Reddit CEO slams protesters, says he'll change site rules

3 years ago by ShadowHawk to c/lemmyworld

Steve Huffman, the Reddit CEO, told NBC News in an interview that a user protest on the site this week is led by a minority of moderators and doesn’t have wide support.
eta_aquarid 186 points 3 years ago

the irony of a goddamned CEO calling unpaid volunteers "landed gentry"

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Saga 80 points 3 years ago
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hemmes 3 points 3 years ago

The greed is…palpable

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atzanteol 60 points 3 years ago

He's going full Elon.

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DarthRedLeader 44 points 3 years ago

In the interview, Huffman also praised the cost-cutting by Twitter owner Elon Musk, calling the reduced headcount there an example of how a social media site can be without the massive revenue of a company like Google.

I mean, wtf

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bionicjoey 28 points 3 years ago

calling the reduced headcount there an example of how a social media site can be without the massive revenue of a company like Google.

My brother in Christ, you raised the head count

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ElectricCattleman 10 points 3 years ago

Right? It's like wikipedia tripling their paid staff, then complaining that they aren't getting enough donations to break even.

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LawnMooser 19 points 3 years ago
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samus12345 8 points 3 years ago

Users ARE the product - the trick is to make using the site attractive enough that they'll stick with it regardless.

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GrandMoffFartin 7 points 3 years ago

Elongated has a rabid fan base built around what were perceived to be real accomplishments towards the betterment of mankind. That's not true, of course, but he's also actually wildly, wildly rich.

By contrast I have yet to find a single person who supports Spez or even likes him at all. His accomplishments, real or imagined, are nothing. He's rich but so, so, so much less rich that the contrast is like comparing our moon to the sun.

This is like a kid with a plastic butter knife comparing himself to John Wayne Gacy.

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Synthuir 50 points 3 years ago

He’s doing this on purpose.

He’s repurposing leftist talking points into a pro-corporatist clusterfuck as an attempt at populism. He knows that there are a fair number of people and communities on Reddit that will be overall supportive of these politics.

The idea is to get people thinking, “Yeah, I’ve heard that term before, it’s bad! And yeah, I’ve dealt with power-tripping mods before, so it must be true!” If they haven’t been paying attention to the finer points of the news around this (blackmail claims on C. Selig, gaslighting about 3rd party apps not wanting to work w/ Reddit, etc.), then this may be enough to get some people on Reddit, Inc.’s side. It worked for some people with Trump, for others with Musk, and with Huffman’s recent praise of Musk’s managerial style…

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tal 27 points 3 years ago

I don't know if using metaphors where the logical extension of mods being landed gentry is your product being a feudal kingdom, you the king, and the users the peasants is necessarily all that clever of a quote to start spreading around.

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DarthRedLeader 10 points 3 years ago

Agreed. The only problem is that I think most people will stop at landed gentry and say, "BAD!" without thinking through the full context like you just did.

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Aliendelarge 6 points 3 years ago

Thats exactly what I expect out of a large swath of redditors. All this just to avoid the work of making the official app not suck.

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bionicjoey 21 points 3 years ago

The fact that he keeps making comments at all is so weird to me. Like he is truly terrible at PR. Every time he opens his mouth the situation gets worse for him.

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escaped_cruzader 9 points 3 years ago

When a man becomes so rich and his "thing" so popular, he thinks he is smart enough to be an expert in anything all at once

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nonfuinoncuro 8 points 3 years ago

Reminds me of SBF's bizarre interview spree right before he got arrested. Or Alex Murdaugh that southern lawyer that killed a bunch of people and stole a bunch of money and thought it would be a good idea to testify in his own trial and got destroyed by cross-examination smh

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abff08f4813c 36 points 3 years ago

Talk about out of touch.

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funkyb 23 points 3 years ago

ya my immediate reaction was "wow, how tone deaf." It's pretty clear to me that this clown is just repackaging the same talking points the VCs are using to influence his weak-minded ass.

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sirboozebum 10 points 3 years ago

One of these reporters should ask him why he was a moderator of /r/jailbait

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fubo 107 points 3 years ago

When a tree dies, it dies slowly. The heart of it rots, and then the roots stop growing, and only much later do the branches stop growing new green leaves. By the time the whole trunk falls over, there've been raccoons burrowing into the rotten heartwood for years.

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Gorillan 41 points 3 years ago

With this analogy Lemmy could be the sapling that one day will grow into a large tree!

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Darohan 29 points 3 years ago

We are a whole forest - the beauty of federation tbh.

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Mohkia 6 points 3 years ago

And the fediverse is the mycelium network that connects us all.

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minimar 4 points 3 years ago

And the users are the... rain?

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nickajeglin 5 points 3 years ago

Waow 😮 <3

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kogasa 27 points 3 years ago

I wanted to be the raccoon.

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eXoShini 10 points 3 years ago

I wanted to be the capybara.

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AmbientChaos 6 points 3 years ago

Okay I pull up

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flint5436 4 points 3 years ago

Then be the racoon. Drive up the cost. Upload hour-long videos of white noise or pictures of John Oliver beeing sexy. I think I am going to create a couple of throwaway accounts just to show how unprofitable reddit can be ;)

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kogasa 3 points 3 years ago

I respect that, but I'm more interested in raccoons personally

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bionicjoey 16 points 3 years ago

Lemmy is a field of saplings

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Saga 95 points 3 years ago
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RarePepeCollector 51 points 3 years ago

He's a privileged white boy complaining about slavery while operating scheme to not pay his employees.

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overzeetop 9 points 3 years ago

Following the true core of (his alma mater) UVA’s founder’s principles. He’s probably fucking one of the in-house supermods on the side, too.

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SlingerOGrady 80 points 3 years ago

If I can't win I'll make my own rules...Jesus guy just admit you were wrong.

Side note, did anyone see how /r/Pics handled this after they opened back up because it was beautiful. Around 2300 users voted to open /r/Pics again and 37k users voted to keep protesting in their own special way.

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cyn 46 points 3 years ago

Read the poll again, reopen had negative 2300 votes

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SlingerOGrady 15 points 3 years ago

Oof, missed that little hypen...that makes it worse.

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ComradePupIvy 5 points 3 years ago

how are they protesting?

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Tot 41 points 3 years ago

Only images of John Oliver looking sexy are allowed.

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panoptic 11 points 3 years ago

But are there really any images of John Oliver not looking sexy?

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koraro 8 points 3 years ago

No. That just gives the sub plenty of content.

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samus12345 7 points 3 years ago

No. Per the rules, any picture of John Oliver is sexy

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boopinsnoots 8 points 3 years ago

Damn I never thought I would want to go back but this temptation might be too great, I gotta see those sexy pictures.

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cedarmesa 78 points 3 years ago

💀

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DevilsVice 9 points 3 years ago

I think that goes for all authoritarians really, I mean, post WW2 east Germany was the German Democratic Republic, which was anything but democratic under Soviet occupation. Fascists for sure, but don't think authoritarian communists don't use the same playbook.

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Eldritch 3 points 3 years ago

While I definitely think it's a bad idea to closely equate the two. You are not that wrong. Fascists are far worse. But authoritarians in general are not desirable. When those in control of absolute power feel threatened for their power the well-being of those underneath them goes out the window. It's how you get waves of genocide under fascists. And dissenters under authoritarian leninist communism shooting themselves in the back of the head three times or falling out of the window backwards onto bullets.

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MiddleWeigh 3 points 3 years ago

Sounds like a people problem to me. We really gotta take better care of ourselves, don't we? All of us. How do you ever stop this from happening? Where do we go from here? I guess that's why the status quo is upheld.

What a slow rolling machine we are.

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Eldritch 4 points 3 years ago

It definitely is a problem of human nature to be sure. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Most people just want to live their lives and don't seek power. The few that do seek power generally should never have it. But we do need some minimal power structures.

Part of the biggest issues is education. In western nations Political literacy and education is purposefully deficient. Because it benefits those in charge of the systems. Not to say it isn't similar in other style countries. Ignorance is always a useful tool however.

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cedarmesa 1 point 3 years ago
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azerial 78 points 3 years ago path: 0 285757, hotness: undefined, score: 78, children: 0
Tempiz 70 points 3 years ago

I love the irony of him calling Reddit a democracy while also refusing to budge on the API issue. You can’t have it both ways.

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FanciestPants 9 points 3 years ago

Democracy for the volunteers while Spez maintains the "landed gentry" only for himself. This shithead's lack of self awareness would be comically stupid if it were in any way comical.

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CanadianNomad 7 points 3 years ago
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Ryumast3r 3 points 3 years ago

Also I can't believe he doesn't see how problematic voting for mod privileges can be. There's a reason reddit has refused to allow users to vote out moderators in the past. If you allow voting, you allow outsidebrigadier, astroturfing, and also just petty mod squabbling. The solution reddit has always offered in the past was "create your own new subreddit for the idea you want and then get people to come over to it". In general it's worked. The existence of r/pics hasn't disallowed other picture-based subreddits from flourishing, same with r/funny and, well, actually funny subs.

Allowing votes on moderation just opens reddit up to a lot of shenanigans that I don't think the admin team is ready for.

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scutiger 56 points 3 years ago

This week’s rebellion is a response to part of Reddit’s plan to succeed as a business

Not a hint of bias in this article, is there?

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makeitso 25 points 3 years ago

Hahha right “the rebellion!”

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someguy3 50 points 3 years ago

Hilarious that he wants democracy to get rid of mods, but he wants absolute power for himself.

And tell me more how this will attract unpaid mods.

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arnoldlayne 2 points 3 years ago

I think there will be mods either way. There are too many lonely people desperate for any kind of recognition and lust for power.

What we'll have to see if how that actually works out

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DarthRedLeader 47 points 3 years ago

So part of the issue with this "democracy" idea and making it easier to vote out mods is that Huffman has literally been found guilty of changing comments.

That, along with the fact that we can't trust reddit to not chime in with false accounts to swing the vote make me dubious that it would work.

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gmmxle 37 points 3 years ago

I'll start believing in Reddit's commitment to direct democracy when users will be able to also vote out admins and u/spez if they don't like their decisions.

Until then, it's just corporatism under the guise of some fluffy words.

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SterlingVapor 10 points 3 years ago

It's like when you let kids vote on what to do for the school faire.

Not only will the teacher and school change the result if they don't like the winning suggestion, you also can't vote to do nothing or protest the event

It's just a way to give you the illusion of autonomy to boost engagement. It's only a choice between the decisions they find (more or less) equally acceptable

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AcidOctopus 39 points 3 years ago

Gee, I feel so slammed right now, you don't even know.

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Mac 10 points 3 years ago

I don't. I'm not a Reddit user (anymore).

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LostRedditor 7 points 3 years ago

Next up: Blasted.

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MiddleWeigh 39 points 3 years ago

I just visited reddit for the first time in a week and it feels gross 😝

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0uterzenith 18 points 3 years ago

Lol, more than half of my frontpage doesn't even show up, it's just the same subs over and over again. Made me check Lemmy more often

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MiddleWeigh 10 points 3 years ago

Ya I'm honestly getting better more thought provoking content here and stuff I'd never scroll past on reddit cause you have to really narrow your interests down cause how much there is. So I'm learning new stuff.

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BuckWylde 4 points 3 years ago

I've gone there a couple of times in the last few days to try to hunt down an invilte to tildes.net and it also feels like i'm doing something bad.

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Meganium97 1 point 3 years ago
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BuckWylde 1 point 3 years ago

From what I know it's a different entity.

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scottywh 1 point 3 years ago

Message /u/Doug from an account that isn't brand new and ask if he has any more invites. That's who I got mine from.

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BuckWylde 2 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the tip and I sent a PM!

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BuckWylde 2 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a shot!

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Kaiser 36 points 3 years ago

After seeing what r/pics and r/gifs are doing I doubt voting would work out in his favor anyway. A surprising about of the user base is behind the protest.

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MTO 13 points 3 years ago

It’s just a matter of migrating them to a new platform. Lemmy has a small learning curve, but unfortunately it’s enough to turn off a lot of users. Hopefully with the influx of users, someone smarter than me can figure out how to streamline the user experience here.

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Fagosaurus 14 points 3 years ago

I don’t get the learning curve. I’ve been on it for 15 minutes. So far it looks exactly like Reddit. And seems more user friendly.

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MrGeekman 7 points 3 years ago

Yeah, except when you want to do anything with other instances.

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jerrimu 5 points 3 years ago

We're on one of the biggest instances, so you can still have a nice feed before you learn how to work with instances.

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MiddleWeigh 5 points 3 years ago

I was hooked right away too. Feels like home tbh.

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MrGeekman 6 points 3 years ago

Browser extensions help a bit, but just not on iOS.

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chaorace 32 points 3 years ago

“I would like subreddits to be able to be businesses if they choose,” he said, adding that’s “another conversation, but I think that’s the next frontier of Reddit.”

How ominous. This was an interview excerpt, so I have no way of verifiably knowing what Huffman looked like as he said this... but I'm fairly confident that he must have been rubbing his hands together and salivating as his pupils slowly morphed into dollar signs.

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TechnoBabble 5 points 3 years ago

Why on earth would he say that now?

Does he think the promise of more oppressive monetization is going to calm everyone down?

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melonplant 5 points 3 years ago

He said it, smiling maniacly as the interviewer clawed at his hands around her throat.

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overzeetop 5 points 3 years ago

It definitely involved him putting a pinky to the corner of his mouth.

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sirboozebum 4 points 3 years ago

He probably had a hand free and was pleasuring himself.

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bionicjoey 4 points 3 years ago

Mr Burns voice: "Eeeexcelent"

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samus12345 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 271196 294389, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
Senseibu 31 points 3 years ago

Will just lead to even more leaving.

Like I give a fuck anyway, reddit is dead to me now. Died a long time ago when my front page, even advice animals, got clogged with political and mediocre posts.

Reddit went mediocre a long time ago

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tchotchony 31 points 3 years ago

As I go back there now after the protest, I find reddits' content less and less interesting. I used to be able to lose hours on there, now I get bored after 5 minutes and get back to lemmy. It'll keep on existing, but here's hoping many more mainstream and non-techy users like me found the fediverse and know there's valid alternatives now.

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Mistymtn421 21 points 3 years ago

Some part of our brains knew we were losing the real people. It hasn't felt right there in awhile. I wonder how many bots we were talking to thinking they weren't.

I've commented more this week than the past year on there.

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sailsperson 13 points 3 years ago

Tell me about it! I swear they have been making adjustments to their algorithms for the past months year.

Before thee protest, I've been getting increasingly annoyed at the content Reddit decides to show me. The subs I chose to follow are all great and often offer something engaging in the best ways possible, and finding a good piece of content there has never been an issue... expect for the past time, where I got what felt like pre-digested and advertiser-friendly posts that I was supposed to maybe vote on and keep scrolling.

I understand that business is about money, but seeing tech largely following the same practices and strategies just to keep pumping cash for execs to liquidate is so mind-numbing and obnoxious. That's gonna sound stupid, but sometimes I wish the tech people would just kick the finance people out of the field and do their own thing, which is what the average people like, too, simply because that's the conditions when really cool and enjoyable shit is born.

Or maybe we all should just collectively pile up some cash buy some land, build ourselves a self-sustainable settlement and get away from the hungry execs.

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panoptic 7 points 3 years ago

We all just lack spez's grand vision of a corporate future where we all are simply not allowed to avoid talking about Rampart.

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DigDoug 6 points 3 years ago

The fact that I never saw any content from /r/switchhacks on my feed despite having been subscribed for years led me to believe that Nintendo had had a "discussion" with Reddit and they complied.

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kronicmage 1 point 3 years ago

Do you know if there's a switch hacks community in the threadiverse?

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DigDoug 2 points 3 years ago

I couldn't find one.

There's one for Switch piracy, but there aren't any posts yet.

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Raffster 1 point 3 years ago
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Morcyphr 7 points 3 years ago

I went back there for like 3 minutes today and found myself getting angry at some stupid argument that didn't matter to me really but still got to me. I don't need that, I got enough irl. Lemmy et al. ain't perfect, but at least it's not that shithole.

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skillissuer 4 points 3 years ago
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WheresYourShoe 6 points 3 years ago

I honestly found myself browsing Facebook more and more over the past several months, rather than Reddit. It just wasn't holding my interest like it used to. I was a Reddit user from summer '07 until June 11th, 2023, but the switch to the fediverse was easy. I've really enjoyed the last few days here.

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Anon2971 30 points 3 years ago

Is anyone else really entertained at this point by watching this pompus asshat's arrogance single-handledly dismantling the pretty solid reputation Reddit has as a social media platform? It's like I blink and he thinks "hmm, how can I say something worse to show everyone how strong and powerful I am?"

I mean if Reddit's going to go down, may as well go down in the most spectacular self-emulation possible. Solid alternatives are already formed and off to the races. Go off my guy.

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jumperalex 8 points 3 years ago

He just need to hold it together long enough for the IPO. Catch his pay day, and then Reddit can die for all /u/Spez cares about the rotting husk he'll leave behind. Fuck him.

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KingGordon 4 points 3 years ago

It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. I cannot look away.

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MajinBlayze 2 points 3 years ago

I won't lie, I'm kind of annoyed by the fact that the most active posts here are talking about reddit. Even so, here I am contributing to the "problem"

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WolfBearSheep67 24 points 3 years ago

He could be saying this to appease investors. Meh he can go right ahead. Done with Reddit and the ad spam.

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xtremeownage 21 points 3 years ago

F U/Spez.

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tallwookie 17 points 3 years ago

fine, do it then. I dare you. I double dog dare you!

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Piecemakers3Dprints 15 points 3 years ago

Oooh, there's only the Triple Sinister Dog Dare left! 😱😬

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Zerlyna 17 points 3 years ago

Really hoping the hardcore people are here now. Fuck *eddit.

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DrGunjah 9 points 3 years ago

Don't even need to be that hardcore, just have some self respect. Spez made it clear what he thinks of mods and users. If you don't draw a line here they will just make the "peasants" eat more and more shit in the future.

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spark431 14 points 3 years ago

Go ahead dude, I'm done with reddit.

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Tor 14 points 3 years ago

"minority"

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spark431 13 points 3 years ago

Does this dude even use reddit? The proper response on reddit to users not agreeing with mods is to start their own sub to fill the void. That's what happened with r/animetitties. But guess what - no one is doing that because we all don't want to see these changes. Sorry to vent more about this loser, but c'mon man.

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PancitCantot 13 points 3 years ago

Oh no, this will attract unpaid mods.

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James_Harmony 12 points 3 years ago

A lot of mods already opened back up. Reddit wont have to do nothin the way things are going

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someguy3 11 points 3 years ago

The mods may/should be questioning why they bother. I think we'll see many leaving over time.

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samus12345 2 points 3 years ago

We'll see whether or not the 3PAs dying makes their jobs harder enough that they leave or not.

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MajinBlayze 2 points 3 years ago

In the smallish sub I mod (~300k subs) the mods are discussing what to do. One will step down regardless of what happens. One is trying to migrate us to Lemmy, and the others have not made up their minds. From the outside it still looks like it's business as usual though.

Silence doesn't necessarily mean acceptance

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CannaVet 10 points 3 years ago

Did anybody else lose the ability to report? I guess that's why I got a week ban for "report abuse" even though the linked report was agreed with and actioned by Reddit, they're starting to take down anyone flagging the Christoterroism shit since Spez has allied up with Musk.

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ClamDrinker 9 points 3 years ago path: 0 270438, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 0
sockinacock 9 points 3 years ago

Anybody else starting to suspect that spez might have committed a teeny tiny bit of investor fraud?

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c0c0c0 7 points 3 years ago

Judging by what I saw on my last day on Reddit, he may be right.

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cassetti 3 points 3 years ago

K, thx bye. So long and thanks for all the fish

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Casmael 2 points 3 years ago

So long so long so long and thanks

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Dick_Justice 2 points 3 years ago

Who?

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