to be. Typically warmer, and it's happening pretty much no matter where you live.

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Dubois_arache 11 points 3 years ago

sorry, in fact, i wanted to say the total opposed. Sorry, my new comment is now available.

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Martin 1 point 3 years ago
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