I hate the rich

2 years ago by no_nothing to c/memes

problematicPanther 138 points 2 years ago

I don't hate the Europeans for having fair working conditions. I hate the rich assholes that make my home country such a shitty place to live and work in.

It's time to emulate the french and set the place on fire if they don't start treating us fair.

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MewtwoLikesMemes 19 points 2 years ago

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Kaput 19 points 2 years ago

Or you can start with unions...

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voltaa 36 points 2 years ago

And how do you think unions come about? Historically it's by setting things on fire.

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explodicle 3 points 2 years ago

By actually talking to your coworkers about unionization, which is scarier for many of us than fantasies of an anonymous crowd.

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Rekorse 6 points 2 years ago

It mostly depends whether unions are successful or not under the current administration. Unionizing has gone bad before. You can't always blame the workers for not believing it would help, theres a lot of pressure from the other side.

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Overshoot2648 11 points 2 years ago

We need Syndicates and Worker/Consumer cooperatives as an end goal. Unions aren't the finish line and are only a bandaid over capital ownership.

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Cowbee 2 points 2 years ago

Markets aren't the finish line either, to be fair. Those retain the mechanisms that bring about inequality.

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problematicPanther 7 points 2 years ago

why not both?

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CanadianCarl 5 points 2 years ago

Or fires...

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EmpathicVagrant 8 points 2 years ago

The protests and strikes they keep quashing are the alternative to fires, destruction, and violence. It’s a social agreement the factory and warehouse owners want us to have forgotten.

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Noodle07 4 points 2 years ago

That means not enough fires

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Kalysta 3 points 2 years ago

Only for them to be destroyed in another 20 years by the rich

Nah. Break out the guillotines, it worked well for the French.

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Dirk 71 points 2 years ago

30 days paid vacation + bank holidays + regional holidays + 0.5 days of vacation each on Christmas and new years eve + generally not having to work on weekends + generally not having to work longer than 8 hours a day + public transport ticket paid by the company.

Cannot complain.

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treasure 21 points 2 years ago

Cannot complain.

Spotted the German.

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Ross_audio 2 points 2 years ago

I'm going for UK, specifically Scotland.

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daniskarma 51 points 2 years ago

I have:

14 fixed holidays.

31 vacation days.

35 hours workweek.

Summertime hours reduction (from 35 to 32 hours).

Fight for it, and force your countries and employers to apply those conditions, because I assure you, they are good.

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lichtmetzger 9 points 2 years ago

Summertime hours reduction (from 35 to 32 hours).

lol these are my regular hours (webdev in Germany with a 4-day work week)

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Courantdair 8 points 2 years ago

What's the name of your employer again?

Seriously, those are really good conditions, I'm glad you are aware of that.

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daniskarma 26 points 2 years ago

I cheated a little. As I'm employed by a public organization of the Spanish government. But it's true that we achieved these conditions because we have massive Unions here in the public sector. We are currently threatening with a strike if the remove remote work (as they are threatening to remove it).

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Courantdair 10 points 2 years ago

Nice, good luck with your fight, remote work is the future

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virku 0 points 2 years ago
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RaoulDook 2 points 2 years ago

I'm in the USA and I get 3 weeks paid vacation, 10 paid holidays, and 2 "personal days" which are also PTO, and more sick time than I am ever able to use up. I think I have over 200 hours of sick leave PTO accrued.

This is not a basic entry-level job though, it's after climbing the career ladder for years. It would be much nicer for our country's folks if everyone was allowed as much PTO by all jobs.

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Asafum 3 points 2 years ago

I only just this month "unlocked" my final week PTO after 7 years... 15 days PTO is the limit at my job :/

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bitchkat 0 points 2 years ago

I'm sorry.

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Doxatek 37 points 2 years ago

I'm an American working in the u.s. for a company based in Germany. They have soooo many more days off than us. They're out at least 3 months of the year before taking additional PTO. They like to bring their European values of work to the u s. But unfortunately that doesn't mean that I get any more off time. I save all year from January to December and if I never took any of it my PTO amounts to 3 weeks. If you're an American they have different standards for you because american work culture means getting fucked and hating your life lol.

That being said I still feel like the days I get are generous and I am happy and grateful. But that's only because I used to get nothing at my old job. It's only crappy if I compare to others which is the thief of joy and whatnot.

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Schmuppes 14 points 2 years ago
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thejoker954 1 point 2 years ago

Unfortunately Unions get corrupted easy.

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virku 1 point 2 years ago

Why is that?

I might be based coming from Norway where we have a very well regulated system with unions on both sides of the table. But I don't see our unions as something easily corruptable at all.

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thejoker954 1 point 2 years ago

Because there arent proper checks and balances.

So just like the corporate world and the us government the shitbags get in power and do whatever the hell they want with little to no repercussions.

The teamsters just went through that for years with that shitbag Hoffa jr. He just let the companies do pratically whatever they wanted.

Then you got stewards and shit who dont wanna do anything.

I didnt know any union reps/stewards until I went to managment.

Basically they only care about collecting dues and increasing their numbers.

They union doesn't 'demand' anything beyond paying dues from its members so you've got tons of people who really think they can act however they want.

Complete lack of any sort of rules of conduct and no work ethic.

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Xabis 8 points 2 years ago

I work for a company based in the uk, and I get off around thanksgiving until the start of the year. I horde my pto though.

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AdNecrias 5 points 2 years ago

3 months... Are you including weekends?

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volvoxvsmarla 5 points 2 years ago

Your first sentence sounds like the Zeiss add on youtube that has been after me several times a day for months now

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Spezi 1 point 2 years ago

Lol, I have seen that too.

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Tilgare 29 points 2 years ago

My wife got her first pay check last week at her new job in a US school district. I was certain something was wrong when it came in, but the pay stub did nothing to show the breakdown of hours, rate, etc. She finally got a response today - and I've learned that school breaks are NOT PTO. She gets zero PTO she can take during the school year, and while frustrating not to be able to choose when you take your time off, I assumed that was just because she gets the summer off. But apparently she gets no PTO AND takes 71 days out of the year off without pay, effectively. So they do you the favor of paying you over 12 months, but you still only get paid for hours worked. The rate of pay seemed like it would be a pay raise on the surface, but I never anticipated needing to dock it by 20%.

Zero PTO. Just the perks of American life.

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lennivelkant 3 points 2 years ago

Hourly wages for school teachers? I'm worried I might know the response, but does prep work outside school hours, in breaks etc. count as hours worked?

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Tilgare 2 points 2 years ago

She's not a teacher, shes in the library. But - she is allowed absolutely zero ot. She's already had her time card adjusted on days that she worked early or late to match her scheduled hours. And they only pay her for 7 hours a day, but it's an 8 hour work day and she hasn't once had the time to take a hour for lunch.

What even IS the recourse when it's not a comproration, but the government that is stealing your wages? 🤷 I think I'm more upset about it all than she is, because the quality of life is way higher than her last job. And so I'll just keep it all to myself.

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funkless_eck 2 points 2 years ago

my wife is an educator, and she teaches summer classes to cover the gap.

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TheHarpyEagle 25 points 2 years ago

The most heinous thing is lack of required sick time. And who is it that's least likely to get paid sick time? Customer service, of course, the ones coughing and sneezing all over your clothes and food.

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Yuki 17 points 2 years ago

I only got 7 a year and I live in Europe...

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JusticeForPorygon 26 points 2 years ago

That's 7 more than most Americans get

No but jokes aside where are you from so I don't move there

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Hope 12 points 2 years ago

It looks like the average is 11 PTO days a year according to Forbes, with nearly a third of employees getting zero. I myself get 24 days a year with it going up to 29 in about a year. That said I'm terrified of being effed over by layoffs so I've been hoarding them like a dragon for the payout, which is arguably way way worse than having a nice federal minimum of PTO days.

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TheHarpyEagle 8 points 2 years ago

Just make sure you actually do get a payout, had a friend screwed over by that recently.

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Mr_Blott 5 points 2 years ago
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Yuki -5 points 2 years ago

Netherlands. Fuck turkey lmao. The only thing turkeys are good for is being eaten during Thanksgiving.

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Mr_Blott 19 points 2 years ago
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problematicPanther 2 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't want to live in Turkey, but they do have good food.

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wintermute_oregon -9 points 2 years ago
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Yuki 6 points 2 years ago

I'm an electrician. How am I supposed to do this?

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BuboScandiacus 3 points 2 years ago

Unlimited ?

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wintermute_oregon -5 points 2 years ago
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BugleFingers 2 points 2 years ago

I work for a well known (international) business in the USA that used to be known for it's good benefits. Man are they ass now. 14 days a yr, 21 after 5 years, and could work your way up to 6 weeks at 30yrs. no lunch break, no pension, and some expensive health insurance that covers nothing. Now it used to be 21 starting 28 after 5 yrs, a pension and a lunch break, with some impressive healthcare. And they took away the upper limit of vacation you could get to be 4? IIRC After 30 years. (So 1 extra week after 5 years, then one more after another 25).

The pay is fine but no nearly what it used to be. It used to be $10+ over the competition, now it's barely $1. They are hurting to hire because of it too

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unexposedhazard 8 points 2 years ago

Which country has such a low minimum? Or was that not a full time job?

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JustEnoughDucks 5 points 2 years ago

He means weeks, not days

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InFerNo 6 points 2 years ago

The European minimum is 10 I think

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jimitsoni18 16 points 2 years ago

4-6 weeks?!

We Indians have 12 paid leaves per year.

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sebsch 16 points 2 years ago

Yes. In Germany 30 are quite common. A fried of mine additionally changed some bonus for 5 extra days this isn't the normal case but she has 35 days off

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datelmd5sum 5 points 2 years ago

HR had some bug in their system and I got about two extra weeks (7 total) for a few years, but I didn't complain about the bug.

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emergencyfood 2 points 2 years ago

Govt jobs in India have 30-40 days, which is 6-8 weeks. But the private sector will riot if you try mandating anything close to that.

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adespoton 13 points 2 years ago

I get 4 weeks, plus sick days, plus parental leave, various types of training days and charitable days, plus a 2 week carry-over and I’m neither American nor European.

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Pofski 4 points 2 years ago

Parental leave, sick days (unlimited), 10 national holidays, and 52 vacation days for me. And I am European. Edit. And two days telework a week.

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logir 4 points 2 years ago

I realized how I am biased when i thought "how can he be neither American nor European?"

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MissJinx 2 points 2 years ago

I was married to someone from a "third world" country and boy americans have so much worst than them. If I were american I would reather live there than in the US just to get all the benefits

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Asafum 2 points 2 years ago

That's almost exactly why our brainwashing elementary schooling is spent indoctrinating teaching us about how we're The Best, Most Free, Country In The World™©® and that all "3rd world" countries are war torn shitholes with nothing but cartels and warlords.

Can't let the peons learn it's actually much better elsewhere...

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Reverendender 11 points 2 years ago

American. I’m one of the lucky few who have unlimited PTO. I’m seriously underpaid though.

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ff0000 12 points 2 years ago

So how many days do you take a year? As the other comments also touch upon, it becomes an outperform thing with co- workers, to take the least amount to "perform better". Also how easy and often do managers then deny requests?

With a fixed set it has an actual value, at the company they can't deny PTO's as they are yours. Of course planning comes into play a little bit, but if you let the company know that 2 months from now you take 4 weeks off for a good long summer holiday, that is what you will be doing then in those 2 months.

ps. I have 25 personal paid days, a bunch of public holidays. Doctor's appointments are on the 'please try to schedule them outside working hours if possible, otherwise, well, that's life, you need to visit that doctor'. Full travel reimbursement (fixed amount per month, can spend however i want), A lot of secondary items in my contract as well dealing with having to take care of partner / children if they become sick (is paid time off), etc etc.

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Reverendender 2 points 2 years ago

I do not take as much as I should. 5 weeks last year? For doctor’s appointments and stuff like that though, no one cares. You just let your boss and your team know. I am on salary, not contract.

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pupbiru 5 points 2 years ago

i think that’s really the point - unlimited isn’t actually unlimited. unlimited means unspoken, and often variable limits based on the mood of managers

5 weeks is… pretty minimal

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Asafum 3 points 2 years ago

5 weeks is… pretty minimal

15 days is the limit at my job that you only get after 7 years working here. Seeing comments like this make me sad... Happy for you for sure, but sad for me cuz Murica'...

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Reverendender 1 point 2 years ago

I have never been turned down for PTO in 7 years at this company, for what it’s worth. I just don’t take enough vacation. It’s my own fault.

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Courantdair 11 points 2 years ago

Is that really a thing? I've seen it in a few job offers but I have trouble understanding how it works...

As I understand it you can take as many days as you want and it works on the company's trust, but that system sounds really toxic to me, isn't it?

Edit: I'm European with almost 7 weeks off a year for context

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dwindling7373 7 points 2 years ago

I've never experienced it but the somewhat obvious trick is that it turns into a race to the bottom, where if you want to outperform your peers (or even meet the expectations of the company), the number of days off you freely decided to take turns into a KPI.

So, people take even less days off when they are made free to take any amount.

It's why in Italy, for example, you can not refuse to go to holiday.

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dgmib 3 points 2 years ago

It’s a lie.

By making it “unlimited” they don’t need to pay you out of you don’t use all of PTO days.

If you use it more than they think you’ve earned you get terminated.

Employees end up afraid of taking their PTO days and typically end up taking even less time off than if they knew there was a expectation of 3 weeks or whatever.

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Reverendender 1 point 2 years ago

I don’t think payout is a factor for salaried positions

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dgmib 1 point 2 years ago

It depends on the jurisdiction, but in most cases if you have a salaried position with say 3 weeks of PTO but you only take 2 weeks of it. The employer is usually required to pay you over and above your salary for working during your “vacation time”.

If there’s an unlimited PTO policy, they don’t have an obligation to pay you extra for working during vacation time.

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orca 3 points 2 years ago

I have unlimited and I’ve seen a few people take 2 weeks off consecutively. So it seems like the company is pretty flexible and doesn’t put artificial limitations on it. That said, I’m pretty sure even a month off wouldn’t fix the damage that’s been done to my brain from years stacked upon years of redlining it to write code and solve problems. I find as I get older I need more time off to truly disconnect.

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RememberTheApollo_ 9 points 2 years ago

I get 5 weeks.

In the US.

Thanks to a union.

And I get paid the hours on top of regular pay at the end of the year if I don’t use the vacation. Nobody gives you a second thought if you use your vacation. Zero pressure not to fuck off for a week or more.

Go Union.

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feedum_sneedson 7 points 2 years ago

Self-employed, and not very well. I don't get any paid days off, unfortunately.

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Nexz 9 points 2 years ago

Well, that should be part of your hourly rate. I’m also self-employed and sick and personal days-off are factored in (with a large margin too, just in case!).

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feedum_sneedson 5 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing.

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Nexz 3 points 2 years ago

Well, you kind of implied that saying you don’t have days off… if you factor it in you certainly have, you just choose to not spend them.

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feedum_sneedson 0 points 2 years ago

I wasn't being sarcastic, I literally have no idea what I'm doing.

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Vilian 6 points 2 years ago

Not only european Brazil have paid leave too, and others more democratic countries

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Crikeste 10 points 2 years ago

Oh god, you don’t want to hear what the average American has to say about Brazil. Or really, any other country than America. Americans will do anything and everything to justify the totalitarianism they live under.

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Vilian 4 points 2 years ago

True, I mean the totalitarianism they live on is the first in the history where companies own the country, that's why they got so mad when Brasil banned twitter, they can't fathom a company getting punished for breaking the law

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marcos 4 points 2 years ago

is the first in the history where companies own the country

Hum... You need to learn some history.

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Vilian 2 points 2 years ago

True, when I wrote I thought about that, but was too lazy to fix

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NigelFrobisher 6 points 2 years ago

Australia is weirdly crap for this too. Only twenty days annual leave, though in theory you can bank it forever until you die at your desk.

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DemocratPostingSucks 2 points 2 years ago

20 workdays is 4 weeks non?

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NigelFrobisher 2 points 2 years ago

I had 26 before :( At least there are endless AFL themed public holidays.

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Raiderkev 5 points 2 years ago

I'm an American that had that, then we got bought by a German company that took it away. Shit's fucked.

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SubArcticTundra 5 points 2 years ago

Wtf that goes against reason

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JASN_DE 6 points 2 years ago

No, why? That's capitalism for you. It's still a US company/subsidiary, just with a German owner.

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Venicon 4 points 2 years ago

35 days hols per year, would be 27 or something but they give us the English bank holidays as part of our allocation (am Scottish but it’s UK company).

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ODuffer 4 points 2 years ago

28 days + 8 Bank Holidays. Easter is great, you can have 16 days not at work, and only use 8 days holiday. (Good Friday and Easter Monday are Bank holidays, and I don't work weekends)

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