Nancy is more representative of wealthy American neo-liberals

Yes which is much closer to who the Dems are representing as a whole

While Nancy's actual politics may be more centrists than dem, shes still one of the old guards that must go away for any actual change in the party.

she’s more of a centrist parading around as a dem.

And that perfectly represents the party as a whole.

Sounds like you don't know what a Dem is

That's a funny take. The former speaker of the house who hand selected her replacement and was the leader of the Democratic caucus for more than a decade, and you're basically calling them a DINO

You know "centrist" is not a political party, right? Fuckin kids these days, what are they teaching you...

The progressives need a build a new party before we destroy the existing ones.

Weird how evolution takes time.

You’re not wrong. Apparently the truth stung someone pretty hard.

They have to live with the fact they didn’t vote as the next Hitler takes hold,

They think Thalmann did nothing wrong, so if anything, they celebrate that they didn't vote as the next Hitler takes hold.

Yawn.

Yet another goon who hasn't bothered looking up both party's voting history or criminal conviction history.

Do your homework.

Obamacare, the multiple times in 2016, 2020, and 2024 when they were deciding on a platform and universal healthcare never made the cut. They've had plenty of opportunities to push it and they never do.

Thought you might find this helpful in case you haven’t seen it before: https://democrats.org/...

Chelsea Clinton's available! :/

You're screaming into the void here on Lemmy. All we have are tankies and teenagers that want Amazon two-day shipping on their "Revolution^TM^" and are throwing a crying temper tantrum that the majority of the American public don't agree with them.

So they bitch about the Dems who are the only ones actually trying to solve the problem for not doing it fast enough while they themselves do literally nothing to solve any actual problems and giving the Republicans, the party that is actually causing all the problems, a complete free pass.

The tankies are the toddler throwing a tantrum on the floor of a toy store. The Dems are their mom who isn't buying them the Xbox game they want and the Republicans are the store owners hiking up the price of the game to make it unaffordable to all but the extremely wealthy. Their little baby brains can only think to whine and cry and blame their mom because they have no understanding of the reality behind, well.. anything really.

You're trying to talk sense to people of an extremist 'comply or die' style ideology here. Proper leftists have empathy enough for the well-being of their fellow humans and the planet we live on to recognize that simply burning everything to the ground benefits nobody. What we have in this place for the most part are keyboard commandos who wouldn't have the first clue what to do in the event of a full societical collapse.

I mean, some people were definitely like that, but I also just saw a lot of people who clearly didn't understand the concept of the mask. I can only speak for my own country of course, but over here the nay sayers were a very small, yet loud minority, while the vast majority of people did their best to wear the masks. Most of them just hadn't recieved proper instructions on how to use it.

I was lucky that we have a family member who is a nurse, so in our household, we know how to use the masks correctly, and let me tell you - fucking nobody used the masks correctly. Not even the most vehement mask users who talked about the importance of masks did it correctly. I was shown how to do it by a professional and even I did it wrong multiple times because you just kinda forget when you're busy, on the go or tired af after a long day, that you are under no circumstances supposed to touch the mask itself. The second you do, you have compromised the effect of the mask and you have contaminated your fingers.

Do you know how many times a day I saw people adjust their masks with their fingers, scratching their face underneath the mask, securing the mask over the nose, reusing the same mask over and over and not disinfect their hands at any point, but scratching and then pick items up at the store and put them down again?

I did it myself. A single mindless moment and you have compromised the effect of the mask. And don't get me started on the well-meaning souls who decided to sow masks without a clue about filters or anything like that.

This is something I just couldn't talk with people about during corona because everybody were fucking hysterical about covid. The smallest attempt to have a discussion was seen as suddenly I was an anti vaxxer and a conspiracy theorist, when all I ever said was that I didn't think the masks worked as well as people thought they did. They definitely had a positive effect on stopping the spreading cobbled with the distancing and the washing of hands. All of that contributed positively to it. But my god. I couldn't deal with people bearly wearing their masks properly (under the nose or even under the fucking chin, my dude) or reusing the same mask over and over. I knew most people didn't do it on purpose, but it really grinded my friggin gears to see them whenever I was out shopping groceries. Especially early on when we still didn't know how dangerous covid was and I was being super anal about using the masks correctly and super paranoid about catching it and passing it on to someone with a weak immune system. And then you walk past some old person with the mask under the nose one minute and a group of teens having the mask hanging around their chin for later use the next. I had colleagues who kept used masks in their pockets and pulled them out for a quick use whenever they had to run errands. Then back in the pocket it went.

But what can you do? People were just trying to live their lives and adjust to the changes and most of them did the best they could even if they completely missed the point of the masks. And I mean, you just can't expect anyone to use the masks the way medical personal do. Especially not out in the wild where life is messy. So in that sense I kinda learned to let it go, but I still have this nam-like flashback everytime I see someone with a mask underneath their nose.

Haven't seen that shit for so long and when I saw that picture I was back in the jungle, lol.

I mean, I want to give people the benefit of the doubt when I see them wear masks wrong, but instead I immediately get angry at them and think they are stupid, when that might not be the case. That's what I mean about getting irrationally angry. Most people who wear masks wrong don't do it out of malice, but out of ignorance, so me having an emotional reaction like that is irrational.

I agree. Both democrats and republicans pledge allegiance to capitalism above all else. This simply is not sustainable.

This is also why education and historical literacy is so important. If more people knew how that America is only successful because of (majority) socialist policies like the New Deal and Great Society then there will be more widespread support for a reinvigoration of them.

I think legacy media and centralized social media have dumbed down our populace to a point that they don’t even realize there is a way out. Everyone in the 99% stands to benefit from radical change.

What percentage of the American population are progressive? Please provide a reliable source for your information. And please don't provide something nebulous and without meaning like "75% of Americans support random progressive policy". Those polls show aggrement with a policy, not a desire to change current policy.

How about repeatedly bringing up the flaws of First past the post voting every election cycle and then doing nothing to solve it in the blue states they control?

I phone banked for him on his 2 most possible runs. He's way too old. AOC is the only half decent insider option in all of DC now.

After a lifetime of voting for the lesser evil to make the ship sink a little slower, voting blue from Kerry to Harris in the general after primarying for the most leftwing candidate available, and feeling dirty every time, either they can give me a candidate that isn't actively choking as they fellate oligarch dick, or I'll watch it all burn from home.

Does nobody remember Biden and Warren splitting the Bernie vote or

Considering that Liberals are literally right wingers (Political Science 101) masquerading as leftists, yeah you are turds in every way.

We actually agree on something

Agree on most things but "Best President" is hard to beat when two Roosevelts are the leaders for being the most progressive. Fuck, we may never see a president again who can do so much for social causes and the People as Teddy Roosevelt did. He crushed corporate monopolies, built up the FDA from nothing, and established National Parks as a way to stop business from eating up our shared land's natural resources.

That's really the one big thing I can think of that they did get through.

It got like 80mil people health insurance which was great.

It was still a huge compromise from the free universal healthcare that was the original goal.

It's worth noting that Obama did this by going around party leadership. Once he was in power he did not obey the DNC like other candidates have.

Wow a government that taxes you into oblivion for the War Pigs Somehow squeezes out a success. Every once in a while a blind squirrel finds a nut. You don't have a mental process that thinks in terms of like a program. It could be argued that the United States is not even a democracy, given all of the methods that the rich make it so that our candidates that have our best interest are never able to be chosen. And it's a mixture of people not understanding or knowing history with a sprinkling of illiteracy. that we continue to march down the road, choosing the same two parties over and over again, and living in a vacuum. Stuck in time. Repeating the same mistakes. The Yankees in whole both Democrat and Republican are some variation of fascist and relative to the rest of the world the left and right paradigm is more varied. America is a imperialist empire that employs fascist as useful idiots to do the bidding of the business owners and the capitalist class. Democrats just give you the impression that you have a choice. It's a form of pacification. They themselves can see themselves as powerful and still have faith in the institution. And they themselves can also be alright people, but the ROLE or FUNCTION that they play in all this is just controlled opposition. The more you go down the rabbit hole of world history and American history, you start to see patterns, and really nothing has changed. Like fascism and racism and all these isms are just character traits of societies. But they are symptoms of exponential processes inside of containers that can no longer withstand the flux. That's how you can have Nazi Jews. Not all Jews are Nazis, but Israelis in general, as a collective, are fascistic in nature. And there shouldn't be really a debate about this, but a lot of people are ignorant about what it's like in Israel and how the laws are written. To be honest it's almost like me. I live in Yankee land. I'm not a fascist. I think I am a minority in my opinions, but there is still a significant amount of people that believe as I do. I mean I can relate to a israeli., who chooses not to be a fascist. It's such a fucking mess. And at the root of it all, is that people just don't take interest really in current affairs, in a serious, responsible manner. As a collective, we are very misinformed Population. The Yankee likes to make fun of North Korea, but I think of us like North Korea. Like a mixture of Disneyland and North Korea. You put those two together and I think that's what it's like to live in America. But if you never left the country, you don't realize the rest of the people around the world live better lives. And like, I wouldn't stay here if I had a choice now that I know more about the world. Like vote Democrat. No thank you. Buy the plain ticket, leave the country forever and never look back. That's where I'm at.

This is because of red state Democrats like Manchin. Because every state gets two senators, there are more senators from red states than blue states. So Democrats have to capture more of the center to hey the majority in the Senate.

Kids were still in cages during Biden. Prison slave population still highest history. Biden started the genocide and handed it over to trump. Biden deported more people than trump. Biden didn't feel like codifing roe. No min wage discussions whatsoever. No universal healthcare. Harris wanted a stronger border than trump and bragged about it. Half of the US can't even afford a 1 bedroom apartment under Biden and Trump alike.

The two parties exist to appease their corporate donors. Nothing they do is in your interests.

By the way, progressive measures passed in many states, even states that Trump won. People want progressive policy but neither party is willing to deliver. This is a feature, not a bug, of capitalism.

No shit. I am replying to the meme which implies democrats want universal healthcare - they dont.

Based on social media I have no fucking clue what I am. But I do know I'd like universal Healthcare and the right for people not just to survive on their working wages. But to thrive. No one should have to struggle for basic necessities and a decent life.

The democratic party doesnt want universal healthcare

At a certain point, fascism is bad for business, so I can imagine a small overlap there.

Yeah when ICE is taking away my neighbors I always make sure to vet my resistance groups to make sure they have my same exact view on a conflict between two oligarch controlled nations. /s

I don't agree with Anarchist groups politically. But I sure as hell will stand in solidarity with them against fascism. If you sit by looking for the "politically pure" form of resistance to fascism you will always sit on a "holier than thou" fence of Liberalism.

I don't agree with PSL or DSA on everything. But what I do agree with is resisting ICE and fascism.

Are you doing something? Because maybe just talk to someone from PSL or DSA and actually just get info from the actual organizer's. Not some sweaty dude on Twitter.

Just go talk to someone. But don't just lie about an entire organization of people in a reddit comment and feel ok with watching more and more people getting black bagged.

I don't care if it's PSL, DSA, or your local anarchist bike gang. Just find something you can help with and resist. Stop making excuses because some sweaty Trotskyist like to be edgy on your timeline. Go outside.

When we resist fascism we can talk about the different degrees of being a leftist. But holy fuck this is not the time to do nothing.

That's exactly the problem. I hate the Democrats as much as the Republicans, but the DSA is so full of tankies I want nothing to do with them either. There is literally no party in this country for people like me.

Weaselly bullshit.

"Both sides are the same" isn't some fucking Leftist code that actually means some other thing. You meant what you goddamn said.

It can be - certainly.

One of the basic dynamics of partisan politics, and one of the main reasons that parties decline, is that people wear a party label as a substitute for more meaningful action.

In this case, people who want to project an image of progressivism without actually doing anything practical to advance the cause adopt (or adopted - more so in the past) the "Democrat" label as a way to signal their progressivism. The fact that they wear the label is then folded into their self -image - they can be proud that they're progressive, because after all, they're Democrats, which proves it.

One problem though is that that only works as long as the Democrats are seen to be progressive. If they're no longer seen that way, then by extension the party faithful are themselves no longer progressive either.

So effectively, a criticism of the party is a criticism of the individual, so they have a vested interest in defending the party from criticism.

Agreed. Their progressive Renaissance is always just one presidency away, and they will perpetually sacrifice however many Palestinians it takes to bide themselves time.

In other words, they will keep throwing bodies into the blood machine that is the American political experiment in hopes of a progressive renewal that will never happen. There is no red line for them - that is, a point where they'd consider "damn, we are fucking shit up heavy for the whole world, and we have a duty to tear ourselves down".

I think it’s also selfishness. These dumbasses are still comfortable in life and so refuse to take off their blinders.

lol. lmao.

Nowhere in history have things gotten better by simply waiting.

Surprisingly, nowhere in history have things gotten better by refusing to do the bare minimum of preventing authoritarians from coming into power because you want to cosplay revolution, and then failing to even cosplay revolution after the authoritarians come in.

"nazi's love Israel".. Fucking clown

The existence of the putrid does not make trash good

All lot of "No true Scotsman" going on in this comment section, for sure