SCOTUS Immunity Ruling Will Let Trump be Führer, Here’s My Proof: Michael Cohen
2 years ago by jeffw to c/politics
He can make it official. He can make it as official as it gets. He can literally publicly sign this, in his office, with the press. Just because the constitution doesn't explicitly say he can do it doesn't mean it's unofficial. The constitution barely mentions what authorities the president does and doesn't have in the first place.
Its going to be hard to rule against the president after you been killed by the president.
The decision specifically states any action involving "core responsibilities" is an official action and grants immunity. One of the core responsibilities of the president is commanding the armed forces. So by their decision any order given to the armed forces comes with immunity by default.
Obviously this will never happen, but good luck ruling that Biden did not act "in an official capacity" when he ordered their murder, after it has actually been enacted. I guess their replacements could do it but that won't resuscitate their predecessors.
Immunity != authority.
Biden doesn't have additional powers because of the ruling. Just can't be prosecuted for crimes.
Immunity only benefits criminal Presidents like Trump.
The problem with that thinking is the President is the Commander-in-Chief. He can tell the military to do anything, and anything he tells them to do is protected, because that power is EXPLICITLY written out in the Constitution, and thus is an official act.
Additionally, he could just hire literal hitmen and pardon them of any crimes. Official act. Fucking brownshirts are gonna be back.
This should scare the shit out of everyone.
Biden can do this now.
Except when the terms of what an official act is not defined, the Supreme Court gets to decide, after the fact.
I've been thinking about this a bit, I'm not sure it's been considered and I may be going out on a random tangent...
Isn't this whole 'immunity' decision just another power grab, or rather further cementing of their power, by SCOTUS? Think about it. They're essentially the arbiter of 'right' and 'wrong' now, as there's no further avenue of appeal save for amending the U.S. Constitution.
Put aside the vagueness of 'official' vs. 'unofficial' acts for a moment.
Trump did something definitely illegal, and Trump argues was 'official', like his classified records case. Immune.
Biden did something questionably legal yet unofficial, such as forgetfully retaining classified documents after his tenure as VP (which he immediately returned). Supreme Court decides 'not immune', and some idiot decides to prosecute.
Trump might end up as a king, but the conservative majority of SCOTUS are the kingmakers and protectors.
Eh. Not if Biden just says “no. Fuck you. That was an official act.” And then just categorically ignore the court. Which is precisely what Trump would do if presented with a mirrored version of the situation.
So he can limit the scope of what the next president can do simply by using the power he's been given.
Nope because he can’t interpret nor create laws. Just break them. The next president is free to do as they wish.
And if he breaks them, the Supreme Court will rule that the president can't do whatever it is that Biden did. Assuming whatever Biden did doesn't result in the court having a different makeup.
Yet somehow Biden is powerless to stop him. 🤔
Are you hoping that Biden now sets a precedent by using his newfound king powers to assassinate his opponent? I want Trump to lose in a fair election and go to prison for a very long time. Biden using this “the president/king can do whatever he wants” would lead to an immediate civil war
What?! No! This is like a riddle. You assassinate the Supreme court first, THEN pack the court. Then have the new Supreme Court strip the presidency of these new powers.
He has enough troops to hit Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and anyone else he wants at the same time.
The irony it would be if he called the Official act, "The Purge of Fascism"
No one would try to bring about an impeachment vote, as they know they would be dead or disappeared before it took place.
Magna carta?
The time for a president to not act like a king was before a corrupt court awarded the powers of a king to a president. The only way to turn it back now is for a non-corrupt king to break the corrupt court and then divest himself of powers before a corrupt king ascends to the throne.
That seems logical, but can we try wishful thinking first?
Ah got it
What? No. The damage has been done and only Biden can do something about it, but he won't because he's a centrist and a coward. He'll just sit around waiting to lose the election and say that he stood by his principles.
Accelerationism is voting for the fat orange idiot and waiting for the country to burn.
Weird how if Biden uses any of the power he has to stop Trump from becoming Fuhrer then it will cause a civil war, but when Trump actually uses that power to become Fuhrer he will face no obstacles.
I changed my mind about what I wanted to say, but was I wrong?
EDIT And I changed my mind again. If Trump is so dangerous, the only way to really stop him is for Biden to win decisively. Instead, he's behind in fucking New Jersey in the latest polls. If he wins it'll be razor thin, maybe only by the electoral college or a few counties, and then the fascist Supreme Court will give it to Trump anyway. Lose/lose, at least if Biden does something really funny before he resigns he could make sure Trump can't become fuhrer.
More accurate: Socialists will always choose to side with fascists over liberals, because they really just want authoritarianism.
Though it's probably more accurate to say "tankie" isntead of "socialist", but since you're referring to tankies as socialists, I'll do the same.
I want Trump to lose in a fair election and go to prison for a very long time.
I mean, 2020 happened, he lost in a fair election. He did do crimes that should have landed him jail.
Now what? You’re saying it’s gonna happen this time?
As if that’s not gonna happen when Trump uses said powers? Indecisiveness will doom America. Act! The Heritage foundation, Trump, and the Republicans do. They ask for forgiveness, maybe, but not permission.
Indecisiveness = not assassinating the opponent?
America is doomed. Now both sides are calling for their chosen king to execute the other king. The experiment is over, hyper capitalism disguised as theology won. I want to vote for my chosen president in this election. This thread is telling me I should support my king executing the other king. Even if he gives up that power right after said execution, the president has made a precedent that the “checks and balances” are broken.
My prediction is that if an execution / forceful power grab is to happen, China will immediately invade the Phillipines and Taiwan, seeing the instability of the US, possibly Japan right after, since our new king will be too busy with the civil war or dismantling the government.
After that NATO and the EU will remove the US from any seat we have during said civil war, as we are no longer a democratic state.
The US arms companies will move to supplying the civil war in addition to just pumping Israel full of guns, maybe Russia too since it’s profitable and what even is regulation at this point.
By the time the US does stabilize, we’re a corporatocracy, as the only things left with real buying power are our tech companies and arms manufacturers, which at this point have their own mercenary security to defend against potential profit loss or have moved to other nations (Apple’s risk management division absolutely has these papers and plans drawn up seeing the political climate)
Canada will absolutely close its borders, and probably will be a hotbed of attempted immigration, ironically their right wing leaning government fighting the effects of our right wing government.
But yeah, we should yell at our king to assassinate the other potential king, instead of organizing, donating, campaigning and voting
Yes. Pretty much. Exactly. The alternative is Trump. So, yeah. Glad someone else recognizes America as we knew it is over.
You know the thought experiment where you go back in time and kill Hitler? We’re there. Take out Hitler.
The alternative is to do what Weimar Germany did and pretend it’s not happening, or, it won’t be that bad.
Learn from history.
That's bullshit. Most people I have talked to believe trump should be sentenced accordingly to the felonies he has been convicted of, not executed.
Sure, blowhards in their online echo chambers love to bloviate about all the doom and gloom, but we have seen enough propaganda as of late to question the veracity of these dubious claims.
Most Americans are pretty much fed up with politics at this point. But the misinformation needs to stop.
And if donnie wins?
Curiouser and curiouser 🤨
Immunity only benefits criminals. Biden is not a criminal so doesn't get any benefit from the ruling.
The ruling only benefits criminal Presidents like Trump.
Criminals have to be convicted.
If you do crime and don't get convicted, you're innocent. That's how the judicial system works and the Court just confirmed Nixon was right: when the president does it it's not a crime.
What powers would you have him use to stop him?
The powers just granted to him by the Supreme Court.
Any "official act" done by the President is now constitutional. He couldn't, like, shoot Trump at the next debate with a gun he smuggled on stage. What he could do is, as President from the Oval Office, order Trump's motorcade to be droned.
You clearly don’t understand how this works. And I’m not going to waste the time to explain it to you. It’s way too late in the game for that shit.
You’re entirely wrong about how that works. Just know that.
🤡
Does anyone else just not bother reading articles when they see it’s from The Daily Beast? I just don’t have the energy to deal with their paywall.
Agreed. Hell, I remember before they even had one.
Why pass new laws when you can break them instead!?
I hope you’re right, but I don’t think you are.
I don’t expect to have meaningful or fair elections for the foreseeable future if the fascists win in November, to the point that I have contingency plans for various scenarios in that domain.
I fervently hope for the second two things to happen if the first one does.
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Imagine if Biden with his newfound immunity decomissions the entire Supreme Court and raids it with military force just for the sake of tragic irony
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