How can you push agendas if you don't have one?

2 years ago by PugJesus to c/memes

someguy3 120 points 2 years ago

They have an agenda, so they assume everyone else does too. It's always projection.

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brbposting 41 points 2 years ago

Universal happiness and prosperity could be a part of an agenda as well right?

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UFODivebomb 16 points 2 years ago

Not an agenda people talk enough about

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TubularTittyFrog 2 points 2 years ago

no, because there is no such thing as universal happiness.

everyone's happiness is different, and often conflicting.

for example, my father's happiness would have been me playing football. I hated sports. hence, he hated me until he died for 'hurting him'.

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brbposting 10 points 2 years ago

That really sucks. Can practically feel the tension through your post. What a bummer… shouldn’t kill anybody to let somebody else be happy doing their own thang (and be happy not necessarily copying another person’s thang).

Less importantly:

When I think about 'universal happiness', I’d think it’s more about creating conditions where everyone has the opportunity to pursue their own version of happiness, rather than imposing a single idea of happiness on everyone.

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TubularTittyFrog 0 points 2 years ago

yeah, but that's not how people work.

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barsoap 6 points 2 years ago

He'd be much happier in the grand scheme of things if he accepted his kids as they are.

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Vespair 4 points 2 years ago

This is a strange exclusionary way of considering happiness, tbh.

Like even if I want, and maybe even would be most happy, to sit down in front of a plate of duck a l'orange for dinner doesn't mean I can't or won't be perfectly happy eating a sirloin steak for dinner instead

Edit: for clarity, I am referring to your father's view on happiness, not your response to it

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Yucky_Dimension 44 points 2 years ago

Um... they are called the Warner Brothers (and the Warner Sister). Is he non binary now?

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Sunforged 59 points 2 years ago

It's a joke.

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Yucky_Dimension -28 points 2 years ago

It's a joke based on Yakko not having a gender. Which doesn't make sense. Therefore my confusion.

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gramathy 35 points 2 years ago

Cartoons operate under the rule of funny, anything is allowed for the joke

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Yucky_Dimension -18 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't say that's how jokes work. Some things need to be established first. The joke is not, that he is non binary. It's a play with words, "agenda" in this case. Him being genderless is supposed to be the baseline. This is contradicted by him being a Warner brother. So the joke is already falling apart during the setup. If the joke was about him being a chicken, it wouldn't have made sense either, because it was never established before. And can't explained with cartoon logic.

It feels like people are automatically mad at me for criticizing the joke, because the topic is gender politics. I never said he can't be non binary, I don't care, but there was never a basis for this. Or so I thought. As others have pointed out, there apparently was an episode or a comic where this was mentioned.

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VaultBoyNewVegas 14 points 2 years ago

Do you take Wile.E.Coyote running into a wall after the roadrunner runs through it literally too?

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Draconic_NEO 5 points 2 years ago

Which doesn’t make sense. Therefore my confusion.

There are people who do not identify as having a gender, this is commonly referred to as "Agender". People who identify as Agender may not identify with the concept of gender, some may attempt to present gender neutral, while others may not make an effort to present any specific way. It's one of the many NonBinary identities, that is people who don't identify as exclusively male or female. I can understand though that for some it might be confusing as it has only been receiving mainstream recognition relatively recently.

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BottleOfAlkahest 42 points 2 years ago

There's a panel from the Animaniacs comic where Wakko states that his gender is "other". It floats around the internet ever few years. The comic was, I believe, back in the 90s so I'm not sure I'd say "now". They have always used the term "brother" and he/him pronouns for Wakko though.

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DudeImMacGyver 5 points 2 years ago

Wait, there's comics? I thought it was just a cartoon

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p5yk0t1km1r4ge -3 points 2 years ago

I love how politically charged the show is haha

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Kase 1 point 2 years ago

The show is politically charged because... there's an enby person? Or am I misunderstanding you

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p5yk0t1km1r4ge 5 points 2 years ago

Sure, let's pretend the gender stuff ISNT a current political issue, and ignore all the political jokes the show makes, and then imply some bullshit like I have an issue with NB because I said "politically charged" because why not? Fuck off. My partner is part of the community.

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Katana314 41 points 2 years ago

In the remake’s theme song; “We’re gender balanced, pronoun neutral, and ethnically diverse!”
While the fun is in the fast pronunciation of longer words, they’re pointing to a split gender diagram chart between Yakko (male), Dot (female) and Wakko (split). So even if it’s based in a joke from old episodes, WB seems to have run with it.

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CannedTuna 8 points 2 years ago

Remake??

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DashboTreeFrog 12 points 2 years ago

Yup! They did a remake in 2020, never watched it myself cause Hulu but I've heard some good things about it.

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samus12345 7 points 2 years ago

It's okay. Not nearly as good as the old show, but that's not a surprise.

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Dangdoggo 24 points 2 years ago

It's not canon but he has been adopted by the NB community as a sort of an icon.

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Septimaeus 4 points 2 years ago
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tsonfeir 39 points 2 years ago

While I like the joke, Wakko is actually a boy. He had a crush on Miss Bambon, so one could assume hetro. Humorously, Dot also had a crush on her. 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

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jol 56 points 2 years ago

I agree that se is obvious supposed to be a boy, but I don't understand your premise. You can be agender and have a crush on a woman.

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tsonfeir 13 points 2 years ago

Not really trying to make a point. But he’s not agender. Dot is bisexual though.

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Zorque -14 points 2 years ago

Your comment seemed awfully opinionated for not trying to make a point.

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tsonfeir 15 points 2 years ago

Don’t read it like that.

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buddascrayon 47 points 2 years ago

Nonbinary does not imply asexuality.

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tsonfeir 9 points 2 years ago

True. Wakko’s pronoun is “he” as the show has decided.

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troglodytis 18 points 2 years ago

And plenty of nonbinary humans use and prefer the pronoun "he"

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buddascrayon 14 points 2 years ago

Also true. But we must consider the fact that when the show was airing, though I'm sure non-binary people certainly must have existed at the time, non-binary was not something that was part of the mainstream consciousness. So would not have been acceptable in a kids show. And though I'm not sure it would even be acceptable in today's day and age by most mainstream standards, it's more acceptable now than it was 30 years ago.

On top of that it's very likely that most real people at that time who would likely identify as non-binary would not have identified themselves as such and would have chosen a he/she pronoun of some sort to identify themselves in order to conform to the social standard of that time.

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tsonfeir 12 points 2 years ago

Still, we should celebrate the characters who are designed to be nonbinary, to represent that community, not try to decide for that character 30 years later.

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Rivalarrival 6 points 2 years ago

But we must consider the fact that when the show was airing,

Hulu rebooted it in 2020. The latest season was released in February, 2023.

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barsoap 11 points 2 years ago

He's a Warner sibling, which means that at any moment he's exactly whatever is necessary for the joke to work.

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sagrotan 32 points 2 years ago

"Finger prince" is a great joke too from that show. I laughed my ass off.

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captain_aggravated 10 points 2 years ago

Goodnight everybody!

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SirSamuel 31 points 2 years ago

I definitely read this in their voices

"And remember kids! Yakko spelled backwards is Okkay"

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Kolanaki 27 points 2 years ago

Wakko looks adorable AF in this image.

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troglodytis 9 points 2 years ago

Wakko is adorable AF

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Crack0n7uesday 19 points 2 years ago

Wacko is addicted to Don Knots comedy, you can always catch him watching old episodes of Matlock just for the guest appearance's.

That used to be a running joke on the 90's version of that show.

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kittenzrulz123 16 points 2 years ago

I know it's a small detail but not all non-binary people are agender.

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EdibleFriend 6 points 2 years ago

Genuinely curious about this because I had always assumed those were the same thing.

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kittenzrulz123 16 points 2 years ago

Non-binary people don't fit neatly into the gender binary but might still associate with a gender, agender people meanwhile have no gender. Someone can be both or either one (I'm personally both).

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NeatNit 3 points 2 years ago

This is firmly in the realm of semantic definition that most people don't need to know IMO, definitely not in casual conversation. Like the precise botanical definition of a nut, 'true crabs' vs other kinds of crabs, and other such specialised definitions in various fields of study. For everyday discussion, broad labels are fine. Non-binary, agender, gender-fluid and maybe more that I'm ignorant of can all kinda be used interchangeably in most contexts and I think there's nothing disrespectful in that. Expecting more is expecting too much.

If talking with one's therapist about it or in circles where this is a main topic of discussion, yeah precise terms are useful, but outside of that it's fine to mix them up.

I just felt this needed to be said. I'm absolutely in favour of people like you chiming in with the definition though, in the right context like here.

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kittenzrulz123 0 points 2 years ago

They all mean very different things, using non binary and agender interchangeably is one thing but using non binary and genderfluid interchangeably is completely different

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nickwitha_k 2 points 2 years ago

Wouldn't gender-fluid also fall under the NB "umbrella"?

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barsoap 5 points 2 years ago

Gender-fluid is more like a superposition on the binary. You can collapse the wave function and take a measurement but a split-second later it could be different.

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kittenzrulz123 1 point 2 years ago

Not necessarily

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EdibleFriend 1 point 2 years ago

aaaaaaaaaaah that make sense TY :D

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EmperorHenry 15 points 2 years ago
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Norbynorwest 11 points 2 years ago

I lived in Burbank for a decade, and drove by the water tower a couple days a week.

Oh how frequently I wished they would come bouncing out.

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magic_lobster_party 8 points 2 years ago

He? Shouldn’t it be they?

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laffytaffer 57 points 2 years ago

Not necessarily. Nonbinary covers a broad range of gender identities that don't all exclusively use they/them.

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magic_lobster_party 12 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the info!

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Draconic_NEO 9 points 2 years ago

Also pronouns aren't necessarily dependent on gender, they're dependent on the person's pronoun preferences. Even someone who seems like they might use a specific set of pronouns based on their gender might use a different set of pronouns, as an example I knew someone who is a demiboy and they go by any pronouns.

CC: @magic_lobster_party@kbin.run

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PiratePanPan 4 points 2 years ago

We will finally achieve world peace when people realize gender, sex, and pronouns can be separate

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troglodytis 11 points 2 years ago

It should be whatever Wakko prefers. Perfectly fine for a nonbinary person to use "he".

Edit: And also, pretty sure that's another layer to the joke. Cause Wakko is just out there living his life while the world spins around him making definitions and boxes that have no bearing on how he lives.

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Cowbee 3 points 2 years ago

Ohh, I should revisit Animaniacs. Haven't seen any in years!

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ShaggySnacks 3 points 2 years ago

When I dived back into Animaniacs a few years ago, I was very happy that the episodes that I watched had aged really well.

Edit: Words are important for context

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Resol 3 points 2 years ago

And now Spacetoon will forever forget this cartoon ever existed (because it has definitely aired it before)

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killjuden -5 points 2 years ago
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maniel -21 points 2 years ago

"nonbinary"

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Dud 6 points 2 years ago

What, not to going to be pedantic about them spelling gender as genda while you're at it?

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maniel -6 points 2 years ago

That's a completely different thing, because it's on purpose to match the "agenda" word, while "nonbinery" on purpose or not, is what someone who doesn't read much would write, as a non native English speaker I'm kinda pedantic about such errors

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FlashMobOfOne -24 points 2 years ago

I am one of the <1% that vote Green.

My only agenda is shouting into the void because I am effectively powerless.

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Zorque 13 points 2 years ago

Just because you can't solve everything all on your own doesn't mean you're effectively powerless.

What does make you powerless is refusing to act because you have to be part of a crowd to help, instead of some lone avenging angel who can solve everything with a snap of their fingers.

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FlashMobOfOne -3 points 2 years ago

No, what makes me powerless is that 99% of people who vote make the same choices every election regardless of the quality of the candidate.

And that, I definitely cannot change.

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RightHandOfIkaros 0 points 2 years ago

At some point in history, voting was about picking the best, most qualified candidate.

In recent years, voting has become picking the person that makes the other color lose.

I wonder what the Founding Fathers would think of what their country has become.

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Jimbo 5 points 2 years ago

At some point in history, voting was about picking the best, most qualified candidate.

In recent years, voting has become picking the person that makes the other color lose.

I got some bad news for you buddy

This issue is not recent by any stretch of the imagination.

Also the founding fathers sucked and were constantly drunk slave holders.

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FlashMobOfOne 4 points 2 years ago

I imagine most would be pleased. They only ever wanted the voice of wealthy men to matter in the first place, and now it's the supreme law of the land.

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TrickDacy 8 points 2 years ago

At least you're honest about it

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FlashMobOfOne -1 points 2 years ago

No reason to hide it.

The shameful thing is being a proud Democrat or Republican after the last 40 years of regression for the American people.

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TrickDacy 9 points 2 years ago

The shameful part is people like you help usher in fascism so you can feel superior

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FlashMobOfOne 1 point 2 years ago

That is numerically impossible.

My side has no power whatsoever.

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Bartsbigbugbag -2 points 2 years ago

The concentration camp was never the normal condition for the average gentile German. Unless one were Jewish, or poor and unemployed, or of active leftist persuasion or otherwise openly anti-Nazi, Germany from 1933 until well into the war was not a nightmarish place. All the “good Germans” had to do was obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, avoid any sign of political heterodoxy, and look the other way when unions were busted and troublesome people disappeared.

Since many “middle Americans” already obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, are themselves distrustful of political heterodoxy, and applaud when unions are broken and troublesome people are disposed of, they probably could live without too much personal torment in a fascist state — some of them certainly seem eager to do so.

- Michael Parenti. (1996). Fascism in a Pinstriped Suit

Many people have been living under fascism in the United States for decades, suffering under explicitly racist police and judiciary systems, fighting against explicitly fascist foreign policy, and trying to wake people up to the explicitly fascist rhetoric of both democrats and republicans.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,<— you are here
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

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PlainSimpleGarak -10 points 2 years ago

"everything I don't like is fascism"

Almost every presidential election I write in a name because neither two major candidates deserve my vote. Glad I get to help "usher in fascism".

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troglodytis 4 points 2 years ago

Please keep voting.

Would I recommend you vote differently than you say? Maybe, but so what. Just please vote, and encourage others to vote.

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FlashMobOfOne 3 points 2 years ago

Luckily my city has excellent early voting, so it's not too inconvenient.

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Trollception -3 points 2 years ago

You are not powerless, but on Lemmy you may feel like your opinion doesn't matter due to the overwhelming liberal population.

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Emerald 1 point 2 years ago

How is lemmy overwhelmingly liberal? I'd say there are more leftists then liberals here

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FlashMobOfOne 1 point 2 years ago

I'm a Green Party voter.

I am powerless.

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Emerald 1 point 2 years ago

I guess I gotta appreciate the honesty??

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FlashMobOfOne 2 points 2 years ago

LOL

It's not a bad thing to be a Green Party supporter. Do you not support democracy?

Oh wait, we're talking about Democrats here. They only pay lip service to Democracy for their party alone.

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