It's the grim reaper, waiting for them to drown.
It's the grim reaper, waiting for them to drown.
Where should we be putting our efforts? Where should we be putting our focus? I'll tell you where our enemies are putting it. They're putting it on the kids.
It's no wonder, with that kind of intense training and discipling, that those young people are ready to kill themselves for the cause of Islam. I wanna see young people who are as committed to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I wanna see them as radically laying down their lives for the Gospel as they are over in Pakistan and Israel and Palestine and all those different places, you know, because we have... excuse me, but we have the truth!
Becky Fisher, Jesus Camp
Maybe we are not so different, in a warld where you are not so brown, we could even be friends
Further widening the canyon between the two parties with this kind of cynical and dishonest takes isn’t just unproductive - it’s counterproductive. Fake internet points aren’t that valuable.
“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.” Feeling wronged doesn’t give you a free pass to distort reality or attack people dishonestly. You can criticize Republicans all you want - but do it with integrity. You’d rightly call them out for misrepresenting your views, so maybe hold yourself to that same standard.
And let’s not throw around accusations of “both sides” when your own response jumped straight to whataboutism. If you care about the truth, it should apply consistently.
Oh sorry, how many planned parenthood’s have been bombed in the past decade? How’s that for “integrity.” When republicans don’t like something, they resort to actual terrorism. What regime does that remind you of? One that suppresses women’s voice. Stones them for infidelity. Ring any bells?
The courts have deemed a women’s life less important than their unborn child. What’s next?
If material analysis wIdEns ThE cAnYoN then maybe it's necessary - distancing logical discourse from lying scheming fascists that is. If you omit the similarities between right wingers you might as well join them.
you might as well join them.
I don’t see how that furthers your cause. Quite a few have already joined them, as you might’ve noticed - and this kind of rhetoric isn’t exactly helping with that.
Crying for "civil discourse" neuters popular resistance. It has to be as clear as possible which side is the wrong side.
Religion is a monstrous evil.
(uk) I told a Pakistani guy(who I absolutely adore despite him being young and believing the Jews did 9/11 lmao) at work that I have a 'crush' on this Afgani girl. He told me she's not good cuz she grew up here and that I should go for one that's properly raised abroad. "Less headache" he said
I refuse to believe religion is anything else but a scheme to have control over women
While i agree that women get the short end of the stick religion is also a tool to control the male part of the population. Everyone is made to fit their (more or less shitty) role. What i want to say is: Women AND Men will be the winner if religion dies.
True. I totally hate the idea of being a husband, a provider for the family, of the societal push to be successful and rich enough or else you won't be a good father and husband. I don't want to be fully responsible for any wife. All of this so I can nurture children so they work tirelessly. More flesh for the sweatshops and warehouses. Please give me a break.
And the poor
I had a fantastic co-worker who believed the same. He is Palestinian, although his family fled to Jordan in his childhood. Most people who would say such a thing I would have nothing more to do with. But it's like, eh, he kinda gets a pass.
They did plan on doing 9/11 on a Jewish holiday to make it look like that
So do they have like an e-newsletter or something? What's the proposed mechanism?
Edit: okay, I've thought about it. It's absurd, but at least conceivable, that you could have a listserv Jewish Employees Working in WTC or whatever. Fine. But that's not enough! You also have to be sure no visitors, meeting attendees, etc...from all over the world are Jewish. So you expect me to believe that for an entire day, there were zero Jewish people in business meetings. I mean, COME ON! I just don't get antisemitism.
I refuse to believe religion is anything else but a scheme to have control over women others.
The men are happy to be stepped on by the leaders, if they have somebody else to step on in turn.
And sadly, religion is just one of many tools to be used this way.
I realise somewhat the irony
Do you actually realize the irony of your extremely racist tirade?
Is it racist to have an opinion on the brainwashing by a religion and the utter dolts who practise it? Religionist? It's racist until it happens to you and you're outnumbered by these people who think they control the cities they inhabit, in some, forcing women of all races to wear scarves or face verbal / physical / sexual abuse from Pakistani men, Pakistani women looking you up and down then telling you in your country that you can't get in the lift with them because you're white, days can go by where hearing English on the street is the exception, hearing Arabic prayers played daily on loudspeakers in the town centre, workers employed in public-facing roles in England unable to speak any English, only Arabic and have to call over someone else to communicate with you?
Indeed.
I don't know... I'm getting pretty hot and bothered by the man being bear chested, which is his fault of course.
He shouldn't be allowed in public like that because it makes me sexually frustrated and if I loose lose control he should be held responsible for it not me.
You joke, but there was an imam who said it is bad for a man to wear beards because it tempts other people. Tell us you're gay without telling us you're gay, lol.
There was an Iranian official who manages the censorship board. Iirc, he got caught sending extremely explicit messages to a man in his early twenties.
Religion is a cancer.
One likes bears, the other likes twinks, can you truly blame them? 😔
I can see why. I mean, I personally will fuck anything that is shaved. Man, woman, everything in between.
There was even a piece of timber that was giving me the come on, so I got my wood planer out and did the business.
It's not my fault, that oaky harlot was begging for it...and got what it deserved!!
Slightly different fairly tales.
It’s only responsible for war, hate, and bigotry.
I wish that were true, but Ayn Rand proved you can propagate all of these things as an Atheist.
That's hilarious in an looking in from the outside kind of way.
I remember watching a tirade from a similar imam that you mentioned. He was going in on women's shoe wear and how some shoes showed too much if the foot and the arch. Like dude, foot fetish much?
Unlike religion, many cancers can be vanquished.
I would say "Hold on..."
But the man is not beary enough.
Needs more fluff in that chest,
Very good thank you.
TBF, big loose clothing is actually the best for that weather. That's why they wear it (men and women both). The only difference is the face covering and the color.
Muslim here, face covering is not religiously mandated at all, to the point that it actually MUST be removed when going on hajj. Anything else is religious extremism.
Even wearing hijab HAS to be a woman's choice and cannot be forced upon them by anyone else. People who force women to do otherwise are control freaks who stem from Wahhabism. Their treatment clearly shows they don't think of women as human and I hate them as much as I hate Zionists.
The only thing that women are religiously mandated to cover at all times in public is their torso up to their elbows, and their legs up to their knees. For men it's their legs from belly button to knees. To make it clear, This is coming from a person who would not enforce my beliefs on anyone else, and supports trans rights because all humans deserve to do what they'd like as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.
Edited for grammar lol
I’m a woman who overheats really easily and I work at a bakery (my need for free good coffee overwhelmed my need for temperature stability when choosing a job), so I wear loose dark-colored linen shorts year round. They come to a couple of inches above my knees and I don’t think they could be considered sexy by anyone without a very specific fetish- I feel very much like a mailman wearing them (that’s intentional, I’m generally a pretty modest dresser).
One of our regular customers is an imam, and a lot of my coworkers are nominally Muslim, to the point that they feel weird/guilty when he comes in, but I was raised Catholic, so I don’t mind. He’s a good guy, and we chat sometimes, including about religious guidelines (I’m the kind of asshole who likes to have opinions about things in the Quran without being able to read Arabic, and he takes that about as well as a reform rabbi, plus I am delicate about how I phrase things).
Summer before last, I was in the middle of losing ten kilos because of the heat. I couldn’t keep meals down and basically only wanted to eat cucumbers and watermelon, but I still had to work. I asked him about what would happen to Muslims with my heat tolerance, and he laughed a little and said that it was like asking what happens to diabetics during Ramadan. Obviously there can be medical exceptions to all of the rules and anyone could see from several meters away that I was not handling the heat well.
I’ll grant you, this guy is a liberal imam living in Germany, but it is reasonable that a major world religion not adopt strict environmental regulations that endanger their believers.
That imam has got it right. Anyone who has a medical issue where they have to take something orally is exempt from fasting.
People overcomplicate things, when in reality it's all about doing what you can. Even for something that's forbidden like eating pork; if you're starving in the middle of a savanna and the only thing you can find to eat is a wild boar you managed to kill, go for it. Doing the basic survival thing always comes first.
I think... it took me a second... you're speaking as a religious scholar, not at all about how countries implement the rules, right? You're talking about your interpretation of the Quran, not what the Iranian government dictates, yeah?
Oh I'm speaking about interpretation on an individual level, which is honestly how it should be. Modern governments can't even follow their own rule book, so having them attempt to follow something else that they choose to interpret however they like is an issue itself
Yes, white reflects light so it stays cooler, but might possibly show some suggestion of human outline. Black absorbs light so it gets hotter. Add the exhaled humidity from covering her face.
At least there's probably a sea breeze.
Those are images of Tuaregs, the nomadic people living in the Sahara. You see only few wearing white garnments. The majority wears shades of blue or even black. I trust the people who actually live in the desert to know about how to deal with the sun and heat:



That's actually been debunked. The difference between black and white clothing is so negligible it's entirely unnoticeable. The structure of the clothing is far more important.
It has only been debunked for lose fitting clothing since there is airflow between the clothes and skin. It is not negligible for tight clothing.
This is correct and something I learned about recently. The style of a lot of middle eastern type clothing is all very loose and baggy for both men and women, because of that, the color of the clothing doesn't affect it's heat intake. It's thought that a lot of clothing styles came to be because of what was available to use to weave them. If I'm remembering correct, the desert areas had a lot of wool to work with. Wool is an insulator... So in order to wear it in that climate they wove it very loose with a lot of layers and baggyness. I'm not an expert on the matter though, so I might be mistaken
Yes, visible light.
White causes the non visible light to pass through, causing more heat underneath. Black absorbs the heat on the outside.
Ever wonder why motorcycle clothes are black too? That's why.
(I researched because I would've liked white clothes)
Black leathers don't show the tire dust and asphalt as much. White clothes are a bitch to keep clean.
Your skin touching the underside of the hot black fabric gets hot. You can do this yourself and feel it.
Fun for the whole family
It's her choice, by her own volition ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/... )
She can take it off whenever she wants to get stoned
Could be a jedi or Darth Vader himself, but the presence of sand makes the latter much less likely
Yeah but sand is rough and coarse and it gets everywhere
Nonsense. The population of Dagobah is 100% Jedi, and its a swamp.
This is an opinion. You're not allowed to have one and will be downvoted for it because the down-voters think doing it makes them a good person. /s
::clicks the downvote button::
"i'M hElPiNg!"
fReE PaLeNsTiNe! (Israel quakes)
i lol'd
Surprise, surprise. Irrational primates make irrational, inconsistent belief systems. Guarantee yours suck too.
mine is very simple. i use logic to improve the quality of life for all sentient creatures.
let me edit that before you try to come at me with some stupid 'gotcha':
use logic to produce beneficial outcomes for the largest number of sentient creatures.
Ask any religious person if their religion contributes to their quality of life. Gotcha
Damn man. I was with you until the whole “destroy itself” part. I just pray (lol) that they can be free of it all one of these days.
That all of us can.
nothing gets better until we purge
Oh, yeah. That’s works every time it’s ever happened. All the people responsible went down in history as amazing and the conflict ended and no one ever brought it up again.
Listen, maybe I think too highly of Lemmy, but you’re probably pretty smart if you’re here.
If we were to take all of the best people and drop them off on Mars tomorrow with all of the necessary equipment to survive and then cut off communication with the intention of going back in 200 years, we’d find a mess when we returned.
We’d find split factions, brand new religions, people fighting over what the folks who came before them did, and plenty more.
The solution is never to purge. That isn’t a permanent solution. It creates martyrs for the next generation. That’s all it does. It strengthens the resolve of the very thing you are fighting.
And then it just goes in a circle.
I’m not personally intelligent enough to begin to comprehend or provide the answers for our species, but I’m at least smart enough to look back at what hasn’t worked already and say, “Maybe let’s not do that again.”
All we’re doing with that kind of crap is kicking a nastier problem on down the road, and if the side you’re fighting wins, it will be your people’s turn to be purged.
show me a past example of a purge meant to build a better world for all of humanity and not a particular religion or nationality.
show me a point in the past where we had the tools to actually achieve a utopia.
That seems like an absurd reaction to a photograph of a family on the beach.
let the middle east destroy itself.
England is on track to fail far sooner than the UAE.
yes because the most money wins (never mind the horrific conditions for people in the UAE that are not the wealthy).
England has been the financial capital of the world for the last century. Why aren't they winning? Why is the country's poverty level skyrocketing while a few aristocratic elites soak up all the wealth and privilege?
Is it because the country became too Muslim?
i'm not british or muslim so i don't really give a fuck about whatever stupid point you're trying to make. it seems like you're trying to defend islam, so GFY.
Well two of them very notably don't do this, and hell even most Muslims don't do this. The burqa is only used by super conservative sects.
Yeah they put you in a mental prison instead of a physical one (burqa).
i'd love to do that, but i have to live under laws based on religious doctrine so GFY.
"bUt BrO, somE oF uS aRe ChIlL"
IGAF. your religion produces more suffering than good. get fucked. you're part of the problem whether you like it or not. ACAB.
but I'm not religious. talk about prejudice
Get rid of that hate bro... there isn't any from me, don't become the problem
There's also no need to write like an edgy teenager for comedic effect... we can talk like the adults I suppose we both are
if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
I always thought that a niqāb would be an excellent disguise to change into after fleeing a crime. If Luigi had done that in central park he would have been able to disappear no problem.
I mean he did do some great work on Civ 6, but he definitely isn't the same person that was caught on security cameras the day of the shooting, and if he was guilty then the police officer wouldn't have had to turn off their body cam while they planted the evidence in his bag.
Watch "The Battle for Algiers".
It works for a minute, but then the French military just start shooting everyone they see in a Nijab while insisting everyone is a potential terrorist.
I think I saw a stand of hair peeking out. Mohammad! Get the stones!
Watch out Mr. swimmer there's a ninja behind you, oh no he's playing with with his kid he can't hear
The ninja approached so silently that he still hasn't even noticed. You know the flips and parkour and shit like 10 seconds before this shot must have been so badass.
Islam - fun for the whole family!
Is this AI generated and posted by a bot to encourage anti-muslim messages? e.g. no footprints from the sandals to the water, or anywhere else on the sand...
It's at least 7 years old, so no.
Muslims are people, Islam is the religion. People are not the problem.
So it's the religion that abuses white people, not the people? Me confused, or you not big brain?
I would love for Americans to take even one tenth the hatred and derision they aim at Muslims and apply it to cops, a population with an astronomically higher rates of white people abuse.
Insulting the person you're talking to isn't very effective way to clear up that confusion. You have a nice day.
What confusion? My not big brain can't handle your facts.
Looks more like an observation of reality, and this was a pretty lame attempt to pivot to AI hate
My first thought is to add a foreboding scythe.
Secondly, that my significant other would actually love this arrangement, no kid, plenty of shade, don’t have to get in the water! We can’t judge the toxicity of a relationship based on a photo of their clothes. Hopefully she is cool with it
Yeah but which soul is the reaper going to take? The son, leaving the father blaming himself all his life? The father giving his life to save the children? Leaving the boy alone in a deserted beach? Both?
you ever heard of dunes?
Is this in France where Burkinis are banned?
You've got to be retarded an idiot not to want your woman in the water with you.
Just like when you're in a Muslim country and you see all those establishments where there's just a bunch of dudes drinking tea. Yeah super cool, not a woman in sight, you can only look at fat Ahmed and at Abdul's ugly face.
edit: yeah right, r word is bad, my mistake, apologies. If the rest offends you, maybe touch some grass.
Their problem was using stereotypical Arabic names instead of a slur. They should have just been true to their bigotry and said "ragheads."
If you're going to be racist, don't be a coward and pussyfoot around it: go full Himmler.
I want pretty girls as eyecandy I can jerk it to everywhere I go
She should be like those lefty heroines who get arrested naked by the police.
I looked at the title of this post and thought "this seems rather innocuous, let's click".
Then I noticed the black figure at the bottom. Ah, so this is what this shit is about.
Why do everyone on this site seem to be an angry sperg? If someone wants to be modest, why do you get your panties in a bunch?
Many do not want to be modest but have no leeway or option. They face opposition and harm because of this. Why get your panties in a twist and strike down a woman proud of their skin 🤷🤷🤷
Who knows thooo
People think differently. Just because you don't see yourself being content with wearing a full veil on a sunny beach does not mean that another woman can't be.
My point has fallen on deaf ears apparently
irreligious women who subject themselves to being groped naked by the police.
'Nough said. I understand the kind of individual you are now.
I gave you the other end of the extreme, where there is no attention paid to the woman's dignity.
The reason I brought this up was because it is something that I have seen be applauded. No one said, "hum, maybe we shouldn't let women be in a vulnerable position in front of tyrannical cops".
If you don't see an issue here, then you can't really claim to care about the dignity of women, and that says something about you.
But there is still pressure, otherwise a woman would not have been driven to go to the street to protest nude.
Iran is a low bar to set, I think we can agree there.
My critique was really against tossing modesty in the trash as if it's completely without value. A man being protective of his womenfolk is also seen as something bad, which is so irrational.
It shouldn't be seen as bad, it's just we should toss the genders out of the generalized statements. How about a woman being protective of the men in her life? Sounds just as good to me.
And to think that a lot of lefties don't want to see this bullshit banned.
What is this hypothetical argument exactly?
I think its something like:
"This image made me feel something and I need to automatically lash out at my preferred enemy for not feeling the same thing, regardless of what their actual opinion or feelings may or may not be."
Information is a helluva drug.
No no, I get it. They didn't clarify themselves completely. What they meant was that women should be banned from the beach and should stay at home./s
I can't really imagine what else it could mean as lefties supporting the oppression of women makes no sense at all. These freedoms are a big part of being left leaning and it is the right that puts these restrictions in place.
In bad lefty extremism, you are all equal under the foot of my boot. Your bones crush all the same. Lol Both extreme sides aren't great, one side is particularly more known for the sexism and gendered oppression than the other. Not that it can't happen.
I'll chock it up to not knowing what actually is going on in the world instead of pure malice. Knowing you are being lied to your whole life is hard to accept.
What is the confusion? The majority of opponents for Burqa bans in Europe are left wing parties, this is not even a controversial opinion is literally just facts.
Burqa bans come from separation of religion and state. This is Authoritarian vs Libertarian, not Left vs Right.
I'm still not sure what "this" is being banned.
Burqa bans come from separation of religion and state.
Not always. In some countries, it’s simply illegal to cover your face in public - that applies to balaclavas just as much as burqas.
Peak "making up a guy to get mad at"
thanks for using Leebra!
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Before reading the context I thought this was an AI generated photo of Darth Vader dreaming of the childhood he never had.
Somehow, the reality is sadder.
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