Or just don't look at people's post history you creep?
lolrightythen 58 points 3 years ago
I don't find it creepy to read a person's posts that were willingly submitted to a public forum.
Icedrous -65 points 3 years ago
If you just browse through your home feed, sure. But actively going out of your way to see someone's comment or post history because you don't agree with what they said is childish and frankly a bit concerning. It really shows your character.
M1ster2 39 points 3 years ago
Wow, hmm... This is such a good comment to shitpost under but I'm not sure what angle to take. The fact you seem to be upset people publicly can get on a public website in public and look at the public posts the user posted in a public forum in public is a good one. But also the whole "just because they said a bunch of shit about hating the Jews doesn't mean you should look at their post history you creep!" is a good one too. Now though, Im just wondering what you have to hide? So... I guess let's take a look at your post history 🤷
Edit: Ohhhh... I found it everyone. He/she/they/zem doesn't want people to know they don't like LGBT people that much.
Twelve20two 19 points 3 years ago
In the context of the meme shared by OP, we're talking about things that go a bit beyond the scope of stuff we don't disagree with. Like things that right wing extremists would say
isVeryLoud 32 points 3 years ago
Most of your comments have negative points. I wouldn't value anything you have to say.
starman2112 12 points 3 years ago
Definitely do. Sometimes it's the only way to know whether someone just had one bad take, or if they're genuinely awful and not worth your time to reply to
gizmonicus 5 points 3 years ago
This is an excellent way to get everyone looking at your comment/post history. You played yourself.
CertifiedBlackGuy 27 points 3 years ago
What the fuck did you just say about me?
Pommel_Knight -10 points 3 years ago
Define punching down.
Is it economic power? 400e minimum wage here
Is it history? 400 years of Asian/African colonialism
Privilege? Amazon, any official manufacturer site and PayPal don't work here. We just got Google Pay and Apple Pay.
Slavery? The word slave originates from the word Slav and we had nothing to do with colonialism.
I'm a white European and I am way less privileged than any US minority, technically we Slavs are also POC in the US.
So I technically can't punch down on Americans. These kinds of things are dumb since you can't know someone's ethnicity, race, sex, country, etc. online.
girltwink 12 points 3 years ago
So I technically can’t punch down on Americans
Black trans women in the United States are routinely assaulted and raped and have an HIV+ rate of 60%. You sure about that?
My point is that targeting vulnerable groups for humor isn't funny, it's just bullying and it's sad. It shouldn't be a controversial point.
isVeryLoud 8 points 3 years ago
SocialMediaRefugee 28 points 3 years ago
You can always find someone on a social media site who actually holds that belief
Sotuanduso -1 points 3 years ago
Therefore it's okay to argue against strawmen.
MossyFeathers 52 points 3 years ago
Respectfully mention that it's kinda insensitive, kinda like, "hey man, don't you think that's kinda insensitive?" and you'll probably figure out fairly quickly which one is the answer. Additionally, if they legit don't know why it's insensitive, then you can educate them!
Just remember that tone can be difficult to convey on the internet, and sometimes you have to exaggerate the intended tone for it to be understood. Additionally, in my experience, asking the question from the other person's perspective ("don't you think that's kinda insensitive" vs "I think that's kinda insensitive") seems to help a lot.
DominicHillsun -107 points 3 years ago
How about just deal with it? Internet is meant to be free space, that includes racists, bigots, rednecks, people you disagree with.
Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.
Misconduct 91 points 3 years ago
Yeah, no. The Internet isn't meant to be a safe space for bigots. They're free to post and everyone else is free to chase them back under the rock where they belong.
metaStatic 17 points 3 years ago
While you're not wrong he said free space not safe space
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DominicHillsun -8 points 3 years ago
I'll make the analogy more clear to you. In 1984 the government got absolute information control, thats what you guys are worried about. In Fahrenheit 451 people themselves censored everything that offended anyone, eventually leading to all the books being burnt.
People have opinions, and lemmy is becoming a worse echochamber than reddit.
Elderos 14 points 3 years ago
Except the irony here is that the people we don't want here are those offended by everything, like different people existing, and are also the one banning books. most people aren't as easily offended as you make out to be, but most people expect jokes and behavior to be done in good taste, which translates to meaning no harms and no hate. only extremists of all sorts usually break that "rule".
starman2112 9 points 3 years ago
But nobody is burning books, we're just saying don't be a piece of shit on our website. If you feel like being a piece of shit, https://boards.4chan.org/b/ is right here, perfectly safe and unburned.
gizmonicus 41 points 3 years ago
My brother in Christ, you are conflating free speech with the freedom from consequences. You are free to express your opinions. You will not be arrested for that. You can use the internet however you wish to express whatever opinions you have, no matter how stupid or hateful they are.
However, if your opinion sucks, the community will "deal with it" by down voting your dumb ass, and if you piss enough people off, you'll get banned. Your rights have not been infringed. You're just an asshole and people don't want to listen to you anymore. You can freely go complain about it somewhere else.
I'm sure there is a community on the Internet that would welcome your shitty opinions into their little echo chamber. Go there if you don't like it here. Or, as you say: "deal with it".
stratoscaster 23 points 3 years ago
"but why can't I say offensive shit, it's so funny every single time"
It's not, edgy humor is stale especially the likes of 4chan
MossyFeathers 15 points 3 years ago
People have the right to say what they want (at least in the US, mostly), which includes people voicing their disagreement with stuff. It's a two-way street and we're better off with it that way. You can't force someone to listen to you, just like someone can't force you to listen to them.
What you can do, however, is attempt to educate people if they're willing to be educated. If successful in doing so, you help decrease the amount of bigotry that exists. In my opinion, attempting to engage with an individual to determine their intent is a way of dealing with it. Why stay silent when you could help make the world a better place?
new_acct_who_dis 14 points 3 years ago
Love you telling on yourself with that list
icepuncher69 11 points 3 years ago
Hey, leave rednecks out of it, the real ones mostly whant to be left alone and the more political ones are just syndicalist and pro workers rights. The nazi ones are city dwellers that own small dick energy trucks.
Rodeo 7 points 3 years ago
Man I know lots of small town rednecks and none of them are pro workers rights.
They've all been fooled into believing trickle down economics and at least half are anti vaxxers and while most aren't vocal about LGBT stuff they all roll their eyes and wouldn't give a shit if trans people were crucified. Oh and they all have oversized trucks just like every redneck does.
I don't know where this idea of good rednecks comes from, there's plenty of good people but they aren't rednecks.
icepuncher69 -1 points 3 years ago
Well fuck them i guess. Might as well label every single person that lives in rural areas your enemy if you are gonna generalize that much.
NewNewAccount 6 points 3 years ago
Deal with what, exactly?
narwhalperson 4 points 3 years ago
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neptune 47 points 3 years ago
The shit posters drive a wedge in a community and the people who don't like the "innocent" jokes leave. This makes fertile ground for ideological take over. Rinse and repeat in Fandoms, subreddits, message boards, etc.
gothicdecadence 20 points 3 years ago
Relevant video
Kronusdark 12 points 3 years ago
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letsgocrazy -28 points 3 years ago
Alternatively, the people who are so brittle that shit-posting causes them to somehow turn on half of the community were always going to volatile puritans.
UsernameIsTooLon 21 points 3 years ago
Except it's not so black and white. Crude jokes can be funny and unfunny. Shit-posting is one thing but offensive jokes just often repeat themselves and I can understand wanting something new every now and then.
letsgocrazy -1 points 3 years ago
I agree. But the discussion was shit-posting, not racist jokes, or am I missing something?
RecklessDwark 11 points 3 years ago
"Everyone who disagrees with my narrow worldview is mentally unwell, and other stories for children on the internet"
Written by self-isolation With illustrations by social media Featuring a forward by my racist uncle who would sneak me beers at family picnics
isVeryLoud 5 points 3 years ago
Schizo*
TwoBeeSan 47 points 3 years ago
My days on the Opie and Anthony reddit has given me good tone reading.
Fun racism and non fun racism. If it's ugly in tone they're racist. Remember Patrice or maybe Louis ck joking about how "jew" is both the normal term for Jewish people and the slur depending on the tone of how you say it. Reminds me of that but harder to tell with text.
Gnubyte 14 points 3 years ago
"louie Louie Louie loooooieeeee!"
I miss his FX show. He's a great comedian. Glad he came out and apologized and even made fun of himself a bit. I don't believe in eternal damnation of public figures like that unless people get physically harmed.
Elderos -2 points 3 years ago
I never understood the backlash on this one. He had their consent, and he wasn't even their boss or anything. He was also younger and not as famous. Asking coworkers for sexual stuff is weird af, but is about it. They consented, so I guess he read the room correctly back then.
money_loo 17 points 3 years ago
They consented to what they thought was a poor attempt at humor from someone in a position of power over them, boss or not, and then often were blocked in the room while he did it, y’know, against their consent.
I really hope that’s not your only understanding of how “consent” works when you’re peer pressured by a hero in a position of power over you.
Elderos 1 point 3 years ago
Never heard anything about being blocked in the room, I would appreciate the sources ob this if you have them. Also, I would appreciate if you could elaborate what power exactly he had on anyone at this point.
No need to be snarky about my definition of "consent", obviously we disagree on the dynamic of the situation, not the definition of consent.
zer0nix 0 points 3 years ago
In what fucking universe does the director of an absolute bomb have power over a lifelong actress?
Louie right after the disaster of pootie pie was quite a bit different than Louie at the height of his career.
It was a weird moment, and it is tangentially related since he is an example of a guy who got inordinately horny the moment he felt a connection with a woman he felt was a kindred, but what happened with Louie is quite a bit different than what happened with Weinstein or Cosby. It's quite arguable that he had less power in that exchange.
That people mix these things up says something about society but I'm not sure what.
Captain_Nipples 6 points 3 years ago
Oh man. That subreddit was a fucking trip. I followed it for a while, and couldn't believe how the hosts would interact with them. Some absolute crazy people on that sub
Disgusted_Tadpole 36 points 3 years ago
Tbh this is what I love with (uncensored) internet. It’s hard to draw the line between sarcasm and mental illness.
stratoscaster 60 points 3 years ago
Yeah but also it enables stuff like Nazi dogwhistling soooo lmao
Disgusted_Tadpole -4 points 3 years ago
Well, Nazi existed before the internet and would exist without it. They didn’t wait for the internet to enable themselves. There can’t be zero downside for having a 100% free platform, I do agree.
stratoscaster 28 points 3 years ago
Yeah but Nazism spread via propaganda, which is what dogwhistling is a form of.
The Internet is the largest spreader of propaganda that humanity has ever seen, so it's not surprising that it helped revitalize neo-nazism and fascism is general. It also served to make satire and actual radicalized behavior harder to detect. A lot of the time, 4chan boards use this "edgy satire" format to normalize the behavior (to an extent). See: the "MAP" misinformation campaign they did and how it reinforced actual pedophilia and demonized LGBT groups
Eleazar -59 points 3 years ago
Nah. Your definition of a Nazi is just anyone right of Mao. This place seems to be where the tankies went after getting banned from Reddit for encouraging violence toward people who don’t want to slob on government’s massive boot.
stratoscaster 28 points 3 years ago
Are your reading your own comments before posting?
CertifiedBlackGuy 1 point 3 years ago
Why would I do that? They're for you to enjoy, not me!
!/s!<
name_NULL111653 18 points 3 years ago
Lemmy seems to be more middle-left with just a few vocal extremists on both sides, actually. If anything the largest 'extreme' group i've seen here is anarchists, kind of the opposite of communists lol.
And the groups that do turn into a bunch of 'tankies' (slowly stares at Lemmygrad) have been defedrated across almost the entire fediverse...
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Eleazar 10 points 3 years ago
I think you’re correct honestly but with Lemmygrad defederated like the exploding-heads people they surely make mainstream accounts for the sake of their lunacy being interacted with.
Maybe it’s my instance of choice but I sure do see a ton of people with authoritarian views pretending they’re just simply leftists when they’re just as unhinged as Qtards.
icepuncher69 3 points 3 years ago
I know. Its beautyfull.
PersnickityPenguin -3 points 3 years ago
You like being around mentally ill people?
HonoraryMancunian 34 points 3 years ago
Post history helps
TemporaryPrimate 24 points 3 years ago
Then it helps more
Thisisforfun 9 points 3 years ago
Oh you found the Turning Point guys profile?
CertifiedBlackGuy 10 points 3 years ago
I find having a dank username helps more
SatansMaggotyCumFart 1 point 3 years ago
What is dank?
ComradePorkRoll 7 points 3 years ago
Yo mama.
Disgusted_Tadpole 3 points 3 years ago
Gotem
ChillPenguin 10 points 3 years ago
Hmm..
masquenox 2 points 3 years ago
He looked pretty extremist to me when he helped the Bush regime lie their way into Iraq. And the guy literally chose a pig to be his running mate.
Doesn't get more extreme than that - him pretending to be "nicer" than the more overt right-wingers doesn't change that.
Razp 0 points 3 years ago
The probability of encountering a "non-extremist" right-winger is exactly the same as of encountering a "non-extremist" left-winger and is quite small. The vast majority of people are moderates, either left or right leaning.
Also, from the European perspective, the American left aka Democrats are quite right leaning :)
masquenox -2 points 3 years ago
Both words, “extremist” and “right-wing”, have no real hard definitions.
No, right-wing ideology has a very hard and clear-cut definition - all politics that protects power and privilege. It really doesn't get any simpler than that.
Is being socially conservative right wing?
It's not supposed to be... but the only people self-applying the term in the US are fascists.
Is supporting capitalism right wing?
Yes. Period.
anti-racist and pro-trans left wing?
That's not progressive - that's radicalism.
Is socialism left wing? Is only communism left wing?
Yes.
Is someone an extremist if they condone violence?
No.
Is someone an extremist if they seek to change the system fundamentally?
No, that's radicalism.
Is someone an extremist if their political beliefs are very strongly held, no matter what they might be?
No.
masquenox 0 points 3 years ago
There is no common ground on these definitions.
Yes, they've spent trillions on propaganda machines to make sure no clear meaning can be ascribed to rather simple political concepts. That doesn't stop us from discovering their actual meanings at all.
We both know that different people use these terms differently.
Yes. See above.
The German political education ministry for example defines extremism
Sooo... power will attempt to "define" political concepts in a way that protects itself?
On the other hand, the ADL defines extremism as any belief outside of the mainstream
So, again... power will attempt to "define" political concepts in a way that protects itself?
Meanwhile, the British government considers extremism to be anything opposed to “British values”,
And... more of the same?
fact is that they do not have clear definitions
That's because "definitions" are utterly useless. What isn't useless is the meaning without which these political concepts cease to serve any purpose - and no amount of "muddying the water" will be able to rob them of that.
FlaminGoku 13 points 3 years ago
Shitposters are definitely not innocent.
I would also replace it with trolls because comments in that territory are consistently on or over the line.
icepuncher69 3 points 3 years ago
Amen
Rozauhtuno 16 points 3 years ago
Yes, let's tolerate any kind of intolerance. What could possibly go wrong? 🤡
hungryphrog 8 points 3 years ago
Remember when the nazis stopped genociding people when they were asked to stop being mean? Like, apparently the existence of some groups is something we can "agree to disagree" on.
idunnololz 8 points 3 years ago
Lol and someone made a post how no on here uses /s
IDontHavePantsOn 2 points 3 years ago
A year ago I made a sarcastic comment which most people understood as such, except one other commenter. I took the opportunity to make the most heavy handed sarcastic response I could where I said democrats should vote for SpongeBob and we should all be more like him because he's a hard worker.
Apparently that was the comment that needed the /s.
The real problem, in my opinion, is that when there's so much toxicity in a network that people need the /s, the network isn't capable of handling sarcasm anymore. At that point hate has won.
WarmSoda 6 points 3 years ago
It's hard to keep up, but I try to read like everyone is having a good time. Like hanging out with my friends. It's a lot easier to not get heated about comments and just enjoy things. Because it can absolutely be easy to get drawn into the toxicity.
Reddit turned into nothing but toxic and "actually" replies to even the simplistic of things. And that /s was everywhere. So yeah I think you're absolutely right.
Also, go fuck yourself.
UnfortunateShort 3 points 3 years ago
Sarcasm is no fun if everyone get's it and I genuinely hate /s tbh. It kinda established that you're always serious when you don't use it and deserves to die.
LaughingBuddha 3 points 3 years ago
That's always fun. Especially when you're the opposite of one.
PeriodicallyPedantic 0 points 3 years ago
Telling people you're being sarcastic makes it not funny anymore
PeriodicallyPedantic 3 points 3 years ago
I should add: unless that it's so obviously sarcastic that the /s is itself the joke.
Omega_Haxors -4 points 3 years ago
"Okay time to look at their post history" "hmm nothing bad... pretty alrigh- oh they're a communist"
Milk_SDF_Possum -5 points 3 years ago
Incredibly, Reddit was better in that aspect.
DragonTypeWyvern 22 points 3 years ago
One day you'll have developed your frontal cortex enough to realize not as many of them were joking as you thought.
DragonTypeWyvern 12 points 3 years ago
Yes. And so are you.
sweetviolentblush 6 points 3 years ago
whose targeting kids? where is anyone talking about that?
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Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
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@lemmy.ml
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Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
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Just check their comment history for like 30 seconds. Everyone makes a joke that misses the mark every now and then, but the shittiest people usually constantly spew their nonsense.
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