Make protein powder out of the rich for maximum gains

Sure but why not just give the farmers what they needed and pickle the extra or something?

Got it, dumb capitalist nonsense.

Flattening the territory to fit the map.

Queue to buy eggs kind of shortage? Food stamps to be able to buy kind of shortage? Or corporations using any reason to jack up prices kind of shortage?

You know what the end game is, and if we could just cut to it while we still have a chance to at least kinda salvage the climate and biodiversity, that would be great.

The prices went back down right after the federal government announced a price fixing investigation and a bunch of news coverage came out about how their claims were bogus.

I searched egg laying hen population by year. The end of 2022, after the culling, it was 377 million.

Based on the article another comment had, the 80 mil was total birds killed, not just egg hens, so it was likely actually less than the 17% I estimated.

Some (at least) were killed brutally. Gassed in the hen houses, panicking as they died, trying to peck their way out. Poor birds.

That's just in Sonoma County, between Dec '23 and Jan '24.

Don't take that from us.

Action is better than hope.

Action does not mean voting.

I used to live in this weird apartment building that once had been fancy, so it had large common areas with fitted carpet; but now was "significantly less desirable", and residents used to let their dogs shit on the carpet. It was the cheapest 1-bed flat I could find at the time. 2/3 of the cars parked outside were recent BMW's or Audi's. Everyone will choose how they spend their own money, but some fall for the glamour of consumerism more than others, and for many young men with jobs but no families that means the coolest car you can manage, even if you have to live in a damp hovel and wade thru dog shit to get to it every morning 🤗

Doesn't sound like someone who's minutes away from starving buying something that was obviously unnecessary though, does it?

And if a guy with shitty credit and unsteady income is able to get financing on a six-figure truck, that's more the banks fault.

If you are going to make a statement about people, generally speaking, we like to have proof.

Have you actually seen this new car welfare person or is this a straw man born of your keyboard?

A new car is not that much more in a lot of places than a used car, especially right now. Plus, you can earn supplementary income with a new car that you might not be able to in an old car. In some markets you can't drive uber without a very new car.

This is why the advice is basically not to judge so much, especially considering billionaires are literally making record profits off of food and medicine right now.

I was using "brand new" as in they buy a new car to replace the car they have. Not necessarily a shiny new, newest model up to date state of the art car, but a they replace the car they have with a new car.

Believe it or not there are people who would say "How can you say you are poor -- you just bought a new car?" then tell The Daily Mail that illegal immigrants are using tax-payers money to buy new cars.

Yeah, it's shit. I don't even want one. But the whole idea is fucking silly.

Slave

Yeah, i agree on all of those points; but i believe not everything should boil down to personal choice, we have governments to steer things.

Subventions for livestock should be on the chopping block - the emissions from livestock are about 1/3 of all of human-caused methane, so we should really discuss if dumping prices for meat is the way to go, and thats still ignoring the ethical angle of the meat industry.

And reducing the amount of car travel needed for daily things like work (WfH as an guaranteed option where possible for example) or groceries (including the fight against food deserts, in which zoning laws have quite an impact) is also something that can be worked towards and would help against climate change.

Nevertheless, the absolute waste of energy and resources, the excess the rich are living in has to go, or everything else is a moot point.

Hey man, I'll eat bugs to supplement my protein. I don't want to eat only bugs, but it's another protein option, and I see that as a good thing

Dude, i'm not a bootlicker for advocating for cheap available housing or additional sources of food. I'm also not a bootlicker for pointing out that the zoning in the US is completely fucked up, or that i would definitely have a better conscience eating a burger made with bug protein than one with the meat of an animal that had a short, brutal life, which also massively contributed to climate change (livestock is about a third of human-caused methane emissions)

I'm open for options, i don't say to force them on people.

And to be clear, at least in german speaking europe, far-right groups use(d? i don't actively follow nazi propaganda) fear of "bug burgers" to campaign against anything the left leaning green party did, so please forgive me when my nazi detector misfired.

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Rome gave poor people a grain allotment every month.

Why are you like this?

no but it'll still run like shit, and be vulnerable to security issues. My android phone is 7 years old and can barely do the two things i need it to do.

The answer is no there too. I don't think you understand what 'poor' means. Many of them have phones that are subsidized.

For example- https://www.lifewireless.com/...

Poor people don't buy phones every few years because they're poor.

It would be possible, yes, and hopefully those that can, do.

Buying in bulk will require you to have some money in savings to pay for a huge amount of groceries up front, not everyone can afford that.

It also requires you to have storage for bulk items, my dad does, but I know it's not always possible, especially for those living in caravan parks.

It requires you to have transportation to and from depot yards, as bulk orders can't always be taken to the post office depending on how big you are going, my dad does, but me for example, that's why I left the country, I'm too blind to drive so I was pretty helpless in woop woop.

But the biggest reason it's not always possible: Orders you make as an individual are subject to the same transportation costs as larger wholesale orders placed by local businesses. It's the same single freight train coming in each month, you might save a few bucks cutting out the profits of the local grocer, but not by a significant amount.

As an individual, your order will be also be the first to get bumped for space if there's any issues with the train. My dad orders a lot of his dried pantry staple food, since he has to place bulk orders for animal feed anyway, he might as well get his flour brought in with the same shipments. Over Christmas there was so much flooding across the lines that the grocery stores couldn't get their order to feed the entire towns fortnight worth of food, let alone my dad getting his slab of tinned peas for personal use. My dad got given the same purchase limits as everyone else in town and he got what he was given.

It's a food desert because there is simply no food, it's a desert.

There's industry, there's economy, there's housing and schools and possibly even a vibrant community. But as far as food goes, it's a barren wasteland because the supply chain doesn't link up to these areas, not for big corporations with stores in these towns, not for individuals trying to order groceries on line. The boats don't dock there, The trains don't stop there, the trucks don't unload there.

Sometimes it makes sense - my dad lives in the middle of bum fuck nowhere, a lot of FIFO related work but not much for locals so it makes sense there's no infrastructure to bring food in. I know towns in even more remote places that get all their food via a single sea plane (at least my dad's town has a rail line), and when that sea plane needs maintenance, no one can get in or out of the town.

But most food deserts are geopolitical. The food exists, people are willing to get it there, but something (money, power, politics, war) means the food can't physically get where it needs to be.

Even something as simple as a local farmer having a contract with a supermarket, and that supermarkets competitor being the first to build a store in the town, that could cause a food desert, as the local supermarket can't buy from the local farmer, because that farmer is stuck in a supplier contract with a completely different supermarket that doesn't even have a store nearby yet, and they may never get a local store, because look at how badly that current supermarket is struggling in that location, seems risky to open a new store there.

Google tells me 400g of tuna is 112g of protein.

Lentils clocks in at 36g

Beans are all over the place. Some seen pretty good for protein tbh. Never heard of winged beans before.

If I needed to be that cheap, why should I care to live?

Fish is 80% water

Huh?

400g of cooked lentils is $4 at the IGA near my dad. That's 2 RDI servings.

I can get a 400g tin for about 80c in the city where I live, but I can also get 250g of dried lentils for $2-3, which will easily give me 1kg of cooked lentils.

The tuna is only a 110g can for $1.50, one RDI serving.

Both the tinned tuna and tinned lentils contain a lot of water weight, which is why I'm focused on "per serving", where the tuna is cheaper.

I'm not arguing that protein per gram per cent, the dry lentils are always cheaper, but they litteraly don't sell dried lentils at the shop near my dad.

You’ve misunderstood me. I made none of those claims.

All I’m saying is

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Shame on you, first of all. For defending the rich and for pushing the idea that opinions are insignificant and caring is stupid.

(grin) Sometimes it's fun just to throw live grenades into a room, right?

(metaphorically. Don't try this at home with actual grenades. It does not end as well as you think. Unless you want to get out of the spring cleaning, of course)