Hugh Jackman as The Wolverine 2000 vs 2024
2 years ago by Blaze (he/him) to c/movies
Ugh so annoying. So like both in movies and body building, what they’re selling is actually not a healthy or strong physique—but someone who could be on the verge of organ failure.
I like the idea of fitness, and being in functionally good shape, so this sort of exaggeration is something I find uniquely distasteful—portraying a a goal state that is actually just a grift/scam, and that is dangerous to partake in.
Don’t some European countries have regulations against this kind of thing now? Like being forced to mark images as photoshopped and requiring that models have a certain BMI?
As far as I remember, it is Norway that has a law requiring social media influencers to label their pictures if they have been altered and it's France that requires models to stay over a certain BMI. I think both laws are good, but the latter one should maybe be adjusted to not strictly look at BMI as it would, for example, impact tall models differently than short ones.
Yeah I like the spirit, but BMI is such a stupid and flawed measure. It’s ok as like a population level heuristic to say things are trending one way or another, but like athletes that have lots of muscle and are tall look the same as morbidly obese people to BMI, which is obviously silly.
Yeah they will typically time the cutting/dehydration to film all the "muscle shots" at the same time. The actors are miserable during this time period, and will and will quickly hydrate/switch to maintenance eating after this
Yeah standard weight cutting, and then aggressive pre-show preparation. Ironically, they're probably at their weakest during competition / shows, due to the dehydration and starvation beforehand.
The not-shredded wolverine could lift harder and run longer than his tougher looking counterpart.
hydrohomie
Apparently, body builders commonly do this, too, from what I’m seeing in various comments
Yes, he explained this in the BTS for "Les Miserables"
A MUSICAL MOVIE WHERE THE CAST HAD TO SING LIVE ON SET. (I had to write that in caps to drive home the point and retraumatise all the theater kids in the audience)
Funny thing is that the comic character never even had this ott physique. He’s this hairy, barrel-chested little brawler.
Old picture looks like something you could plausibly achieve by going to the gym every day.
I would probably have a hard time to bulk up like that.
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after reading about how he gets this look, I don't enjoy it. same with The Witcher; yes, it looks attractive, but all I can think about is Henry Cavill talking about how when you're that dehydrated you can smell water from a distance
Yeah the whole "dehydrate the fuck out of yourself to make your muscles pop a bit" thing is so irresponsible. Jackman pulled the same thing for the opening prisoner scene in the Les Miserables movie, which was doubly irresponsible because he had to sing, and being dehydrated makes it really difficult to sing well, and potentially puts you at risk to damage your voice. I think I've seen interviews where they spent like several hours on that scene because his voice kept breaking. So not only was it super bad for Jackman, it also wasted the rest of the cast and crew's time.
I don't think that it was him who decided that it was necessary for the scene, though he might not have been against it. Production would not agree to loose money on multiple takes if they did not want the Jackman abs.
Edit: I agree that it's a completely irresponsible practice though!
The pic from 2000 looks pretty reasonable.
It reminds me of an interview I saw with Alan Richardson (?), the guy playing reacher on the Amazon series. It was in support of the new season, but basically the conversation revolved around how exhausting it was to maintain the required physique for the role, and how it meant he couldn’t do some of the things he normally enjoyed—he was too heavy to run without impact injury, and flexibility and reach was an issue.
I’d imagine transitioning between these physiques can probably be challenging and taxing on the body as well.
flexibility and reach was an issue.
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flexibility and reach was an issue.
I think the older Hugh gets, the better he looks as Wolverine.
It's definitely not the Disney/Marvel steroid program that Fox didn't put it's actors through....
Like, even the world's best trainers, nutritionists, and anything else couldn't consistently get these results.
They can take any random actor through that progression in like 9 months now.
There's no way they're all able to do it. It's worse than 90s baseball
I mean, it's dehydration, but on top of steroids.
Especially when you consider Jackman is fucking 55 years old. In the pic in the left from 20 years ago, he's too old to look like the pic on the right.
There is zero percent chance he's not on them.
Bro it's gear
Yeah gym gear like lifting gloves and gym shark leggings
That and a couple of intense workouts
It's just testosterone and trenbolone, plus maybe a very short run of oral superdrol. Couple that with a ten week cut and some diuretics plus simple carbs just before filming. Six months bulking, three months cutting, every meal calorie counted and tracking macros. Still very hard on your body and requires more or less constantly thinking about.
Why not just VFX the abs onto the actors? If any TikTok user has access to convincing beauty filters then surely Hollywood as well.
His arms are VFX in pool 3 not sure about the rest
I thought that was the joke of the movie. That his abs are fake. Because they looked so super oiled up and fake. I don't even see why not. They can only maintain that kind of physique for a day of shooting or so.
PEDs they're one Hell of a drug.
I don't know if it'd be healthier if the guys getting superhero bodies just said it was done to drugs (like Tom Hardy), plus having a personal doctor, trainer and chef - just something that is unattainable for most people and unwise. As I imagine it's a contributor to the problems with men's mental health.
You also have to wonder about the actor's long-term health as things like HGH are really risky and diuretics can really put a strain on your system. If I was in the current generation of superhero actors, I'd be keeping a close eye on the first generation of musclemen, action heroes. It may be, with Hollywood money, you get regular checks to spot problems early and avoid the fate of a lot of the bodybuilders and wrestlers in their generation.
Can't wait for Even Older Man Logan
Holy cow! 24 years! I knew he has been playing Wolverine for quite awhile, but 24 years playing the same character is insane. And he just keeps getting better at it. Haven't watch the new Deadpool yet, but I'm absolutely looking forward to it. Heard good things.
Sorry to spoil the story, one of those is heavily photoshopped.., I mean AI..ed.
When i saw the movie i thought the joke was CGI muscles. But in some podcasts and other things people talked about they are real. Really confusing. Also someone apparently asked how they got to get into shape and they said it was pretty easy, he was never out of shape. The difference between the left and right picture could just be heavy dehydration. Someone even mentioned that even a glass of water could "ruin" his physique
Movie trailers will deliberately use cgi for things to cover up what might be spoiled otherwise, they’ll sometimes show beef cake muscles in a trailer when the movie has them wearing a uniform/costume.
The trailer gets sex and doesn’t spoil anything.
In the comics Wolverine doesn't age, because of his healing factor. I think Hugh Jackman might actually be Wolverine.
No he's just naturally like that
He really committed to the part!
And he looked better in the first one.
Agree, looks much healthier and more natural. A better role model definitely.
Steroids are amazing!
Yeah dude’s not gonna live long if he keeps making Wolverine movies
lol do the people downvoting you think he’s natural?
AAMOF, 2000s Jackman's body resembles comic books' Wolverine more accurately.
Not really and Jackman didn't think so too. He was cast at the last minute and couldn't bulk up sufficiently in time. His form from X2 onwards is the form he aimed for.
Yes, really. Current Wolverine looks ripped in comics too, I see now, but he used to look more strong and compact than ripped in the 80s and 90s, even in the 2000s, depending on the artist. What was clear was Wolverine's anatomy wasn't tall-slim-ripped kind of Captain America. Also, we can't know what Jackman had in mind as in how many more pounds of muscle he would have aimed for, it's useless to discuss based on that, in the end, I don't think that's a decision made by actors.
Finally, if this was Jackman in X-Men 2, that's fine, in that movie Jackman looked great as Wolverine. I didn't watch this particular movie, in the trailer Jackman looks fine, but he doesn't show more than his arms. My comment was relative to the compared pictures.
look what they took from us
The one on the right looks like a stiff breeze could knock him over. The left one could actually hold his own in a fight.
I think they originally wanted a slightly more grounded approach at the time. But as the movies went on they wanted the characters to be more impossibly comic-chatacter-cut.
Maybe just once.
Bobblehead Wolverine
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Didn’t he explain one time that the key to looking really shredded for a movie is to get SUPER dehydrated right as filming begins? Think it was because then it makes your abs and other chest muscles stick out really prominently and achieves the Hollywood expectation for how strong guy should look
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