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Goodtoknow 63 points a year ago

why is automation removing the joy and creativity of cooking instead of the dishes, which is what the person is left to do.

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OsrsNeedsF2P 28 points a year ago

What do you think a dishwasher is

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oldfart -3 points a year ago

More work to prep dishes for washing than actual help

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SnortsGarlicPowder 11 points a year ago

Have you ever used a dishwasher?

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oldfart 2 points a year ago

Yes, and I've been disgusted by pieces of food perma-sticked to otherwise clinically clean mugs.

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Melonpoly 5 points a year ago

... you don't need to prep your dishes before putting it in the dishwasher.

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jrs100000 13 points a year ago

How much joy and creativity do think there was in these places before?

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jpreston2005 8 points a year ago

When I was a cook, even if I was just making something simple, I could still find creative satisfaction in a variety of ways. How you sprinkle on the garnish, plating, using a little more of this, a little less of that. Food to a chef is like art designed to be destroyed, so with the temporary nature of the medium, it really allows you to be creative. You're not hung up on making it perfect, because it's just about to be eaten, so it let's you be more free with your design choices. It can be fun creating art while you're supposed to be working.

but if my job was suddenly just washing up after a machine... well. That will get old real quick.

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3abas 2 points a year ago

The first paragraph is a fantasy.

In this restaurant, where the chef was replaced by a salad machine, the "chef" was a human salad machine before. There was no time to play with garnish and playing, they weren't serving Michelin star food. The term "chef" is used very liberally here, you aren't a chef if the only thing you cook at a restaurant is assemble salad that a machine can do to the same standard.

They were assembling salads, it wasn't a dream job.

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jpreston2005 1 point a year ago

Literally not a fantasy, but my and a lot of cooks reality.

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invertedspear 8 points a year ago

More than there was before the cooks got put on dishwashing and floor mopping.

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0x0 5 points a year ago

Imagine being able to automate a cook but science still hasnt come far enough for some kind of dish washing machine and a robotic vaccum cleaner, weird huh

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DeathsEmbrace 1 point a year ago
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ArchmageAzor 1 point a year ago

Automation should replace cooks, but in fast food restaurants instead of proper ones. They should free up people who work brain-dead jobs at Mcdonalds or KFC to let them work at other places, including other proper restaurants that don't make fast food.

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Cosmonauticus -2 points a year ago

Lol yeah right. I'm sure the only thing stopping Brandon from working at a Michelin restaurant is his McDonald's job off of I-95

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ArchmageAzor 2 points a year ago

So it's better that he never even gets the opportunity to try to make it there? It's better if he works at Mcdonalds until he's 60?

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flux 0 points a year ago

Does he already not have the opportunity, robot or not?

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CalipherJones 24 points a year ago

South Korea is genuinely fucked as a country. Population decline is going to ruin them. It's going to ruin a lot in the U.S as well.

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partial_accumen 33 points a year ago

The USA was actually on a survivable path with our low domestic birth rate because of the large immigration was compensating. Well, now we've fucked that up royally by kicking out our immigrants, and also made ourselves a pariah on the global stage so no new immigrants will want to come here.

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Ledericas 6 points a year ago

also the tariffs, and the anti-science funding cuts have turned people off from the US.

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TimewornTraveler 3 points a year ago

Korea is not fucked. We're doing better than the US at fighting fascism. Birth rates are on the rise. Universal Healthcare is already decades ongoing. They're proposing a four day workweek. It's fucking paradise compared to much of the world.

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Cosmonauticus 1 point a year ago

Yeah that 4 day work week might become a thing. You'll just work 17 hours a day. Samsung just extended their work weeks to 64 hours a week regarding semiconductors after complaining about the 52 hours limit. You guys are good at fighting facism and corruption as long as Samsung isn't involved. And your birthrate raised by .03 to .75. A healthy population needs like 2.1. And you guys are not immune from inflation and global markets so your cost of living has gone up like everyone else. And considering the poverty rate for the super young and the really old are sky high things aren't looking good.

I'm not trying to shit on South Korea but you guys are just as fucked as everyone else. It's no paradise

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Ledericas 3 points a year ago

apparently SK is worst off than japan.

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cm0002 22 points a year ago

Are they really making the food worse, or are people just biased against it because a robot made it? Because humans are perfectly capable of making shit food themselves as well

In any case, in a world where 1st world countries actually took care of their citizens this would be a non-issue. Either there would be some sort of UBI program in place for workers that get replaced by robots or a worker re-training program or a combination of both (e.g. people still have an income during that training).

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partial_accumen 12 points a year ago

Either there would be some sort of UBI program in place for workers that get replaced by robots

UBI wouldn't be just for workers that get replace by robots. The "U" in "UBI" is Universal, meaning everyone gets the Basic Income. From the guy with untreated mental illness that hangs out in the park to the richest billionaire.

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cm0002 -1 points a year ago

Well yea, but rolling it out slowly as people get "displaced" is how it would realistically get started IMO. It would be quite a taxing program for any country to just suddenly start

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Sturgist 5 points a year ago

The problem is that SK(and a vast majority of the rest of the world) have declining birth rates. South Korea doesn't have a "staffing" issue, they have a people being born issue. And most of the rest of us are gonna start feeling it soon too!

If something drastic doesn't change for SK soon, in 30-60 years they won't have enough people working to cover pensions, let alone UBI.

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mosiacmango 5 points a year ago

You can pay for ubi by taxing the robots, both physical and digital.

UBI is entirely possible if we transfer just a fraction of the wealth from corporations back to people.

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x00z 5 points a year ago

Only humans can add love.

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Goretantath 5 points a year ago

Thats called "eyeballing the recipie"

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BlameTheAntifa -2 points a year ago

Love… apathy… it’s 2025, that Venn Diagram is a circle.

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ArchmageAzor -1 points a year ago

There's no love in food, only improvised measurements. Adding too much or too little of something alters the taste in subtle ways to make the dish taste unique.

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ArchmageAzor 2 points a year ago

That's what I'm thinking. I bet if you put a human-prepared meal and a robot-prepared meal next to each other and didn't tell the customer which is which, they wouldn't be able to tell. It's like how wine tastes better if you think it's more expensive.

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TRBoom 22 points a year ago

I lived in Korea for a couple of years and ate at some of these places while traveling.

It was honestly always good. Basically you do a quick order, get a ticket, then get your food. I always got the fried pork cutlet. That shit was the bomb.

Now that I am back in the states I miss the level of care and dedication that Koreans put into the food they make and I’d go back again just for the eats.

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CosmoNova 8 points a year ago

They are useful when someone works late shifts and wants something proper at like 12pm when every kitchen worker has long gone home. They usually offer a more limited menu but it‘s honestly a neat idea.

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CosmoNova 9 points a year ago

These have been in use in German cantinas for a while as well. Usually inside hospitals or larger office spaces.

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Goretantath 4 points a year ago

So, why not just replace humans at odd hours of the night some rando walks in, and keep em during normal buisness hours?

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Nighed 12 points a year ago

Because then you have an expensive robot not being used, while still keeping the wage bill.

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veeesix 4 points a year ago

Never thought about it before, but is there science fiction with a premise where humans might someday forget how to cook because it’s no longer a part of the culture?

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jacksilver 9 points a year ago

Star trek touches on it a bit. Some people definitely still cook in the shows, but it's almost seen as a thing for special occasions.

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veeesix 1 point a year ago

That’s a good point! SNW does have Pike cooking for some of his crew on occasion.

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Carrolade 6 points a year ago

Not off the top of my head. Cooking is frequently a recreational hobby though, it's essentially an art form. So I think it's about equally likely that dancing, painting or making music fade away.

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sem 3 points a year ago

Sewing is fading away but maybe that's different enough

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phdepressed 5 points a year ago

People do crossstitch and make unique outfits all the time. Everyone not in rich consumer countries (and the poorer people in those countries) all learn at least basic stiching.

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Xatolos 6 points a year ago
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veeesix 2 points a year ago

That’s so cool, thank you. I never delved into Asimov before, but it’s sounds like I really should.

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ArchmageAzor -3 points a year ago

I think this is what SK has to do, given their slowly dwindling population. Staffing restaurants with robots will let the people who would have worked there get employed at places that may need a human worker.

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