Android apps are blocking sideloading and forcing Google Play versions instead

2 years ago by lemme in to c/technology

"Select Play Partners" can block unofficial installation of their apps.

You might sideload an Android app, or manually install its APK package, if you're using a custom version of Android that doesn't include Google's Play Store. Alternately, the app might be experimental, under development, or perhaps no longer maintained and offered by its developer. Until now, the existence of sideload-ready APKs on the web was something that seemed to be tolerated, if warned against, by Google.

This quiet standstill is being shaken up by a new feature in Google's Play Integrity API. As reported by Android Authority, developer tools to push "remediation" dialogs during sideloading debuted at Google's I/O conference in May, have begun showing up on users' phones. Sideloaders of apps from the British shop Tesco, fandom app BeyBlade X, and ChatGPT have reported "Get this app from Play" prompts, which cannot be worked around. An Android gaming handheld user encountered a similarly worded prompt from Diablo Immortal on their device three months ago.

Google's Play Integrity API is how apps have previously blocked access when loaded onto phones that are in some way modified from a stock OS with all Google Play integrations intact. Recently, a popular two-factor authentication app blocked access on rooted phones, including the security-minded GrapheneOS. Apps can call the Play Integrity API and get back an "integrity verdict," relaying if the phone has a "trustworthy" software environment, has Google Play Protect enabled, and passes other software checks.

Graphene has questioned the veracity of Google's Integrity API and SafetyNet Attestation systems, recommending instead standard Android hardware attestation. Rahman notes that apps do not have to take an all-or-nothing approach to integrity checking. Rather than block installation entirely, apps could call on the API only during sensitive actions, issuing a warning there. But not having a Play Store connection can also deprive developers of metrics, allow for installation on incompatible devices (and resulting bad reviews), and, of course, open the door to paid app piracy.

load all comments
koncertejo 286 points 2 years ago

If the Play Store becomes required like that then Android's already-shaky status as an open source base platform is going to go out the window. I'm glad there are non-Google distros of Android but there really needs to be more of a push to make a completely FOSS phone platform.

path: 0 12309082, hotness: undefined, score: 286, children: 29
IllNess 68 points 2 years ago

There are Linux phones available. I,m going to guess popularity of those devices to increase soon.

path: 0 12309082 12309368, hotness: undefined, score: 68, children: 20
SnotFlickerman 56 points 2 years ago

That was the hope with Android, too.

The problem is that as the OS is "free" that means it costs less functionally for the device manufacturer to get an OS on the device, so now they can pour more money into bloatware.

Android was supposed to stop bloatware but all it did was enable it.

Even without a forced "store" Linux is prey to the same issue of piecemeal support from various vendors all with in-house solutions that all stink.

path: 0 12309082 12309368 12309942, hotness: undefined, score: 56, children: 1
vikingtons 39 points 2 years ago

As much as I want that to be the case, I don't think full mobile gnu+Linux is really ready to use daily?

I haven't exactly been keeping up with things, mind you

path: 0 12309082 12309368 12311266, hotness: undefined, score: 39, children: 6
MrLLM 21 points 2 years ago

I,m going to guess popularity of those devices to increase soon.

I don’t want to be pessimistic about it, however I think it’s gonna be like Windows: enshittification will happen, but inconvenience is “too small” for people that they’ll rather check for a workaround than leave the platform.

My guess is that we need something more appealing like the Steam Deck to make people take the step.

path: 0 12309082 12309368 12309900, hotness: undefined, score: 21, children: 3
AceFuzzLord 18 points 2 years ago

Sadly the only people who would switch over to an actual Linux phone would be the people like the stereotypical Linux using Lemmy user. The average android user would just continue on like nothing happened because they're not tech literate enough to know what's going on or why they should care.

path: 0 12309082 12309368 12313295, hotness: undefined, score: 18, children: 1
helenslunch 13 points 2 years ago
path: 0 12309082 12309368 12313381, hotness: undefined, score: 13, children: 1
namingthingsiseasy 12 points 2 years ago

But part of the appeal of Linux is the fact that you can repurpose existing computers running other OSes to run Linux instead. This is a great way to lower the barrier to entry for Linux, because it's easy to test it on a Live USB or a dual boot. It's much harder to do this on phones because they have locked bootloaders.

Another problem is that phones are not productivity devices - they're consumption devices. Maybe this is just my personal bias, but I don't think people will be as passionate about liberating their phones because they're inherently less useful than computers. Convenient, yes, but useful? Not as much.

That said, I would love to be proven wrong. I would definitely consider a Linux phone if they become more popular/useful, but I can't really justify spending hundreds of euros/dollars on something for which I don't see any particular use.

path: 0 12309082 12309368 12310165, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 1
XTL 8 points 2 years ago

There aren't, really. There are a few antiques and half baked things.

A big problem is that these days, unless you're the size of Apple or Samsung, it's impossible to get a reasonable hardware soc and modem other than one which only runs a soon obsolete blob laden android which is going to be EOL before you've even finished your design.

The hardware is not there. The firmware/hw data/platform isn't there even to begin OS work with. And there's a global shipping, regulation and mobile operator hell waiting on the other side. And a product lifecycle that's only a few years long.

Yes, I've worked for phone manufacturers.

path: 0 12309082 12309368 12316779, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
whats_all_this_then 23 points 2 years ago

The more I think about it, this may finally convince me to...shudders...switch to an iPhone. I've always stayed on Android because despite the recent Google bullshit, it still for the most part lets me do whatever. Side-loading apks is a huge part of that.

If it's turning into a shittier iOS clone, what's the point?

path: 0 12309082 12314494, hotness: undefined, score: 23, children: 3
Corkyskog 18 points 2 years ago

Don't do IOS, it's such a pain. It took us 2 days to figure out how to play an audio book file that I was able to download an F-droid app for and play in like 3 minutes.

path: 0 12309082 12314494 12316261, hotness: undefined, score: 18, children: 1
vext01 3 points 2 years ago

Can you side load on ios?

Seems like the kind of thing they wouldn't want you to do?

path: 0 12309082 12314494 12322007, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
FangedWyvern42 9 points 2 years ago

There are Linux mobile operating systems like PostmarketOS, but they are too early in development to be used by most people.

path: 0 12309082 12314149, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 1
TheLastOfHisName 2 points 2 years ago

Murena phones look promising. And you can download their e/OS if you want to flash the phone you have, provided it's supported. https://murena.com

path: 0 12309082 12314149 12317016, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
littlewonder 8 points 2 years ago

Seems stupid of them to crackdown on sideloading given their recent and ongoing monopoly spanking.

path: 0 12309082 12328778, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
where_am_i 1 point 2 years ago

If someone would be buying those, someone would be selling. You have all the opportunity to fork current android, put it on a different platform, make sure all the drivers are open source instead of blobs, and sell it.

I'd really want to buy one. But I'll only do that after you somehow make sure the 3-5 major messaging apps, 2-3 major browsers, and a really good maps app are available.

So, basically, it's a 100 mil endeavor for an MVP really. So, I think, the chances of someone actually pulling it off are pretty slim.

path: 0 12309082 12326275, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
technology
technology

@lemmy.world

login for more options
85675
20032
16216

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.

Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


go to feed...