Similarly, had no 3rd party add but was so disgusted by how the company has acted that I'll never be able to use them again in good conscious. It feels like these sort of corporate moves of "eat a bag of shit or don't eat at all" have been really ramping up as of late. You do things that you know your users or customers won't like and then see how they'll react. Did a lot leave? Some did but now I know that the ones that are left will take whatever financial or TOS curveball that I can think up. I can make more money by providing less options, and shittier service, but I'll say the exact opposite. And when the thing we do brakes or charges you 5x the amount you signed up for then our customers will need to take half a day to get around every dead end automated messenger and customer call line that takes 2+ hours because of "covid."

I agree with your last point so much. I also used the official app and had a 12 year account, but fuck if I am going to just stand by and watch another corporate board make our world a bit more miserable for the sake of their profit. Let them have dust.

This is similar to me. I used Reddit's official app, so initially I wasn't bothered by 3rd party apps going away. But seeing Reddit's response, which is basically "users will bow down and do what we want, they will generate revenue for us and not complain, and we will never listen to them", is what made me not want to use Reddit again. So now I'm not using it.

Pretty much the same. I didn’t mind the Reddit app and even paid the monthly fee because I wanted to support a site that I used daily. I also had Apollo and used it and was pretty indifferent between the two. Each had their positives and negatives and don’t mind paying a fee as long as it is reasonable but I can’t turn a blind eye to the bullshit u/spez is pulling.

I'm a Relay user. I found the amount of ads and pushed content/gimmicks on the official reddit app and 'new' mobile website (which is already straight up hostile to browser users, very intrusively pushing the app) aggravating and found old.reddit not super usable on mobile, where I spend most of my life (RIP).

I was hopeful the Relay dev could find a pricing mechanism which would enable him to continue, but to be honest, as long as I know where my main communities will migrate to I'm no longer broken-hearted that I wont be on reddit - although I feel for the devs who have had so much work ripped out from under them in this way. The direction of Reddit as a company is clearly laid out before us with spez's and admins' responses and what is looking to happen with piracy, NSFW etc content, and they do not want to support all the things that make it great. They seem to almost hate its whole raison d'etre - its widely open and extensive community forums, development/tech led userbase, its potential for a very easy-to-read but user-specific or incredibly niche experience if wanted.

I understand how this means they are not profitable like more algorithm-intensive and centralised social media companies with stronger ad platforms, and I would, like the devs, very much understand some sort of pricing for API access. But their aggression and lack of communication, the kind of PR- or IPO-led choices they're making and general 'snoo'tiness (sorry) makes it clear that they're a company I no longer really support. Especially if they're taking anything Elon says seriously, blimey.

I support the reddit userbase and community, I'm not loyal to a random brand - I've been on there for >10 years as well but only because it felt like the website was just the vehicle for the underlying communities, rather than the headline company plastering itself on everything (apart from the occasional r/place sort of event). Now they're pushing their branding over the content so much I'm glad to be rid of it, just like meta and twitter.

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I went back and checked and apparently hadn't bought the premium RiF app over the 11 years I was on reddit so I went back and bought it this week as a final thank you.

Never used Apollo and never had an Iphone, but i just gave a couple bucks just for the work it takes him to be this transparent about all what is happening.

The digs about what a real leader would do are hilarious.

I won't lie, I've been enjoying this past week with (minimal) Reddit use!

I hope Christian sues them for libel.

I'm a Sync user and I feel the same. All of these third party all developers seem like great people and they all have my full support despite whatever all I chose to use.

RIF was the first mobile Reddit client I used when I got my first smartphone back in 2015. I switched to Sync after a while because of loading issues due to poor mobile internet speeds but I still occasionally use it. It was essentially an interface very similar to the main site at the time.

It really does make me wonder at what point the apollo dev does take Huffman to court for defamation.

Really good business to Elon and spez means Nazis screaming all over your timeline.

Twitter's a cesspit now, Musk's reputation took a hit, and Twitter's valuation is something like a third of what Elon paid for a controlling share eight months ago. What is it that Spez thinks is "good business" about all this?

I don't like calling people stupid, because it's usually reductive and lazy, but... how else can you explain it?

This really shows how out of touch spez is with his user-base.

For all we know Christian is talking to a lawyer behind the scenes, it's typically not recommended by attorneys to announce that you plan on suing someone

I don’t think he’s been harmed in any way that’s illegal. Defamation, perhaps, but those are hard and expensive cases to prosecute.

This situation sucks and Reddit has blown all kinds of good will, but I’m doubtful that they’ve broken any laws.

Defamation is a crazy hard legal battle to win. Realistically, a law firm would have to want to take on the risk of a long legal fight with a high risk of no pay day. You’re not going to get a one person shop to bankroll a long legal fight with multi million dollar company.

I am curious what you think the angle he has to sue for?

I've followed Apollo's development from the first post he made and he's always been so open, communicative and collaborative that I couldn't imagine anything else than his side of the story. It's great he has the evidence to back that up.

I really, really hope he sues. u/spez defamed him and it would be an injustice for that to go unpunished.

I'm with you. The actual lie is surprisingly easy to prove here. I think any defamation suit is going to run up hard against the actual damages requirement.

So far, Christian's actions and statements have been received so well by the community that Huffman's lies don't appear to be causing any notable harm.

He might stand a relatively good chance to win it, but defamation lawsuits are expensive to start either way. Also, it's no doubt even more complicated (read: expensive) because he's in Canada while reddit is in the US.

Also, reddit has no profits, and its only asset is that which they stole from users, as Steve Wankman has said.

I think it will be more interesting to see what kind of novel GDPR claims people have. Record fines and all that.

I can just hear Elon on the phone to Huffman: “Stay strong, like I’m doing with the vaccine disinformation.”

Fucking ridiculous.

/r/politics and /r/worldnews are beyond terrible. Just constant propaganda and astro turfing, bots, and just generally brainwashed idiots who take an editorialized headline as fact, and then race to the comments to make a shitty non-constructive joke. And God forbid you try to bring up evidence to counter their arguments, you'll get downvoted to hell if not banned. It really started to become noticable around 2016 after Bernie lost the primaries, and it's only gotten exponentially worse since then.

I can. This is what companies do. This is why for profit corporations should not run our digital town squares and social media. Even if they're good in the beginning, they will ultimately fall to the monster that is the quarterly profits report. Even if they're profitable, they want to be MORE profitable.

That's why I'm excited about the fediverse, we can finally try to democratize the infrastructure and codebase that we all benefit from, instead of it being closed off and in the hands of the few, who have a different agenda than the normal user.

Yeah, I saw that. Those sound like people I'll gladly leave behind.

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Already being done! In the mean time, Jerboa is not really that bad if you are on Android.

There is an app in development to support both kbin and Lemmy.

Beta sign-ups are in that magazine, beta will start rolling out at the end of this month. It will support both iOS and Android.