agreed, I have found that interacting with content here has been more meaningful and the interactions to be more welcoming. Happy weekend to you!

I completely agree! And I don't think we've really started to see people leave reddit yet, that'll happen when the 3PAs stop working

Agreed. So much less noise.

I do expect that it will taper off eventually and then drop for a bit before leveling out (not being pessimistic, it's just a simple fact that much of the current growth of Lemmy, or for that matter kbin or other reddit alternatives, is due to people leaving reddit, and eventually everyone that wants to leave who is willing to consider this place will have come over, so the growth will stop or at least revert to a more "normal" pace, and not everyone will end up liking Lemmy, and so there will be some fraction of people that don't stay long once the hype over people moving from reddit has died down). However, it should still stabilize somewhere much higher than things were before the migration, so my hope is that it gets enough momentum that the number of people that remain when this incident is over is enough to sustain a functional community.

Man I came here to post this LOL

The new game has brought back so many starship troopers memes and phrases.

I'm getting that feeling too.

From my experience it's just not showing on your end but after a while it updates the votes

Sometimes the site goes a little buggy. Sometimes i get 503 but i just wait, refresh, or i heard someone say too they have lemmy and kbin account and use the other when one is down xD I think it’s still adjusting to having so many users

Same

Haven't experienced any real bugs yet on here, but 90% of the time when a website is not working as expected for me, switching to firefox fixes it.

The most important is to keep up the momentum. Users don't mean anything if there's no content. We all need to keep posting stuff and keep actively disucsing stuff!

To be honest, the fact that such immature software is capable of being a viable alternative to one of the biggest websites on the internet is already super impressive.

Let's see where we will head in a couple of years.

I would argue that depends entirely in which context you use the word "mature" haha.

That's what I love about it, though. The fact that it is still maturing means that we as a community have a say on how Lemmy will evolve.

I'm commenting to boost engagement!

These are all valid complaints, but I feel like you need to put this into perspective. This platform has blown up in the last week, change is going to come but it’s going to take some time. I’m sure it will go faster now that it is really taking off though.

I am quite confident that the platform will go up in quality quick. Here is why I am confident:

GitHub Lemmy Activity Pulse (LemmyNet / lemmy)

These concerns are valid.

Some are transitory however - 1, 3 and 4 all reflect the current state of Lemmy and the similar Kbin are in currently. The Reddit issues were unexpected and people have migrated en masse to Lemmy/Kbin and have found was is in many ways Alpha software. This issues will mostly be resolved with time, and that is probably accelerated now as more people means more people interested in development, and motivated by anger at Reddit. I don't think Lemmy/Kbin will replace Reddit right now, but I think a new trajectory has been set. Communities are hitting critical mass to keep growing.

Look at Mastodon, it's at 1.2m-2m active users each month; it is still small fry and niche compared to Twitter but it exploded thanks to Twitter's mess, and is growing. I think we're seeing something similar with Lemmy and Kbin, but this is just the start of a long road and an expanded community will accelerate improvement and growth.

But point 2 is fundamental to the fediverse - fragmentation due to defederating could be a concern. I get Beehaw's motivation but I think their actions will consign them to a niche part of the Fediverse, but that may be what they want. Ultimately I suspect the biggest servers will dominate a main interconnected fediverse through sheer size and notoriety - new servers will need to federate to the big players to grow. It's not necessairly a bad thing - but people may end up signed up to a "main" large interconnected "fediverse" and separately to smaller niche communities they're interested in but sitting in their own walled gardens/bubbles. It's not necessairly a bad thing though - it is just different to what people are used to with social media like Reddit. It'll be a trade off - servers and communities have complete independence and some will go for what suits them - part of a big fediverse or only federating to smaller aligned communities.

A lot of these issues are temporary. Also, this is all happening very fast, it's entirely possible that some other website/service will pop up that'll be a lot better thought out.

Reddit was already well established and functional during the Exodus of Digg, so there wasn't much discussion about where to go. Today we have no solid alternative, so people are trying Lemmy, Kbin, Mastodon, Squabbles and other websites.

you can't even tap on a post/comment reply in your inbox to go to that comment's permalink and view the context.

You can, but only in the latest version. It takes multiple taps, though.

undefined> what happens when instances start shutting down due to being unable to keep up with server hosting costs?

Well idk about you guys but self hosting is always an option. Not easy, but an option

Server costs are not as high as Reddit made us believe. You can probably run a 10 user instance for less than 10€/month.

If the instance is good donations could keep it up forever, not even expensive donations. Certainly a fraction of what reddit is asking for reddit premium.

Mlem for iOS is in an open beta right now and it's pretty good. Not as good as Apollo yet, of course

On 4, what's up with this? Being fixed?

Are we allowing emojis here? If so just another reason for people to flee Reddit

No kidding, I definitely prefer the lemmy experience. Obviously needs some polish, it'll come. (once again guilting myself into digging into the code)

When one door closes another Opens lol

If it makes open source social media to take off I would send a thanks card to Spez myself.

I think the best way to judge success is to look at the overall engagement and that one is very high.

You could probably find some ways to get a few of em but i don't know.
You shouldn't really need more than one or two accounts tho. Talking from kbin :)

Yeah, if I’m anything to go by, you’d need to divide these figures by at least three to get to the number of new people. Still, it’s not a bad start.

Right

Thanks Obama

This, methinks we have a wondrous opportunity to develop something just better.

I noticed a trend the last couple years on Reddit, where I swear half the posts on All were just people making posts just so they could make a top comment. Like, "What doesn't age well?" "Leonardo DiCaprio's girlfriends" garbage.

Same. Lemmy can only get better. Reddit, I'm not sure.

I would like it if lemmy had near the numbers of reddit

I wouldn't. People need to get away from the notion that more users = better. With more users comes trolls, bad faith actors, etc. Quality over quantity.

Which is a good point to remember I think. Having the community grow is good for people using lemmy as it allows smaller, more niche communities to have enough people interested in that thing to actually functionally exist, but at the end of the day it doesn't have to have the same number of users as reddit to be usable for you. Once enough people are here to be usable (which depending on what kind of communities you use, it may already be), it doesn't really much matter how much bigger lemmy gets. After all, it isn't some company where the point is growth at all costs.

I'm definitely sticking around. I agree.

I have sync on my phone for now, going to be hard to delete. But, Jerboa has been great and the community here is nice. I definitely plan on staying for a long time after 13 years on reddit.

Now the number is over 1 million.

Currently on the $1/month patron tier for lemmy. Hope it helps the devs!

This is the way

This is my hope for Mastadon, and other instances as there is a need for information to continue to flow from areas of conflict/dictatorship regimes and democracies (actual information, not corporate or national propaganda).

Why the fuck is reddit blocked in your country? Where do you live if I may ask?

Because there's no preselected default subscriptions like with Reddit. If it defaulted to subscribed when you make an account, then the first thing you would see is nothing. By defaulting to all, it allows you new users to see all that's available, and once you find a decent amount of interesting communities and subscribe to them, then it makes sense for you to manually change your default to subscribed at your discretion.

I think the main reason for that design decision was due to the small user base in the past.

You can do this in Lemmy, default the Home Screen to Subscribed. It’s an option for each user, but the instance admin can choose a default. I’m not sure about Kbin.

So you’re angry that you have to click your screen 2x and waste 9 seconds…. Instead you’d prefer every single new user to see no content at all?

Seems like an odd take.

How long has Lemmy been around for? The oldest thing I've seen so far is about two weeks old.

Just joined. Wish I had done it sooner!

Stonks

In my opinion we're already more or less at the "functional" stage. I can browse the place and shitpost and stay entertained for quite a while, with new content coming in while I do it, so that if I'm so inclined I can spend a full day pissing away my time on lemmy. It's nowhere near Reddit yet, where I could pick any given topic and read almost infinitely on it, but that's a function both of time and size, and not a reasonable expectation for a brand new platform. As long as the numbers we have now are sustainable they'll become self-improving in that direction.

What's the point of making multiple user accounts? Genuine question

You're a big guy.

Lemurs.

Lemmenonites?

What happened to voat?

It's a lot more challenging to have that happen with federation, I think. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be actively vigilant of course, but there are a lot more centers they'd have to seize control of individually.

Massive numbers of users is great for a business, but not necessarily great for discussion.

Lemmy doesn't feel like Reddit, but in a good way. Individual comments actually stand out, and it's not a sea of lowest common denominator trash and reposts.

I think people should stop conflating big numbers with success. If anything, we've seen the kind of nonsense big numbers lead to, with an IPO on the horizon and all that comes with that.

It's much more difficult to sign up for a completely new website than it is to subscribe to subreddits on the site you already have an account for.

The difference is in the active number of content creators and participants. It’s nice to have a sub with ten million followers but if Gallowboob is the only one posting and his 250 bots are the only ones voting it’s just a popular Twitter account. That is good for ad revenue but shit for interaction.

Give me a vibrant, intelligent, argumentative (in a good way) 100,000 over a passive ten million any day.

This is interesting.

Obviously, I don't have stats on things like the % active accounts vs inactive and such, so this is pure speculation.

If you look at the hot sorted posts on r/GothStyle they seem to get around 100 or so points per post. Note, this isn't a direct translation into upvotes. It also says there is 145 people online - Does that mean roughly 2/3 of active users vote stuff to hot? ~100 people holding up a niche community with a fraction of those the posters themselves.

So in effect ~0.1% of a subreddit's subscribers makes things happen. I always baselessly suspected that Reddit fluffs up the numbers to make engagement seem like it is much greater than it is, but this is 1000x smaller than the sub count suggests.

I'm sceptical of my maths here but r/PCMasterRace is similar. Out of nearly 8mil subscribers, roughly 8000 online.

Doesn't really mean anything. Facebook has around 3.4 billion active monthly users. Reddit has around 400 million. I'd still take the latter than the former. Lemmy will keep growing. Probably will never have 100s of millions of users and that's fine. More users can be a good thing but by itself the numbers mean nothing.

@RissaCrochets @ottk3

As someone who just deleted Apollo and tried to use the Reddit iOS app - this is exactly correct - site is unusable on the official app. People will flee.

It doesn't, https://the-federation.info/platform/184
There are ~37k kbin users, so a total of about 187k!!

probably not, since kbin isn't Lemmy.

Considering that it wouldn't be Lemmy, I don't imagine so... but I'm wondering how/whether they count federated users

What do you mean? They can access the contents of each other

Is there any benefit to merging if it's all just federated between them?

Yes I can only imagine that some of these servers have definitely been getting the hug of death. Though that the good thing with them not all being monolithic. I remember seeing the astonished posts earlier this week when Lemmy.world had grown 10 times its previous size in just a few days and was near around 20,000 users. We're now five times beyond that. And not stopping yet. That sort of growth isn't sustainable but damn well fun to see.

instances might've shut down.

Do you know where the chart comes from? I want to follow it.

Same - dot One to dot World for similar reasons.

@danieljackson @ottk3 I'm checking out https://lemmy.world/post/272282 , I'm in the market for a good #RedditReplacement

It hit a million in late June; it's over 2 million now!