Yes it's vocal minority, but that local minority is the reason why silent majority have content that keeps them on reddit.
Yes it's vocal minority, but that local minority is the reason why silent majority have content that keeps them on reddit.
Yes, it's also important, but lack of high quality content will hit way earlier.
I don't think this is the death of Reddit, but I do think it's the dumbing down of Reddit. A lot of the power users that spend all day interacting and posting are going to be the ones leaving. Reddit will turn from a social community back into a simple link aggregator with people posting articles and having the same discussions over and over again in the comments.
That's basically what it is already on many of the largest subs. Hell they even recycle/repost the same content every 6 months or so
I swear askreddit's questions are automated at this point.
This. Everyone keeps shrieking about how "power users" are only 0.0001whatevs% of users, while ignoring that you're calling them "power users" for a reason - "power users" ARE your content.
Lurkers who don't even have accounts aren't going to suddenly create accounts and start providing content for Reddit to monetize, they're just going to stop opening Reddit.
Commenters who were never interested in posting aren't going to suddenly start posting links and photos and videos all over the place, they're just going to stop commenting.
People just scrolling after work aren't going to take up moderation duties once all the mods bail and none of the tools work anymore.
It may not "die" but that marginal percentage they're doubling down on "fuck em let em leave" about will take over half of their content away.
Yeah. Though the third party users are probably are the heaviest users so probably have an outsized impact on the content of various subreddits. So no, I don't think the lack of 3rd party clients and those users will kill Reddit, anymore than its killed twitter or Tumblr shennanigans has killed tumblr. That said I did just join today, and I do actually wonder given the death of 3rd party clients and the IPO when reddit will try to squash NSFW subreddits and posts. Thats the kind of thing I'd expect as they IPO and chase advertisers.
Average third party user creates more content than average redditor. Most mods use third party applications. That makes it different from Tumblr, where only nsfw communities were killed, so rare people that were there not for porn weren't affected. On Twitter, it's Twitters administration that moderates Twitter. On Reddit - it's users who does it. And as i've said, most of them use third party apps. That's how it's different.
You are not wrong, but Reddit will never be the same. This whole IPO business is effectively the death of Reddit as we know it, to be replaced with a mediocre TikTok clone. It takes strong leadership among execs and ownership for profit-driven corporation to stay the course and remain successful.
Reddit has neither. Just a legacy and incumbency.
I think the key thing that will screw them is violating the trust of the volunteer moderator force that basically makes reddit what it is. I don't think reddit appreciates how much of their business relies on a completely volunteer, unpaid workforce.
If the mods decide to quit en masse and and either stop moderating or turn subreddits private on their way out then reddit is done for.
I share this attitude. Been on reddit for 17 years but am super sad to see Apollo go. That said, I use reddit on desktop with Enhancement Suite and it's tolerable, after all the curation I have done on my subs. So it may be hard to leave, if I'm truly honest with myself. Dipping my toes in elsewhere to see what resonates, though. I'm super frustrated with the capitalist money grab and centralized social media problem reddit personifies. :(
old.reddit is definitely going soon too unfortunately. I thought I’d just use that, but reddit’s actions in the past few days have convinced me that after 10 years it’s time to go.
Ehh I doubt it'll crash. Most major subs are modded by their own people. Worst case scenario they'll overthrow the mods that blacked out, prop up some puppets and continue as if nothing had happened. Worst case scenario they lose 6% of their audience and recover it back in a few months of ads.
Honestly, even if it's not a huge crash, it's already shown a lot of people the better way of handling social media. Closer groups with access to a larger community. Seems far better than the monolith that is Reddit or Twitter.
The problem is default subreddits grow too big with no way to make it better once critical Mass is reached. I think federation solves Thar problem entirely, since it encourages interaction across more niche spaces.
Yeah, that's the thing... I think back to some of the communities I used to be a part of decades ago, and the size of them... I miss those communities. I'm ready to return to a smaller internet.
Same. I remember back when forums were more of a thing (they weren’t perfect) as were dedicated servers for multiplayer games; both which had their own smaller communities which actually worked well.
I had a realization last night.
Used to spend a lot of time on reddit on ttrpg subreddits reading about how other people were running their games instead of working on my own campaigns. Now, a lot of the time I would have spent reading about how someone else was doing the thing I wanted to, I'm just doing it. The dynamic is inverted.
This is what healing looks like.
I think I'm going to still use reddit to solve certain problems when googling. It's still a good resource for solving specific problems. Just won't spend any browsing time there. Just in an out.
It's way too hard to cut through the search engine optimized spam when googling something now. Especially for product recommendations all you get are random top X lists.
Yes! and when you actually click on them you realize the term you searched was only used by those pages as seo and aren't actually mentioned anywhere in there.
I started using DuckDuckGo actively in 2014. It has since been my primary search engine. It used to be very similar to google: minimalist, an ad placed as the first search result and that’s it. DDG has stayed pretty much the same. The few times I now wander on google to try to get different results, I just find it so unusable. Search results are swimming in an ocean of suggested content… I’m never going back.
I use brave on my phone. It autoblocks youtube ads, which is nice.
I've noticed I'll type in the exact name of the website but forget the .com to tell my browser to go directly there, so it will do a search. My results show the site I was looking for halfway down the page, with the first half being ads and even competitors of the site! I'm not searching for items from the site but the site itself yet Google is so useless it shows me a bunch of similar stuff even when I gave it a specific.
Definitely relate to this! If I google something and one of the top results is a Reddit post, I’m usually pretty excited because it means other people having similar issues will be able to offer advice on my particular use case. And there’s so much content already on Reddit that you’re very likely to find something helpful!
Yeah, it's so useful because you get suggestions from real users along with discussion and a voting system. You're not just relying on an algorithm to point to a poorly written list with the right keywords stuffed in. Oh, you're looking for the best xyz? Here's a list of Amazon affiliate links chosen by an "expert." No thanks.
Welcome! I just came over yesterday because I submitted a report, WHICH WAS ACCEPTED AND ACTIONED BY REDDIT, then got a week ban for abusing the report feature.
I guess they don't want us tying up resources as they work overtime to alienate the users that make Reddit worth a shit. 🤷
I just got banned from some of my subs for spamming their mod queue by accident... I edited all my visible comments to 4 archive.org links about the API changes. It triggered AutoModerator a zillion times.
I was going to let those comments sit for a bit before deleting my account.
That's not really related to what you're saying, but I guess I just wanted to share it with someone!
That sucks.
I had already nuked my 15 year heckload of karma "main" because I ran afoul of a super mod with some fairly innocuous opinion. Got banned from one sub, confused I modmail to ask what's wrong and how I can fix it, get muted and immediately banned from upwards of 10 other subs. 🤣
Gave em a piece of my mind and killed it, because I'll be damned if I let some butthurt waffle bully me like the internet is some sorta "real world."
I'd bet my left nut reddit will survive for quite a while yet, probably do even better over time
The kind of people who end up here just aren't the target demographic for them anymore
Maybe… but I’d guess in the same sense that Digg is still around. You’re right about the type of people migrating here, though - Reddit no longer cares about intelligent discussion, it’s all memes and snark and political outrage. They don’t want an informed populace, they want a populace that can be steered toward whatever they want.
This is not the first mass migration I’ve seen from Reddit, but this is the first one that feels like it might actually stick, for a couple of reasons: First, Lemmy finally feels like a viable alternative. Previous alternatives like Voat were quite abrasive - like I’m all about free speech, but I don’t want to see a bunch of hateful content just for the sake of being shocking. Second, this time they’re fucking with the mods. And while a lot can be said about the quality of the moderation over there, people abhorr being asked to do more with less, especially when they’re working for free. Lose the mods and the site is DONE. It will be overrun with spam so quick it’ll make your head spin, and then the last exodus will occur, quietly. And Reddit cannot afford to replace the unpaid mods with paid mods, they simply don’t have the resources.
It will be interesting to see how things go with Lemmy, but I have hopes - with it being decentralized, if a community becomes toxic or overly-censored it seems easy enough to spin up a rival on a different instance and filter the bad actor. At least that seems to be the pitch, let’s see how things shake out over the next year or two.
I’ve been on Reddit for nearly 15 years (since just prior to the digg migration), but it is nothing like what it used to be - it’s changed, man, and not at all for the better. Lemmy definitely feels more like Reddit of old, and I’m excited to be here - now I just need to find my hobby communities and I’ll have my new internet home. But the communities will come, the apps will come, and I have high hopes. Let’s go!
I'd add a third reason that killing the apps materially affects all the people who were die hard app users. Previous proposed reddit boycotts were over some issue like the site firing the woman who organized the AMAs or some other moderation issue that for the most part didn't impact the rest of the experience of browsing. It's easy to forget how one subreddit got ruined or some admin drama because it feels distant from day to day browsing. Taking away the apps is impossible to avoid. App users can't just shrug about all this drama and go back to browsing the way they are accustomed to. Opening that official app is going to be a constant reminder of how ugly all this was. It will make sticking to a boycott much easier I think.
I'm just hoping that most of my favorite niche subs move to something more decentralized; Reddit has a bunch of specialized communities that I'd hate to lose.
FB and twitter are losing users, but very slowly. Reddit will go out the same way... It'll be a whiny, decades-long, fading away into obscurity, while still retaining lots of assets.
Same here. I was going to stick around till the end of the month, but that AMA convinced to delete my account today and move on to better things. I made sure to leave a tip in the jar for Christian on my way out.
Hear hear! I've been on Reddit over 15 years but fuck it, it's not worth the neverending fountain of bullshit.
I'm currently feeling both lol. I'm sad Reddit is making the decisions it's making. Having communities that big help find niche info. However I'm glad everyone is giving them hell for how they're treating devs and users.
Its funny watching reddit and Twitter implode with mastodon and lemmy we have 2 replacements that are better at being Twitter and reddit than Twitter and reddit 🤣
It really seems like they are tying to tackle two issues at once here (LLM training on reddit data, revenue from 3rd party apps) and they aren't doing a great job at communicating why they are making the API changes. It doesn't help that the company has a history of making empty promises, so nobody trusts a word they say.
The Fappening friend
Haven't stopped using reddit, tbh. But my usage has noticeably dropped - haven't even commented on a single thing but one after installing Jerboa. Having an alternative really does help. I'm confident I can completely stop redditing on mobile by the end of the month as long as this community stays active.
Yeah, I'm unsure what to do. I'm lead mod for /r/SanAntonio a city I recently left, and I feel an urge to do something with it. Like use it to make a statement or something.
You guys with mod experience are really valuable, imo. Can't help with what you want to do with your reddit sub, but it would be great to see your subs here!
Honestly, the complexity of federated services isn't for mass adoption. And /r/SanAntonio users are some of the last I would expect to see adopt lemmy. And I feel I'd have to get comfortable with it myself before recommending others, as that comes with the obligation to help them out.
Like, why do thse two instances of this post have 1 common comment, and 1 missing? https://beehaw.org/post/473716 https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5781
Also, what's with this 'search !meta@lemmy.pineapplemachine.com on your instance to find this post and be able to comment on it' crap. I was linked to pineapplemachine from beehaw, maybe thats the other user's fault... idk. it's a real rough experience from the start.
Please give Lemmy some more time to develop. Until the Reddit API announcements this week, it only had 2 hobbyist developers contributing to it at a slow rate because of its small userbase.
Content can appear slightly different between instances because of how posts are retrieved with federation. In the threads you linked, it's likely that the older comment doesn't appear on beehaw.org because it was posted before beehaw.org federated with lemmy.pineapplemachine.com. Comments that were posted before two instances federate with each other are not synced between the instances. This prevents small instances federating with big ones like lemmy.ml from being bombarded by thousands of comment requests.
The problem with links to remote communities not converting to links on the home server and the confusing federation process are also being worked on, but again, Lemmy (and Kbin)'s contributors are a few unpaid developers. They can't be expected to push production-quality Reddit features instantly.
When I was feeling overwhelmed by all the cumbersome clicks that come with getting used to lemmy, I found kbin to be a better way to just explore what's across all instances.
It's a different project but can access and interact with everything on lemmy.
I'm a few miles up 35 and finding the only real utility Reddit provides other than killing time is /r/Austin, and even there ... well, I get NWS alerts on my phone, take transit and don't lose pets, so the level of usefulness may be more imagined than real.
At the same time, the initial reasons I joined Reddit other than link aggregation aren't what they once were. I've found that DIY projects I learn about on Reddit and then have questions about details on get zero responses, and the communities I joined years ago have been so overrun by people who want karma over discussion that there's not much value there, either.
Using Google to search Reddit can be useful, but then you get a great detailed post from four years ago and can't do anything with it if you have further questions. The thread is locked on account of age, and people get pissed if you post a new thread on the same topic that links to the original.
What this API fiasco has done is bring into specific relief where Reddit has already failed and turned all of those into a cohesive narrative that was lacking up to this point. I'd heard of Tildes but not Lemmy until this week, and already my work internet use has switched from RSS then Reddit to Beehaw then RSS.
I guess I needed to get hit over the head with just how bad things had gotten via external forces to overcome inertia. Interestingly, two months ago, I was running Windows on all my computers, and I finally snapped on how invasive notifications and forced-app shenangians had gotten.
The stages of grief may end with acceptance where people are involved, but they certainly don't need to with technologies and platforms. I'm starting to better understand the grousing I wrote off as narcissistic woe-the-hell-is-me was actually a congregation of coal-mine canaries.
That's my biggest concern as well. I mean, I have no loyalty to reddit as a platform, but it does have vibrant communities for the numerous (and often niche) things that I am interested in. So divorcing myself from reddit almost entirely will be... difficult, but frankly, the platform has been going to shit for a while now and a kick in the butt to leave was sorely needed.
I haven't been back to Reddit since I created an account on here a few days ago. I thought I would be going back there regularly to consult my more niche subreddits, but I haven't been back at all.
I'm happy with where Lemmy is right now. So for me it can only get better here. I think I'm 100% done with Reddit.
RIP Sync for Reddit, you were my go-to for the past decade.
I've been spending way less time on Reddit too since I joined Lemmy. I wanna help spread the word about Lemmy on Reddit, but I don't know how to do that without having it come across as an advertisement.
That is a challenge we have, but I think the answer is to just go for it. I'm doing the same here with kbin which is another option for viewing the same content (I'm responding to you from there) but with some extra features. I feel like an advertisement, but at the same time a lot of new people just don't know what else is out there in the fediverse, so I'm trying to encourage exploring and finding what's right for you.
go to the sub called /r/lemmy, people there are begging for tutorials about lemmy.
Figured out Lemmy in about a day... Trying to setup my own instance... 4 hours of failure so far. Lol
Yes, you need sudo.
I just deleted my account which was over 10 years old. I don't need that kind of negativity. Only positivity from here on out. Keep being awesome Lemmy.
11 year old account here, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger. So much time spent on niche subs that will be hard to replace, but I suppose that means I should be more active in any similar counterparts on Lemmy to help them grow and flourish.
Thats true, mean if somethings just constantly giving you grief rather than any enjoyment then how much good is it really to be using it? Lifes already enough of a pain lol
I don’t have that fortitude yet, haha. My account is from 2007. Have my little Colbert Rally badge on it from a goofier, tighter-knit time on Reddit. Feels more like a monument than a home now, though.
You can request all of your Reddit data somewhere in the settings if that would help``
I'm currently looking for this, and I don't think Reddit has a feature that's what this sounds like. On Facebook you can download all your data, photos, posts, comments, in one big pile. Closest thing I can find on Reddit (which only came up when I googled it externally) is a form you can submit to request what data Reddit has "about" your account. And they request 30 days processing time.
You can use the 3rd party scripts that are usually for mass editing/deleting to save all your comments/posts, I think, and without editing/deleting if you don't want to. Like Power Delete Suite and Redact. But that doesn't save other peoples' replies, or the post you made a comment on, so far as I know.
Just speed ran an account to 125k karma in 3 months because I like numbers, but the site is dross now, any individual thoughts are downvoted. It's just one big circlejerk
lol. You talk about how you game the system to speedrun big numbers for imaginery points. Then complain that reddit isn't what it was and theres no individual thoughts. ... Do you not see the irony of that comment?
Not only do I see it, I feel it.
I am happy to see reddit go. I came in to reddit on the Dogg exodus, tried to leave reddit on one exodus that turned out to be all racist and right wing (voat maybe?) So then went back. If Lemmy doesn't work I'm just going to have to go outside or something
The book "The Miracle Pill" is a good read on this topic if anyone's interested
Lemmy is great. It doesn't need to be the end all to be all, and it doesn't need to be a reddit killer. It just needs to be around for whoever wants to congregate and discuss.
If there's content on Reddit you absolutely must view, I definitely endorse RSS readers. No need for an account and you get rid of the infinite scrolling and data mining of the Front-page view
Wait, I didn't know that it's possible to use RSS readers to view Reddit. Just tried it out, and it's even better than using old Reddit (which I've been doing for ages).
Edit: Here's how to use RSS readers to view Reddit.
If there’s content on Reddit
And there are a lot of content there indeed. I find myself constantly appending reddit or site:reddit.com to my search engine terms in a desperate attempt to get information from real-ish people and not from SEO shit.
That's what I'm going to miss the most. It was so hard to find quality content outside of Reddit already, and with "AI" it's just going to get worse.
I just joined beehaw myself (was fumbling around on mastodon for a while but to me it feels too much like a twitter clone). So far I'm really enjoying the genuine interactions on here. Very much has an old reddit vibe that hopefully will survive even with the upcoming mass migration!
I personally started out by installing jeroba for android, no idea what you are on though. Tbh the best way to learn is to play around. I browse all so I can see what is out there, I registered on many instances but lemmy.world is one that seems to have access to everything so I browse on that one and if there's a community I like I subscribe. There are guides stickied in many instances so it's good to just browse around and read. Seriously I had no idea what I was doing yesterday morning and today I'm pretty much up to speed. Still learning the lingo.
I still don't understand how everything works here but I love the positivity I see !
Reddit gets maybe 15 minutes a day from me at this point. I'm not even sure I want a replacement for it. I'll be removing my reddit app from the phone on blackout day. Maybe I'll reinstall, maybe I won't.
This place seems nice, though.
This link posted there seems concerning. Any individual instance can issue a federal ban? https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5781
I believe it's ban logs that are federated, not the bans themselves, but I don't have any proof. Could someone running a personal instance test this by banning a remote user and see if they can still interact with other remote instances?
Note that if a user is banned by their home instance, it's expected that they can't interact with any remote instance either, as all of their posts will pass through their home instance first.
If Beehaw bans from the site someone that is on a remote instance, that account can no longer interact with any Beehaw communities. If Beehaw bans from the community someone that is on a remote instance, that account can no longer interact in that community.
That makes sense, but I think what Smoke assumes from the federated mod logs is that if Beehaw bans me (a remote user) from beehaw.org and the ban message federates over to my home instance feddit.dk and lemmy.ml, I will be banned from feddit.dk and lemmy.ml as well. While it's unlikely that bans can federate between instances, I don't have any proof of this.
Ban logs do federate but the effects aren't in the way you describe. Otherwise, someone could just ban everyone over night by making their own little server, that'd be uh, quite chaotic to say the least? Thankfully, this is not how bans work through federation.
It's probably up to the community admins to ignore or take external bans into consideration; like different countries and Interpol
If you have low resources you could copy ban lists to keep spam out (though that could be used to attack random users , though big communities' ban lists may have more reputation - like beehaw is a big established community ~ ?
I opened Apollo yesterday and got the notification it was going to be shutting down on the 30th. It was such a bummer—I really don’t plan on going back to Reddit now. Treat it like Quora, at best.
I went to Reddit today.... also, and deleted my account. :)
It's already what they are trying to do on mobile (first with NSFW content, but they blocked the old mobile interface...)
Yes, removing NSFW from API was part of the initial announcement.
Today during the AMA, somebody asked about it and the CEO's reply was that because NSFW carries potential legal risk it was pulled from the API but would still be on reddit itself. Which is an answer that makes absolutely no sense.
Pretty clear the real intention was to make sure any apps that didn't die from being priced out would be lacking the horny content that brings people to the site.
I tried looking at comments on a post about Apollo and it wouldn’t let me load more comments without logging in. Guess I just won’t see them since I no longer have an account.
Same - and that's why it sucks that they're going to ruin those communities. But hopefully we can build something better on here.
I deleted my last account a few days ago, and only go there whenever a relevant post is shared here, like the app devs' announcements.
Earlier today I clicked on r/all out of curiosity, and aside from the API and sub shutdown topic, everything was as I remembered: boring, regurgitated stuff that I can never tell if a bot / karma farmer reposted it, if the comments are genuine or more bots or trolls.
R/all and the default subs have been trash for years, but it was still possible to have a decent experience on Reddit after curating your subscriptions to your own interests, and using 3rd party apps. I'm slowly moving my browsing over to here especially given the recent news, but it is difficult to give up the niche subreddits I enjoy that don't yet have comparable communities here.
You just made me realize that I hadn't been following any niche subs by the end of it.
I think the only sub I will really, really miss is r/TipOfMyTongue. They were amazing. You could throw them a random memory of your childhood 30 years ago, and within minutes they tell you what it is, a link to the thing, and all that.
Most of the help subs were like that, too. The very essence of the internet, helping each other out, with no barriers.
3rd party filter options and Reddit enhancement is incredibly useful and what made it so preferable over all the social media options with the power it gave to curate instead of having to rely on an algorithm.
I hope lemmy gets those type of third party apps and tools to make it possible.
I won't miss the n^th^ screenshot of a tweet of a tiktok.
Oh my god, yes. And the fake convo screenshots.
I'm mostly participating here but I am quite enjoying the absolute train wreck that's unfolding today over there.
Spez decided he's doing an AMA tomorrow. Oh boy I don't know if I have enough popcorn... how did his PR team let him do this???
Because he has admin rights and can literally control the narrative?
Spez decided he’s doing an AMA tomorrow.
Tomorrow? Who wants to bet that the questions and the answers are already written as we speak?
His PR team will be right there with him. Their inflated egos think that all that capital can buy some really good spin. Maybe it'll work for some, but I'm gone.
I'm pretty new here myself. I've already started to migrate myself off of Reddit completely and start engaging here more. So far I have to say that I'm loving this community as well. Definitely seems to be more inviting here. At least I can post right away without having to have a certain amount of karma or whatever. This is kinda refreshing!
Is Jerboa the app for this platform? (I'm new here and still figuring everything out).
Yeah, Jerboa is an android app for Lemmy instances.
Since you're new, also check out kbin which is similar to Lemmy but with some other features. You can still access the same content (I'm responding to you from kbin), and has some access to the microblogging sites as well. You might like it, you might not. But there are so many options in the fediverse you may as well explore for a while.
I believe Jerboa is only for Lemmy. There is an official app in the works, but I'm not familiar with an alternative app yet at the moment. That said, you can use it on mobile as a PWA and it works pretty well.
I definitely haven't been as interested in reading comments on Reddit - I still go for the pet pictures and the funny gifs while I can, but between all the drama and bots, I agree that it's nice to have another platform I'm more interested in.
Reddit was the last corporate social media site I was active on. I'm not going to delete my account right away, but now that there are actually people here, I don't really need it anymore.
Now to figure out how to successfully host people here.
Only problem with these alternatives
Reddit had actual knowlege like r/askhistorians and niche communities on every topic imaginable who's going to participate in a server for the Movie Threads and how much of these servers are going to have discord servers?(new to Kbin)
There was a news story that just broke, and I'll admit I briefly hopped over to an r/ sub to eat popcorn and watch the reactions unfold. Guilty pleasures are hard to break sometimes. Lol.
That aside, yeah, I agree. Have been spending way less time over there where it's like trying to have a discussion in a crowded cafeteria / auction house. Everything here is just more chill.
Sync for me. I still browse on my desktop, so once they get rid of old.reddit, that's the end of the line for me. Niche/local subs are going to be going to be hard to do until a critical mass shows up here.
Made an account on here years ago when I first heard of lemmy, finally started using it after I heard they were killing API access. Haven’t been on Reddit since. :)
For a week? I have a reddit account for I don't know how many years. And I visit reddit only if a search engine points me to it, to answer a question.
thanks for using Leebra!
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I'm gonna stay on my 3rd party app until the June 30 midnight close.. I want to try and witness one of the biggest tech crashes in modern history.
I really think reddit hubris has massively underestimated the user loss they're about to feel.
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