Palworld ditches Pokéball-style summoning mechanic amid Nintendo legal battle

2 years ago by alessandro to c/pcgaming

Palworld developer Pocket Pair has released an update for the creature-catching survival game removing the ability to s…
NOT_RICK 154 points 2 years ago

Lame. Thanks, Nintendo. Got forbid you actually try to outcompete.

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FartsWithAnAccent 109 points 2 years ago

"Don't innovate, litigate!"

-Nintendo

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onlinepersona 0 points 2 years ago path: 0 13921614 13922135 13946699, hotness: undefined, score: 0, children: 0
adarza 101 points 2 years ago

These primarily cover throwing an object in a specific direction to either summon a battle character or to capture a creature in the field - mechanics Palworld shared with Pokémon at launch.

sounds like a mechanic found in a number of video games.

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catloaf 17 points 2 years ago

Like what? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

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Shiggles 55 points 2 years ago

You could argue against anything involving throwing a net to capture something, like monster hunter for the small fauna. Ark has “cryo pods” that function basically like pokeballs.

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stinky 51 points 2 years ago
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bane_killgrind 21 points 2 years ago

Bulma keeps machinery in tiny capsules

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iheartneopets 18 points 2 years ago

They should go after Rockstar for the mechanic of throwing a rope at an animal to catch it, if this is the criteria. Ridiculous.

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Leate_Wonceslace 17 points 2 years ago

The VG made by pocketpair before the patent was issued for one.

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figjam 13 points 2 years ago

Summoning a dedra in skyrim?

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catloaf 6 points 2 years ago

You don't throw an object for that, you cast a spell, and I don't remember being able to target it, but then I never really used those spells.

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figjam 2 points 2 years ago

It is a spell but iirc the animation is a little ball that goes where you point it.

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Strawberry 12 points 2 years ago path: 0 13921744 13922038 13929093, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 0
bert 6 points 2 years ago

Does Ghostbusters count?

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zer0hour 5 points 2 years ago

Helldivers has this, I believe. if a teammate dies then you have to throw an object to summon down a drop pod at a specific location

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FartsWithAnAccent 3 points 2 years ago

Uh, nets IRL for starters, but there are shitloads of games with capture and summon mechanics ranging from Ghost Busters to ARK to Ratchet and Clank to fucking Skyrim.

Edit: Downvote all you want, but don't ask the question if you don't want the answer.

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bilb -1 points 2 years ago

Interesting, every example people have given you in response is pretty weak. (I'm not saying I agree with Nintendo have any exclusive claim here.)

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JackbyDev 11 points 2 years ago

That's the weird thing. It doesn't seem to matter. The patent was filed after PalWorld was released. I'm guessing this is some quirk of Japan's patent system I'm unfamiliar with.

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FartsWithAnAccent 9 points 2 years ago

That's because it is, Pokemon didn't come up with it, they just made it popular.

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FreshLight 63 points 2 years ago

What a sad sad outcome. Patenting game mechanics should not be legal.

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Yeller_king 12 points 2 years ago

It isn't in the US but is in Japan where the companies are based.

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ryathal 9 points 2 years ago

It's still somewhat protected in the US. The big one in table top gaming was tap mechanics from Magic. That expired in 2014 though. In video games the Nemesis system from Shadow of Mordor/war is also patented.

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PM_Your_Nudes_Please 6 points 2 years ago

Loading screen mini games are also patented. That’s why loading screens never have mini games. Less of an issue now that game devs have begun avoiding loading screens, but they were extremely common in older generations and they never had mini games to pass the time.

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alessandro 6 points 2 years ago path: 0 13928762 13936747 13942781 13946191 13947148, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
polle 1 point 2 years ago

I remember how impressive that was as a kid, when i played ridge racer on psx the first time.

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Focal 7 points 2 years ago

Erm, acktchually! I think Nintendo is pretty cringe here, not based!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

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Railcar8095 2 points 2 years ago

Take this vote and leave before I change my mind

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Focal 6 points 2 years ago

Ok, I'm outta here.

All jokes aside, I would like to weigh in and say that I find the whole patenting of game mechanics to be absolutely appalling. I genuinely don't get how this is legal, even in Japan. They filed this patent way too late for it to even make sense.

You could've made an argument if they patented it back in 1996, but even so... Fuck this. Imagine patenting a screen transition or something?

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uninvitedguest 11 points 2 years ago

*Patenting

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FreshLight 2 points 2 years ago

Oh, thanks. Corrected it

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dumbass 52 points 2 years ago

Make it so you launch the ball thing from a sling shot, that's not throwing the object and it fits the universe

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Zexks 20 points 2 years ago

This is the answer right here. There’s even a few late game items for this. The just need to readjust the costs for those launchers. Make them available early mid game.

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JackbyDev 10 points 2 years ago

Literally just change the throw animation to use a weaker looking slingshot than whatever the current weakest one is.

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pory 1 point 2 years ago

The current weakest one is a bazooka.

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JackbyDev 1 point 2 years ago

Awesome, should be easy enough to make a little hand sling shot your character pulls out of a pocket.

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Arbiter 51 points 2 years ago

It’s a shame the Wii U didn’t bankrupt Nintendo.

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Kecessa 18 points 2 years ago

Nintendo could afford to release 10 failed consoles in a row and still keep going, that was the case back when the Wii U released as well

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Arbiter 2 points 2 years ago

A shame they didn’t

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CaptPretentious 1 point 2 years ago

This constantly gets repeated, but I've yet to see proof of it.

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stevedice 4 points 2 years ago

Proof of what? Nintendo having a shit-ton of money? I don't understand why you would even need a source of that, but sure, here's one

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Num10ck 2 points 2 years ago

as of March 2024 Nintendo has $14.87 Billion in cash on hand.

in comparison in March of 2024 Apple had $162 Billion.

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Kecessa 1 point 2 years ago

They're publically traded, their finances are public, the Wii and Switch secured the company for decades

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NOT_RICK 8 points 2 years ago

I do wonder if the steam deck exists in this alternate timeline you propose

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parpol 9 points 2 years ago

It probably does with detachable controllers.

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Arbiter 5 points 2 years ago

No, but we do have a proper Nvidia Shield Portable 2.

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Strider 1 point 2 years ago

We got Tears of the Kingdom, but at what cost?

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JackbyDev 4 points 2 years ago

Poor frame rate

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Kolanaki 39 points 2 years ago

So fucking stupid. I remember a time when Nintendo was constantly losing legal battles like this one.

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SharkAttak 7 points 2 years ago

They probably just learned to pay judges, not lawyers.

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yuri 25 points 2 years ago

make it so you shoot them out with a gun

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ryathal 5 points 2 years ago

You already do that eventually anyway.

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DoucheBagMcSwag 9 points 2 years ago

This game is still in early access so I hope this is only temporary and they will retool this to not be similar to Pokemon. There's no way this will be final right...?? No summon animation at all??!

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lvxferre 9 points 2 years ago
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veniasilente 1 point 2 years ago

This sounds awesome; requesting permission to use it if Palworld doesn't? It's for a book.

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lvxferre 2 points 2 years ago
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veniasilente 2 points 2 years ago

Yay! Thanks.

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uninvitedguest 3 points 2 years ago

How do Japanese patents differ from USA/CAN? My general understanding of patents is that they expire after 20 years - Pokemon is older than that. Do Japanese patents have a longer duration? Did Nintendo patent a game later than the originals?

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Gaspar 6 points 2 years ago

These patents were granted to Nintendo this year.

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uninvitedguest 2 points 2 years ago

I'm not patent savvy - of they are only granted this year (as a point of origin for the patents' eventually expiry), wouldn't the years of previous Pokemon games invalidate these patents due to prior art?

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ryathal 1 point 2 years ago

If they were related to the original games, yes it would. The patents were about 3d worlds though. I believe the palworld beta was before these patents were filed, so there would be a strong case to invalidate them. It probably won't happen, because Nintendo's proposed damages was basically pocket change compared to a legal battle.

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Snapz 2 points 2 years ago

You wouldn't patent the "game" you'd patent the various forms of utility or designs within that game. So throwing a sphere at a life form to then capture it could be one patent, but maybe then you'd also file another patent to cover keeping it alive and caring for it inside the ball habitat. You might file the second off of what is called a continuation filling and in combination, as you need both actions to get the full effect, you might get a bit of extended coverage in practice.

But the bigger thing here would probably be trademark law, which is a whole different beast.

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uninvitedguest 1 point 2 years ago

Sure, I hadn't implied that the game was patented, but the mechanics were present in a game that is over 30 years old.

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ILikeBoobies 2 points 2 years ago

Worried what this means for Nexomon 3

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iAmTheTot -65 points 2 years ago

I am not usually in favour of big companies bullying smaller companies with the law, but it's pretty egregious how much they were ripping off Pokémon.

Edited to add, apparently this was a really hot take. I am not saying that the gameplay between the games was similar, but I saw a comparison of several of the designs of the creatures for the first time when this whole kinda started kicking off a bit ago and it was the first time I realized how blatant the designs were lifted right from popular Pokémon. Combined specifically with the pokeball-alikes and like... I don't know how people can defend it. There's homage and then there's IP theft.

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hex 37 points 2 years ago

The game itself isn't ripping off anything. Pokémon is such a direct "rip off" of digimon, too, then. Except it doesn't matter, cause that's what stuff is. Stuff is made up of other stuff and oftentimes there will be similarities!

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iAmTheTot 7 points 2 years ago

I mean, for one I was talking about the designs of the creatures and the specific ball mechanic/theme, but also Pokémon came out before Digimon anyway.

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Cypher 11 points 2 years ago
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iAmTheTot 1 point 2 years ago

How was Dragon Ball similar to pokeballs and their catching mechanics? I'm not seeing that similarity at all.

Never seen any comparisons between Dragon Quest and Pokémon. Do you have examples?

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ApollosArrow 1 point 2 years ago

Lemmy is the wrong place to mention Nintendo. You will get obliterated by people.

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iAmTheTot -6 points 2 years ago

I don't mind. It's no different than Reddit, people see downvotes and just pile on. No room for discussion, no thoughtful discourse, just hive mind.

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mnemonicmonkeys 20 points 2 years ago

Pokemon is a rip off of Dragon Quest and Shin Megami Tensei.

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KairuByte 16 points 2 years ago

You mean like Pokémon “ripping off” Dragon Quest?

You can’t patent an art style.

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iAmTheTot 1 point 2 years ago

For one, I didn't say you could patent an art style. But distinguishable character can be IP. You're like the fifth person to mention Dragon Quest and I've never heard of that comparison before, do you have any examples?

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KairuByte 4 points 2 years ago

There are a bunch of images out there making the comparison, but here’s a good video of just a direct side to side of each design. https://youtu.be/CZXKKbSCA34

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JackbyDev 12 points 2 years ago

I'd be more willing to agree if Nintendo was going after them for similar art styles. They went after them for fucking throwing balls of all things. This is going to set a horrible precedent for the game industry.

So either Nintendo didn't believe the monster designs were rip offs, or they didn't feel it was a proper violation because they've shown themselves as willing to litigate.

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noxy 5 points 2 years ago

I disagree with your premise but even if I agreed that any IP theft has occurred, why do you care? surely you're aware that nintendo aggressively invests in IP lawyers and lawsuits?

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iAmTheTot -4 points 2 years ago

Well, yes, that's why the lawsuit was happening. I'm not sure what your point was. I care because I think that IP theft is wrong.

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noxy 5 points 2 years ago

that's actually not why the lawsuit is happening though..

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Rbnsft 5 points 2 years ago

The lawsuite is Happening because of patent trolling..

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Leate_Wonceslace 4 points 2 years ago
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theneverfox 3 points 2 years ago

They're both based on the same source material - various mythological creatures and real animals with a twist

I used to think Pokemon was super original - but a lot of it just seems they way because we don't learn much about Japanese or asian folklore overseas.

Like take Magikarp. There's a Chinese proverb about a carp leaping through the dragons gate (an actual waterfall) turning into a dragon (meant to describe how with diligence a common person could become powerful through the civil official exams)... The weak magic carp, if diligently leveled, can become a Chinese dragon that looks exactly like the ones they use in parades.

Meouth - a wealth giving cat, many asian shops have a cat figure with a gold coin for luck. And Persian is just a lioness (a bigger cat) with the same design.

Vulpix/Ninetails - nine tailed fox

Ekans - snakE. Arbok - kobrA. Pidgey - pigeon. Pigiotto, pigeot? Reminds me of fire, fira, firaga, firaja naming scheme from final fantasy

Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan - Bruce Lee and Jackie Chan

Noticably, most of these puns and references to actual people are not copied, instead it is things like wolves and mythological creatures

If anything, it's the style of the art that makes them so similar - but copying aesthetics is how art grows and develops. It's not like they were the first or only ones to copy the style either

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