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neidu3 70 points 2 years ago

Never would I have thought Lemmy would advocate installing Linux.

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AnUnusualRelic 5 points 2 years ago

They're so entrenched in OS/2, it came as a complete surprise to me as well.

What happened to all the "Your games will run fine in OS/2", "it feels just like windows"?

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neidu3 1 point 2 years ago

I actually saw a pretty good YouTube recently about what happened to OS/2. In short IBM treated the OS as an afterthought, and didn't really invest in marketing. The OS/2 team did a spectacular job with what they were given, but the corporate umbrella didn't really care, so the market all went the win95 route instead.

I tried OS/2 v3 in the 90's and it was actually pretty decent.

EDIT: I think this was the one.

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AnUnusualRelic 2 points 2 years ago

I had it as a secondary system and it certainly was quite good.

Its compatibility with dos and windows was also quite good. And technically, it was way beyond what Microsoft had. It should have dominated the market.

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NewDay 1 point 2 years ago

Why?

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idunnololz 9 points 2 years ago

It meme

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lord_ryvan 45 points 2 years ago

Signal is American

Opt for a Matrix or XMPP provider in Europe (magicbroccoli.de is a genuinely great XMPP provider)

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Supernova1051 40 points 2 years ago

While Signal's home base is the US, they are a non profit org that doesn't operate in the same way as for-profit corporations. Also, Signal collects basically zero data so there's no incentive to sell out, and who would want to buy them anyway when they have no data and the server and client are open source.

Matrix is great, but I wouldn't compare it to Signal. I use both for very different purposes.

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XM34 5 points 2 years ago

Agree with the sentiment against signal. However, Matrix is terrible for anyone who doesn't want to bother with reading up on several hours of information just to use a text messenger. I will start reccomanding Matrix the moment someone actually manages to produce a feature complete client with usable UI/UX.

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Lasagna 2 points 2 years ago

+1 This is why I moved my family over to Signal, despite it being an American company.

Another benefit is that it’s gaining some serious traction with a lot of people now moving to Signal. Makes it easier for family members to move as well.

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lostbit 1 point 2 years ago

yeah been trying out matrix. Setup a server and tried various clients. They are all shit.

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papayas 1 point 2 years ago
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lord_ryvan 1 point 2 years ago

XMPP is more comparable to Signal, yes.

Signal does need (yes, need) a phone number, and most people only have one so that is identifiable info.

This puts it at mostly the same level as some competitors, including WhatsApp which is often advised against.

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Supernova1051 1 point 2 years ago

XMPP is more comparable to Signal, yes.

XMPP allows unencrypted messages and leaks metadata - Signal does neither.

Signal does need (yes, need) a phone number, and most people only have one so that is identifiable info.

Signal is basically a privacy enhanced text/SMS/phone replacement. I can give my phone to someone in person and they can immediately start "texting" me on Signal - this is a feature (as well as a con to some people).

This puts it at mostly the same level as some competitors, including WhatsApp which is often advised against.

People advise against Whatsapp because while it uses Signal to encrypt message contents, they take no effort to minimize the collection of metadata - Signal's been compelled by court to present all data it has on its users various times and the only info they have is the day/time you signed up for their services and the last day (not time) one of your clients pinged their servers - Source: https://signal.org/bigbrother/

I have yet to find any other free service that collects this little information and works just as well as a normal non-encrypted messenger. Even Signals sticker packs are end-to-end encrypted - Source: https://signal.org/blog/make-privacy-stick/

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lord_ryvan 1 point 2 years ago

What metadata does XMPP leak? AFAIK only when a message was sent, roughly (in large increments) how large the message was, the server of the sender knows from who to which server, the server of the recipient knows from which server to who.
I find it strange that Signal somehow doesn't know when a message was sent, and from who to who; how would they ever make this possible?

Also, you say you have yet to find any other free service that collects as little data... How about most e-mail providers? Not Google and Microsoft of course, but most e-mail providers only need a name which can be made up as well. You hm also host your own email server, then you are in control. All of this is true for XMPP and Matrix, as well.

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thyristor -1 points 2 years ago
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BlastboomStrice 12 points 2 years ago

Also simplex is a good alternative, it's decentralized:)

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lord_ryvan 1 point 2 years ago

This? https://https/://simplex.chat/

FWIW Matrix and XMPP are also decentralised, much like e-mail is, which is why I recommended it. I'm immediately skeptic about SimpleX's premise of having no user IDs; they'll likely need some unique field for each user, this might as well be a UUID or something like that... So what's the benefit?

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BlastboomStrice 9 points 2 years ago

Since it's related, here's a good comparison:

https://eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm

I think the other person here explained the thing about user ids. Matrix and xmpp are good too, they're just different.

Simplex is more of a messenger, while xmpp/matrix are more of discord alternatives.

Also simplex works with nodes. I can host a simplex server and it will be added to the network. In matrix/xmpp if I host a server it will be a new instance, like in lemmy (if I get it right). Simplex's approach is like tor's approach, each server added contributes to the whole network (they arent a separate instance).

If you check their page they have some bery good features, to me it seems like its signal, done (somewhat) right. Signal doesnt even have a proper way to migrate accounts across devices.. not to mention the phone number requirement which might scare people who aren't gonna waste time hearing my explanation as to why it's not an issue or the fact that until recently signal would notify everyone in your contacts who had a signal account that you made an account, bruh

There's also this comment here that throws some shade to matrix, havent looked much into that tho.

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lord_ryvan 3 points 2 years ago

Oh that is a great explanation, thanks a bunch!

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something_random_tho 5 points 2 years ago

Each convo gets its own UUID, and the convos can be spread across different servers/companies too.

That said the notifications don’t work consistently for me on iOS, so that’s a dealbreaker. Hopefully they fix that soon.

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lime 27 points 2 years ago

librewolf is still dependent on firefox for development, just like vivaldi is on chrome. there is no european web browser.

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Libb 12 points 2 years ago

For FF and Chromium to, their source is open so if there ever was a need to make it fully European, it would be doable. Or did I miss something? (novice question, here)

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lime 7 points 2 years ago

in addition to the other reply, the teams working on browsers are massive. over 500 developers for each, and that's only the core teams without external contributors. you don't just put together a team like that in an afternoon.

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Libb 1 point 2 years ago

Yes, I can imagine that. Thx (too ;))

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RmDebArc_5 4 points 2 years ago

The problem is that Librewolf, ungoogled chromium etc are soft forks, meaning they are completely dependent on the original projects. If for example Trump made a law banning releasing software as open source because that’s communism, Librewolf would likely cease to exist

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Libb 1 point 2 years ago

Oh, it makes sense. Thx a lot for the clarification.

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Libb 1 point 2 years ago

I got a security alert when clicking the link, I did not push further sorry ;)

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VeganCheesecake 3 points 2 years ago

Because it's not using https. While https is certainly preferable, as long as you're just reading info of a website (not making an account, entering data) http is pretty much fine.

Modern Browsers just don't like it (which is also understandable, because most users probably don't care about the nuances of when it is or isn't a problem).

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papayas 1 point 2 years ago
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lime 2 points 2 years ago

yeah, webkit (as in, the engine for safari, and the base of blink which powers chromium) is based on khtml. khtml is oooooooold.

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papayas 0 points 2 years ago
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lime 1 point 2 years ago

mojeek is a search engine.

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Zachariah 20 points 2 years ago

Threema is a European secure messenger.

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scoobford 11 points 2 years ago path: 0 15428807 15430910, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 3
Zachariah 6 points 2 years ago

Paid means you’re more likely a customer than the product.

I can’t verify the security claims either way, but this article is a counter point to the one one linked: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/...

"While some of the findings presented in the paper may be interesting from a theoretical standpoint, none of them ever had any considerable real-world impact. Most assume extensive and unrealistic prerequisites that would have far greater consequences than the respective finding itself." - Threema.

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Snoezelpoes 1 point 2 years ago

Paid unfortunately also means that it's way harder to convince anyone to use it, even though the price seems very low for what you get. The other problem that brings is that I don't know what I'm buying exactly until I bought it.

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Zachariah 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that’s a fair point. I’ve bought it for three people I know, and I’ve had three people buy it themselves.

I’ve only suggested it to people close to me who use Android because my main phone is iOS and texting between the two is a way worse experience than Threema. I also have Signal, but no one has asked me to use that. I also find it annoying that Signal needs my phone number. I hear they’re working on changing that.

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jpaulostrindade 0 points 2 years ago path: 0 15428807 15428997, hotness: undefined, score: 0, children: 0
x_pikl_x 10 points 2 years ago

So your suggestion to "buy European" is to download a bunch of free shit...

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chmod755 8 points 2 years ago

I tried Mistral and it's awesome, I am upgrading to the paid version

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pumpkinseedoil 5 points 2 years ago

Last spring Mistral (free tier) was better for my usage (mainly JS programming) than ChatGPT (free tier). No idea which is better now (esp. after openai launched chatgpt 4, but Mistral improved too) but at least Mistral isn't bad at all.

I don't think I have to elaborate on Linux > Windows. If that's really needed ask for it please. Summary: It's simply better, the times where it was only for nerds are long gone.

Search engine doesn't matter too much. I usually use DuckDuckGo and it works fine (does what a search engine should do without displaying ads, unlike Google).

Signal over WhatsApp also is pretty obvious, but it's the hardest one to change because so many people simply don't want to switch once one thing is running and you want to communicate with those people.

LibreWolf basically is Firefox (which is far better than Chrome in terms of privacy, ad blocking, customisability, ...)

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VerPoilu 9 points 2 years ago

Isn't ecosia paying Google Bing for its results?

Edit: changed Google to Bing.

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Klogge 7 points 2 years ago

Yes, but ecosia is currently building a European search index together with qwant. In my view, the two are therefore worth supporting

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Sunshine 5 points 2 years ago

They're planning to eventually switch to a european index alongside Qwant.

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Libb 3 points 2 years ago

So is Startpage, if I recall correctly.

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FundMECFSResearch 2 points 2 years ago

Startpage is based on Google.

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TheTechnician27 2 points 2 years ago

So is Qwant, yes.

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FundMECFSResearch 9 points 2 years ago

Startpage? (based in Netherlands). I mean it’s a frontend for google, but ecosia is a frontend for bing. And startpage has a no log policy which beats ecosia.

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NewDay 4 points 2 years ago

System1 acquired Startpage and they are based in the US.

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Snoezelpoes 2 points 2 years ago

Startpage gives very good results, I recall reading somewhere that they use search results from Google, but I honestly don't know. I use it over Ecosia because it has slightly better results and is more privacy focused. Plus I never click any adverts, so Ecosia wouldn't generate an awful lot of trees from my usage haha.

I also used Qwant, but the search results weren't great for more complex search queries.

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phoenixz 8 points 2 years ago

Isn't signal owned by a single company with backend infrastructure all Managed by them and only them?

The current CEO is nice, for sure, but she won't be there forever. Look at what Mozilla just did, this eventually WILL happen to signal too

What alternatives are there form something like signal?

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WolfLink 5 points 2 years ago

You can self-host Signal, although you’d need your friends to sign up with your server.

What we really need is a federated messaging platform. I don’t think it’s been done yet, but encrypted email efforts are kinda in that direction.

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loics2 3 points 2 years ago

Matrix is trying to fill that gap

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syfrix 3 points 2 years ago

Federated messaging we've had for ages: XMPP
A modern messenger based on existing technologies, including encrypted email which you happen mention: Delta Chat

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ILikeBoobies 1 point 2 years ago

We have email as an example of federated messaging

Where it’s mainly owned by Google and Microsoft

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Korne127 8 points 2 years ago

Ew, Chromium

And why not DuckDuckGo?

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outbakes9510 8 points 2 years ago path: 0 15441946, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
aldfin 7 points 2 years ago

Already done most of those, whatsapp is the hardest to replace for me from this category.

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Wahots 1 point 2 years ago

Whatsapp/Facebook is probably one of the biggest offenders. They're one of the ones that got us into this mess.

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Realitaetsverlust 6 points 2 years ago

Wait, wasn't Vivaldi bought by a Chinese conglomerate?

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yumyumsmuncher 5 points 2 years ago

I need an european search engine that supports bangs

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flamingos 5 points 2 years ago path: 0 15429927 15430209, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 3
yumyumsmuncher 3 points 2 years ago

No, it doesn't take you to the website you used the bang for. Doesn't behave like duckduckgo or brave search

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flamingos 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, they're not working for me either.

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Redex68 2 points 2 years ago

Not sure if how they work in DuckDuckGo or Brave, but in Ecosia they have predefined bangs for some sites that open that site's search when you write them. E.g. “#g woodpecker" would open a google search page for the result woodpecker, same for #yt for YouTube.

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Sunshine 4 points 2 years ago

It would've been perfect if it recommended matrix instead of american-owned signal.

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Thunderrunner03 3 points 2 years ago

As an american I am switching to European apps I am disgusted with being an american citizen and if I could I would move.

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CubitOom 2 points 2 years ago

If you want to use large language models or other generative predictive models (I refuse to call it AI) then I suggest considering self hosting those models for ultimate control of the information you provide.

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FundMECFSResearch 0 points 2 years ago

If that’s not possible, https://duck.ai/ is pretty damn good privacy wise. (Not Based in EU)

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papayas 1 point 2 years ago
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pigup 1 point 2 years ago

You can run very powerful llm locally, albeit slowly if you lack GPU power.

Check out Dolphin models you can run on LM Studio

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Spaniard 1 point 2 years ago

Communications: Wire (what's everyone's opinion on that?)

Search engine: selfhosted searxng if possible.

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BroBot9000 -1 points 2 years ago

Fuck the Ai slop.

It’s a technology being used by capitalist around the world to take jobs away from people and to push fascist agendas!

https://newsocialist.org.uk/...

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ZILtoid1991 -6 points 2 years ago

Linux

Okay, is there any debugger with a GUI, that isn't just the command line interface in either a separate window or just a tab in VSCode?

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XM34 3 points 2 years ago

You mean like a code debugger not in VS Code? I mean... IntelliJ offers pretty amazing built-in debugging functionality. And as a bonus, they're located in Prague, so you're supporting a EU company by using IntelliJ.

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ZILtoid1991 -2 points 2 years ago

No, I meant something like this, but for Linux. Not a command line tool, not some janky wrapper around the command line tool, not another IDE that would force me to abandon my current setup (Kate + Language Servers).

And no, I don't care about "scripts", my usecase (game development) isn't about creating software with minimal interaction. I also don't care about Mortal Kombat Fatality-tier key combinations a la Vim.

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XM34 4 points 2 years ago

I don't know what to tell you, but a debugger is usually shipped with an IDE. If your IDE doesn't ship with a debugger then that's an issue completely independent from any OS that you're using. When I write C# programs in Visual Studio, I use the Visual Studio debugger. When I write games in Godot, I use the Godot debugger. When I write games in Unreal, I use the Unreal debugger. When I write Web Applications in IntelliJ, I use the IntelliJ Debugger. Your use case just seems extremely strange.

That being said, I'm sure there is a tool out there that does what you're looking for. I'm just not sure you should be looking for it.

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phoenixz 2 points 2 years ago

What's wrong with command line?

I divide my work between 3 things: code IDE, browser, and command line. I have a pop down console that has some 20-30 tabs, each with some 2-4 command line consoles each. It's awesome, fasr, and efficient. I pretty much never use GUI tools for anything at all.

I'll do almost any task you do in 30 minutes on GUI in at most half that time on the command line.

I know that the command line isn't for everyone, but if you're a developer, or DevOps or anything alike, get the command like and get twice the work done

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