Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I'm not sure). One of the factors for sure.
That post seems to be missing.
goferking0 2 points 3 years ago
Trying to think of any place that didn't/doesn't default to them
Arcturus 50 points 3 years ago
The dev really needs to change that then.
Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it's of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)
JohnnyCanuck 65 points 3 years ago
Why are people joining .world to begin with?
Because how it works when you first join is very confusing, and why you would choose any particular server is not clear at all.
Also, people want to join something that is bigger and more active because it feels like it would be better (more stable, more content, etc.)
Evoliddaw 14 points 3 years ago
In all fairness I applied to 5 Lemmy instances when the Reddit downfall started, including .ca and .world. .ml to date is still the only one to have processed my application. It may have been due to lots of applications at the time but the sheer fact my application is still pending on the other 4 instances leads me to use the one that actually works as opposed to the first one I chose.
DadeMurphy -1 points 3 years ago path: 0 8588802 8589294 8707546, hotness: undefined, score: -1, children: 0
sudoreboot 52 points 3 years ago
Because they have no basis on which to decide where to go. It's like buying toothpaste but there are hundreds of options, none of which you know anything about, so you get whichever seems most popular. It minimises the risk of ending up with something which is unpopular for good reasons.
zarkanian 19 points 3 years ago
If you join a small instance, the chances are higher that it will a) be poorly maintained and b) fold quicker, forcing you to find another instance to join and re-subscribe to all your communities.
bilb 2 points 3 years ago
I run my own instance that technically does have open registration, but I can't really recommend anyone actually sign up to use it. It's not running on very powerful hardware, and my commitment to keeping it running 24/7 is "as long as it stays convenient and interesting." There are probably many, many of those. But there are a good collection of second and third tier instances now as well, I'm not to worried about .world's popularity so long as they don't do something like switch to a federation allow-list rather than a block list.
bilb 0 points 3 years ago
I'm aware of the risk, but so far the captcha seems to have prevented any mass sign-up, and none of the few other existing accounts so far have any activity. That said, since I have no intention to support a user base anymore, I probably should close it anyway.
doom_and_gloom 15 points 3 years ago path: 0 8588802 8597219, hotness: undefined, score: 15, children: 0
lemmyingly 3 points 3 years ago
What happened to the messages in their Discord?
goferking0 2 points 3 years ago
What I heard was a bot to send in ip from certain instances
spyd3r 8 points 3 years ago
Everyone should leave that instance, the admin and the mods on that instance are big time thought police and will find excuses in their vague rules to delete your posts and eventually ban you if your views go against the grain.
yukichigai 7 points 3 years ago
Also, don't put all your eggs in one basket: diversify, diversify, diversify. Make a main account, but have more on at least one other instance. Instances go down for maintenance, software gets updated, owners change moderation policies, so on. If you can't get to Lemmy through your main, use your secondary.
Personally I use lemmy.sdf.org as my secondary. It's run by a bunch of retro-enthusiast Unix nerds who more care about the functionality of the tech than anything else. No blocked communities there, and AFAIK they haven't defederated from any instance outside of ones that were hacked/compromised. That does not mean you can just go there and be a shitbird though, they do have standards.
somethingchameleon 0 points 3 years ago
Yeah, I was cool with sitting on lemmy.world until they did something that I wasn't cool with.
I'm not loyal to them, or anyone else. The more choice, the better.
somethingchameleon 5 points 3 years ago
I think it's fine to have a main instance, as long as that main instance isn't gung-ho about censorship like lemmy.world has become.
Although I definitely agree with recommending against joining lemmy.world.
Such a shitty decision by biased mods and useful idiots. They deserve to lose power as a result.
AFC1886VCC 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 8588802 8658150, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
rambaroo 0 points 3 years ago
I don't disagree at all but I can kind of understand why a lemmy instance would block piracy communities. Reddit has many millions of dollars and a squad of lawyers to back them up, lemmy admins don't.
Flatworm7591 158 points 3 years ago
Just a quick update, lemmy.world has posted an update that explains their decision here: https://lemmy.world/post/13319613
TLDR is that the person who removed the community is fairly new to the mod team and didn't realize there was a bit of a history to this situation. Also, looks like they are sticking with the decision this time around though.
Please don't harass the lemmy.world admins/mods though - if you don't like the situation you are free to register here or on another instance. And if you aren't a lemmy.world user, then this doesn't affect you at all.
I'm proud of our community here, and it's their loss, not ours! 
Excrubulent 73 points 3 years ago
The translation is, "It wasn't us don't get angry, but also it kind of was one of us and also we are sticking by the decision so it may as well have been us." I don't really see that it matters if the story is true - in the best possible case they're just saying that they don't have a way of setting policies and having those policies be followed.
If we've learned anything from centralised platforms it's that size doesn't protect platforms from the consequences of making bad decisions.
cordlesslamp 4 points 3 years ago
this sounds familiar.
curbstickle 1 point 3 years ago
Oh that's pretty neat, haven't seen it! Thanks for the tip
Sabata11792 3 points 3 years ago
Ill take a pitchfork in the guts any day if it keeps me away from being a debt slave to Disney for the rest of my life.
Danterious 15 points 3 years ago
Don't you guys have an admin chat group. Or at least you guys would have some way of keeping in touch since this has happened before.
Flatworm7591 16 points 3 years ago
Well at least they honored their commitments /s
tocopherol 11 points 3 years ago
To be fair they do say they "need to be" transparent, not that they were going to be :p
Draconic_NEO 2 points 3 years ago
because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
It's funny because someone on their team started banning people from that thread for disagreeing with their stance then when called out for it they quietly changed the instance bans for community bans, in an awesome display of pure pettiness one would normally see on Reddit.
When I described the previous removal as LW having a feud with dbzer0, that was why.
Danterious 13 points 3 years ago
That's unfortunate.
curbstickle 7 points 3 years ago
They've just posted.
It's not a good explanation. The only thing that changed was their own minds.
shininghero 5 points 3 years ago
Wouldn't be surprised if they got some personally delivered letters from the legal department of a big media company, given that they blocked visibility to some magazines on other servers.
Trebach 1 point 3 years ago
Per https://lemmy.world/post/13320356, they got a takedown notice and started going through everything with a fine toothed comb.
RiikkaTheIcePrincess 4 points 3 years ago
😞 🧑🌾
empireOfLove2 74 points 3 years ago
average lemmy.world moment
being the biggest has it's problems
CapitanStrider 64 points 3 years ago
Luckily it doesn't affect anything beyond people who insist on using only one instances (world). Glad to have dbzer0 around.
fuwa 20 points 3 years ago
I have four accounts on the four instances that host communities I am interested in.
It's a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised, but I guess that's the only way federation can really work in practice (especially considering when an instance is blocked user on the blocker side just continue to see it frozen in time, with no warning as to what's going on)
cypherpunks 17 points 3 years ago
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised
I think this is precisely what the ActivityPub model of federation promised, actually 😅
viking 4 points 3 years ago
Takes away some of the anonymity though, even with domain registrar obfuscation etc., they'd probably disclose the owner to a request from whatever authority comes knocking. And if you're based in a jurisdiction where piracy is explicitly forbidden, federating with db0 and effectively co-hosting links to prohibited content might open a whole other can of worms. And not everyone is technically competent enough to run and maintain an instance, even if the initial setup works out with one of the how-to's.
Neopolitan 3 points 3 years ago
and if you're really technical and really want to you can even bypass other people's defederation attempts against you.
somethingchameleon 4 points 3 years ago
I think a solution would be to have instances without communities.
It sucks, but I'm really trying to find instances with the most federation. I'd rather censor things myself than to have some useful idiot do it for me.
"Instance A blocked instance B, so now we have to use instance C to communicate with both." Seems kind of roundabout, which is why I'm looking for the 'ever-C' instance that federates with the most.
Mic_Check_One_Two 8 points 3 years ago
I mean, the real end solution is to host your own server. Then you can federate/defederate with whoever the hell you want. As long as you don’t do anything to get banned from a specific instance, you’ll be fine.
But that’s more work than most people are willing to put into a Reddit clone.
Croquette 1 point 3 years ago
The issue is that depending on where the Instance is located can mean that the person is liable for the content on their instance, or at least some corps will try to take them to court over that.
It would be really nice to have something you've described, but then who hosts the community and becomes liable?
somethingchameleon -1 points 3 years ago
Someone's always going to be liable, that's unavoidable.
I'm just spitballing ideas for how we can always connect to the servers we want to.
@Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com hit the nail on the head. Self-hosting would be the end goal, but it's too much of a hassle for most people to go through.
So a few servers that exist solely to connect with the fediverse would be ideal for those people.
ladfrombrad 3 points 3 years ago
You ever get the feeling for a flowchart?
Someone please make one.
Danterious 44 points 3 years ago
The part that annoys me is that this was done silently even though last time they said they would ask their users. Hopefully it was just an admin that didn't get the last memo.
Edit: the community -> their users
sabreW4K3 59 points 3 years ago
A few of the bigger instances have been very open about the fact that they're anti-piracy, anti-porn, etc and removing this community is par for the course with such a stance.
What does that mean for the average user? It means there's more incentive to move to better instances. It's when instances have such a monopoly on users and communities that people should not only move, but advocate for other people moving to smaller instances.
Also a major benefit of not being federated by large instances is that there's less surface area for search engines and thus resources last longer.
Arcturus 9 points 3 years ago
Imo the issue here is that how Lemmy works right now, or maybe just its apps, seems to have the trend of pushing most people onto the largest instance(s) like .world
If the point of the Fediverse is to have a decentralized userbase, that trend needs to be reversed.
Even if we give .world admins the benefit of the doubt and say they got in legal trouble or something this time, having a userbase properly spread across many instances would prevent that instance from having the obvious target.
pewgar_seemsimandroid 1 point 3 years ago
hexbear alt
kratoz29 46 points 3 years ago
I moved to lemm.ee from .world the last time they banned these communities, as a momentarily fix, never cared to look back as here was better managed, no censorship, quicker updates and no noticeable downtimes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
nonfuinoncuro 18 points 3 years ago
me too, enjoy seeing the occasional hexbear, ml, lemmygrad, etc
heyfrancis 3 points 3 years ago
Did you import your .world data to .ee?
cyberpunk007 2 points 3 years ago
Oh really? How do I find this?
OfficerBribe 3 points 3 years ago
Same here. They also had issues with downtime around same time.
Simon 44 points 3 years ago
If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created c/westcoastedm for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn't want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.
CommunityLinkFixer 20 points 3 years ago
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com
somethingchameleon 0 points 3 years ago
Yeah, just like when reddit changed their rules to ban DNM.
Such a waste.
somethingchameleon 28 points 3 years ago
I just left lemmy.world for lemmy.ca
Corporate cucks and their censors can go fuck themselves.
I'm done with that shit.
somethingchameleon 1 point 3 years ago
I'm afraid of that, but hopefully there will be even more alternatives by then.
GONADS125 3 points 3 years ago
I'm happy on feddit.de, as they are really only defederated from the tankies and Threads.
I left L.W when they federated with Threads and tried lemm.ee, but dealing with the tankies is so annoying I had to find another new home and settled for feddit.de.
cyberpunk007 3 points 3 years ago
Did exactly the same thing a while ago. I'm sure at some point I'll also have to make an account on just that instance so I can view it there which is shitty but works.
JimSamtanko -9 points 3 years ago
Communist trolls are a protected class there. As long as you don’t report them, you’ll be fine in .ca
Fridgeratr 21 points 3 years ago
Hey it got me to switch to dbzer0!
RexWrexWrecks 4 points 3 years ago
Me too
Immersive_Matthew 16 points 3 years ago
Looks like Lemmy has a tragic flaw…not decentralized enough.
Excrubulent 21 points 3 years ago
It's early days still. When this sort of thing triggers an "exodus" users will just shift to other instances, further decentralising the service without unduly hurting the platform. If big instances want to stay relevant they need to not enshittify. If it turns out that's impossible, then instances will have to stay small, which is fine by me. I certainly won't miss the majority of lemmy.world users.
cyberpunk007 1 point 3 years ago
When this happened the first time I just remade my account on another instance, resubscribed to all my communities from world and subscribed to my other ones that they blocked. Not ideal, I know, but I still (do far) have a single stop.
Excrubulent 2 points 3 years ago
It's even easier with account migration now. I haven't tried it myself but apparently you can just sort of continue from where you left off.
cyberpunk007 1 point 3 years ago
I haven't either, if lemmy.ca turns to shit I'll try this next time.
Immersive_Matthew -7 points 3 years ago
Looks like the mods over at politics@lemmy.world banned me as I am not pro Trump. I am glad they revealed who they really are over there so I can block them too.
Excrubulent 7 points 3 years ago
Much as I'd love to jump on the lemmy.world hate with your comment, I find they tend to be bog standard liberals with very little political education, not Trump supporters. Also your comment history is still visible in some apps, and it doesn't tell such a clear cut story as you're telling here.
If you are indeed anti-Trump, it's not clear from what you said there. In fact what you said was such a mess that I don't hold out a lot of hope for your response to this comment. I honestly don't blame them for giving you a time out.
a_wild_mimic_appears 3 points 3 years ago
you were banned for trolling and not backing down when the downvotes for your posts, which resembled a schizophrenic outburst, started rolling in. don't lie man, the modlogs are public.
5714 14 points 3 years ago
A disunited federation is still a federation.
AFAIK, lemmy.world cannot remove !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com (but block this community or instance), because lemmy.world is another instance.
Pirates interested in this communities will find a way to lurk or participate.
Zedstrian 9 points 3 years ago
If we're to have any chance at convincing more Reddit users to join the Fediverse, the main Lemmy and Kbin instances need to stick together. While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn't make for great optics (having a greater variety of communities above the 50k user mark would help bring more users to Lemmy), a fragmented federation only helps Reddit. Beyond that, this community has rules in place to ensure that posts stick to the discussion of piracy, and not piracy itself.
Kichae 14 points 3 years ago
But a federation is fragmentation. If the only thing that doesn't help reddit is another centralized system, then that's really just a claim that private ownership of the internet is good, actually, so long as we like the owners.
ReveredOxygen 1 point 3 years ago
I assume they mean more like what's happening on Mastodon, where instances mass defederate other instances for not having the same instances defederated
RobotToaster 6 points 3 years ago
Defederation really should be last resort, a lot of admin use it as a first one. (Even dbzer0 censors 187 instances)
kbal 9 points 3 years ago
The vast majority of those (on the dbzer0 list) are obviously just copied from someone's medium-sized mastodon blocklist, which in this case mostly includes instances that definitely deserve it. I recognize only a few dubious choices in there, and none that are completely indefensible.
kbal 2 points 3 years ago
The current fediseer censured list seems much larger and correspondingly more problematic in places. You've started out with a good list, hope you exercise due caution in adding to it.
LWJanniesAreCucks 8 points 3 years ago path: 0 8607335, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
kylian0087 8 points 3 years ago
I made a account last time lemmy.wold blocked this community. Seems like il be sticking with this account for now
alphacyberranger 6 points 3 years ago
I'm also gonna jump instances and gonna donate more from time to time to dbzer0
ramble81 4 points 3 years ago
So did I miss a setting where an instance can ban remote communities for its user base? I know a user can ban individual communities now but I didn’t realize it could be done at an instance level for all users of that instance.
SanndyTheManndy 3 points 3 years ago
Where is this instance hosted, anyway?
tal 2 points 3 years ago
The IP resolves to vps-6dbc9b7d.vps.ovh.net. ovh.net is a French hosting company. The last hop before it that responds for me -- without about the same ping time, so probably in about the same location -- is be102.sbg-g2-nc5.fr.eu.
So it'll be France or thereabouts, at least presently. I suppose that it could be forwarding connections from there elsewhere.
kylian0087 0 points 3 years ago
Actually Ruud the owner of the instance is dutch. So I suppose it is hosted probably somewhere in the Netherlands? the IP is most likely a proxy.
Trebach 1 point 3 years ago
Their legal page mentions the Netherlands, Finland, and Germany. I don't know which of the latter two they're hosted in but their hosting company is German, and Germany are a bunch of assholes when it comes to copyright.
SanndyTheManndy 1 point 3 years ago
They should move to countries that have no regard for copyright laws.
RobotToaster 2 points 3 years ago
Glowies
MalReynolds 6 points 3 years ago
WTF is a glowie?
MalReynolds 0 points 3 years ago
Ta.
andrew_bidlaw 11 points 3 years ago
A paranoidal schizophrenic and a single dev of Temple OS thought thar he's watched and messed with by federal agencies. He knew, because he could see a glowing aura around them undercover agents. After his ramblings about it, 4chan boards users who watched his streams as a lolcow (a person of interest who can be milked for lulz) took this slang term from him. Then it spread everywhere.
Down the Rabbit Hole episode about him and his slow sad demise: https://youtu.be/UCgoxQCf5Jg?si=JlPs70O5gQCvau2z
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MalReynolds -1 points 3 years ago
Ta.
RobotToaster -1 points 3 years ago
The CIA got him in the end.
MarsAgainstVenus 1 point 3 years ago
I am running on Lemmy-Easy-Deploy but it seems to be abandoned. How do you have yours set up?
LWAdminsAreCuckolds -3 points 3 years ago path: 0 8610316, hotness: undefined, score: -3, children: 0
virtueisdead 11 points 3 years ago
lmao i don't think their political affiliation is strictly related to how much of a pussy they are in this context
Alsephina 6 points 3 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
The US is so close to becoming full-on fascist that people there are starting to associate liberals of all people with the left
YeetPics 7 points 3 years ago
What?
They host what they want and don't host what they seem as a risky set of content to platform?
I don't get why you're so mad someone who isn't you chose what is and is not acceptable to them and what risks they are willing to take.
You talk like a lib LOL
thanks for using Leebra!
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Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.
Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol
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