Seriously, couldn't they just extend the tube a bit so it overhangs the exhaust pipe???
Oil draining over the hot exhaust? Sounds good guys, let's sign it off and start production!
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whatisallthis 37 points 3 years ago
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TweetyDaBird 22 points 3 years ago
No, this is not asshole design. If the oil port was sticking further out, it’s gets knocked off if you lay the bike down. And then you have no oil at all, and a blown up motor.
It’s by good design the oil port is recessed. Yes it’s annoying to use a funnel, but it’s the preferable option.
Pyr_Pressure 5 points 3 years ago
?? Oil port would only need to be extended by like 0.5" to clear that exhaust pipe, the casing to the left extends probably 1-2" from that. If you lay the bike down it that casing would stop the oil port from being touched. Shouldn't be an issue.
TweetyDaBird 3 points 3 years ago
And the cap on the port extends another .5-1” when in place. Which means it’s sitting below the surface of the other things as is, but add .5” and it now becomes level with a few things. And level is by far enough for the cap to grab, twist and pull out. And when it does, you’re done riding for a while.
And instead of replacing the tip of the oil cap and the outer cases, you end up with a damaged block. Much more expensive.
A far better idea is to have a tool, admittedly not in every man’s possession, but tilt the bike away, remove the cap, and thread in. Tilt the bike back and you have a little spout. Clean, simple and easy. These are available for just about every manufacturers cap size and thread.
PlasmaDistortion 15 points 3 years ago
Honestly they sound like asshole engineers trying to justify their poor quality of work. Cardboard, tinfoil, and brake cleaner can’t excuse a poor design.
DietBajaBlast 9 points 3 years ago
Does Lemmy have a “just rolled into the shop”? I would join instantly.
ma11en 6 points 3 years ago
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TheMightyCanuck 1 point 3 years ago
Bump cause I'm also interested
Kecessa -4 points 3 years ago
Make the exhaust curve back a bit? More expensive to make the part than having a straight pipe with just one bend.
Dent the exhaust? Affect flow, create hot spot right under the oil drain plug.
Expect people to be intelligent enough to put some cardboard or foil under the plug so they don't spill oil on the exhaust? Idiots are complaining and posting their failure on the internet and blaming you.
numlok 6 points 3 years ago
You can plainly see that there's plenty of other material sticking out much further than any 1cm extension. If you were in a crash that ate through all that material first, I'm sure the engine casing would be the least of your worries.
ScreamingFirehawk 3 points 3 years ago
You don't normally change oil with the engine running
intensely_human 1 point 3 years ago
I’m talking about the sparklers I’m using for illumination
luthis 5 points 3 years ago
All fire needs is heat, oxygen, and fuel. You've got all of that there.
The exhaust gets hot enough to burn off oil when it's idling, so I'm sure it's hot enough to burn cardboard.
I'm not going to risk it, the tinfoil idea sounds like the goer here.
Kecessa 1 point 3 years ago
Are you doing your oil change with the engine running or something?
No, it won't make cardboard catch on fire, just like the oil on it won't catch on fire if you left it there.
nottelling 41 points 3 years ago
This is super common with motorcycles. The motor should be warm, but not ignite-the-oil hot during an oil change. Clean it up with some brake cleaner.
Use a piece of aluminum foil to make a little drain to direct the oil over the exhaust.
hi_im_FitcH 10 points 3 years ago
Do you have any idea how much the manufacturer saved in not extending the pipe tho?
Because I have no clue. Probably wurf rite
nottelling 7 points 3 years ago
What they actually probably saved was needing to design a whole separate engine case for each bike in their lineup to match all their exhaust configurations.
The idea of having a little pipe protruding out is a different kind of bad design. Things that poke out from engine cases tend to snag or get punched in during a crash, turning what would be some scrapes on the block into a completely totaled engine.
intensely_human 1 point 3 years ago
Plus people know you mean business when you’ve got some foil.
Guy pulls over his car and brings out the the lug wrench, okay fine. He’s gonna change that tire. Let’s hope he doesn’t forget to chock the wheels, but he’s got the idea.
But you see a dude pullin reynolds wrap out of his bags next to a motorcycle on the off-ramp, that’s a serious dude. That’s the kind of dude you give that dude a burger when he walks by. That’s all I’m sayin.
intensely_human 1 point 3 years ago
my man
mhz 2 points 3 years ago
A genuine question if you would like please, I know you meant warm oil for easy maneuvering (oil moves faster when warm/hot), but what about hot oil? Is it safe to change motorcycle oil after an hour or more ride when the oil might be toi hot?
A co-worker of mine tried adding water to his car reservoir after he just stopped from a long ride, the water was near boiling point and it blowed up on him the moment he opened tha water reservoir (not sure that is the correct name). Can such a thing happens with oil exchange?
nottelling 4 points 3 years ago
Oil doesn't expand and steam like water, so no that won't happen, but hot oil leads to very nasty burns and can melt gloves onto your hands. Most bikes run the oil around 200 degrees. So no it isn't safe to change hot oil. Don't do that.
intensely_human 0 points 3 years ago
And, specifically because oil doesn’t boil at those temperatures, it can be at much higher temperature than water can be as a liquid.
We tend to have a mental model of how much damage water can do at its “max” temperature, because liquid water stops existing after a certain temp.
But oil can be so much hotter than that, and still just be a liquid. It’s dangerous in that way, because while a drop of water at near boiling can only do so much damage but a drop of oil can be holding a lot more heat and hence cook a lot more of your flesh before it runs equalizes with the surroundings
ThatOneDudeFromOhio 20 points 3 years ago
I bet the maintenance guide says to use a funnel or something ¯\(ツ)/¯
ThatOneDudeFromOhio 2 points 3 years ago
Extra effort. Love it dude. Thanks for the legitimate discourse.
This is certified assholedesign as per the user manual 😂
collegefurtrader 6 points 3 years ago
Quote: yeah, let's blame the user for not fixing the manufacturer's shitty design
Fluffy_Ruffs 20 points 3 years ago
Next time just rotate the bike 90° so the oil drains straight out and misses the exhaust. Problem solved!
Red_October 15 points 3 years ago
Alternatively redirecting gravity by 90° would also solve the problem, without the difficulty of needing to reposition the bite.
Resistentialism 3 points 3 years ago
Tipping it over could cause a drop, which could be costly to replace. And if you're just holding it to one side. You'd need a second person to either hold it, or take the plug out.
motsu 19 points 3 years ago
Doesn't help for this (or the next) oil change... But look into a fujimoto drain plug. Its a mini ball valve that is spring loaded (so you have to press the leaver up before you can turn it... Also has a 2nd safety in the form of a plastic clip that prevents it from being pressed up). Makes oil changes so easy. For your bike, it might still be too recessed, but the valve has a hose barb on it too so you can direct the oil into the drain pan
thepianistfroggollum 2 points 3 years ago
I like not having to have to use a jack to get enough clearance to use a wrench.
Anonymoose 2 points 3 years ago
Seen a lot of complaints about these thing leaking over time in the car communities. No experience myself, but may be something to keep in mind, especially of you end up laying the bike over.
thepianistfroggollum 1 point 3 years ago
I'm 100% buying another fumoto valve when my free oil change plan is up. I never even had to jack up my old car to change its oil.
My one complaint was that without seeing the valve, it's super hard to remember which way you push and which way to turn. Not fun to figure out when your oil is at highway temps and you're fumbling around between hot parts with a glove that's getting hotter and hotter.
But that's mostly because I'm stubborn.
TweetyDaBird 18 points 3 years ago
Well the problem with that is when you lay the bike down, the oil port gets shaved off and you lose all your oil. Don’t ask me how I know.
So yeah, it’s a PITA to use a funnel, but it’s still the preferable option.
blindbunny 17 points 3 years ago
Super duke is like this too I just put aluminum foil over the exhaust.
intensely_human -3 points 3 years ago
What does that do?
blindbunny 38 points 3 years ago
Keeps oil from getting on the exhaust.
Tristaniopsis 3 points 3 years ago
Keeps ‘THEM’ from reading the exhaust pipe’s mind.
Pyr_Pressure 8 points 3 years ago
That would cost $0.76 more in materials per vehicle, unacceptable!
BilboBargains 6 points 3 years ago
Problems such as these are usually a management failure. The design of individual components are often owned by a particular person or small group. They take responsibility for the design and testing. If one person owns the sump and another person owns the exhaust pipe, their work needs to be coordinated in such a way that the finished product meets all its goals. It wouldn't be a surprise to find out that the exhaust engineer had to re-route the pipe in order to resolve some other clash and they ran out of time to fix the new problem before mass production had to start. Making complex machinery is difficult.
shiroininja 5 points 3 years ago
What kind of motor is this?
nottelling 4 points 3 years ago
The kind that goes in the motorcycle it's in.
mojofrododojo 3 points 3 years ago
keeps the exhaust lubricated so it doesn't seize up.
stealthnerd 5 points 3 years ago
It's most likely set back to keep it protected. A bit annoying but probably better than having it stick out and be exposed.
Hazdaz 2 points 3 years ago
If they made the spout longer, people would complain that they hit it with their shoes while riding. Or complain that it limits their ability to put on aftermarket pipes. Or some other issue that might be caused by it being longer. It is all about trade-offs.
Of all the options, I think dealing with a little oil on the pipes every 3000 miles or so is reasonable, especially since a piece of tin foil would solve the problem.
thepianistfroggollum 1 point 3 years ago
Plastic would be a bad idea, but there's a company called Fumoto that makes a ball valve replacement for the drain pan plug that has a hose barb on the end.
I can't recommend them enough.
regulatorg 3 points 3 years ago
What's the big deal just spray some degreaser on it then take it for a big rip
TomMasz 2 points 3 years ago
I had an '85 Dodge Omni GLH (turbo) where that had the oil drain plug directly over a cross member. I don't know if that was standard in the Omni or added for the GLH but when you drained the oil it just went everywhere. My oil drain pan wasn't big enough to catch it all. I stopped doing my own oil changes on that car.
Auk 2 points 3 years ago
My Funduro does the same thing, but right at the header so if you get any oil at all on the pipe you get a nice cloud of smoke upon firing the bike up.
I still prefer dealing with that though over how my WR400 makes you take the header section off in order to change the oil filter. That gets more annoying - particularly as that's something one has to do pretty regularly on that bike.
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intensely_human 0 points 3 years ago
Shouldn’t the process be like:
- Build five
- Drive them around as your own bikes for a while
- Keep replacing the ones you’re using with the latest iteration
I mean, a lawyer’s gonna disallow that I’m pretty sure but that’s how we’d be designing new bikes at DaVinci Crater if I were over there. I’ll stay on the low sec roads, I know it needs major design certification before anyone can take it on the nice roads
collegefurtrader -5 points 3 years ago
How about instead of playing a victim, stick a piece of tin foil over the pipe?
collegefurtrader -1 points 3 years ago
The oil should change itself 😥
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