Could You Prove You’re a US Citizen?

a year ago by destructdisc to c/aboringdystopia

For Americans wrongfully detained by ICE, it can be nearly impossible to escape.
db0 78 points a year ago

You can tell the guards there that you’re a citizen, but they’ll likely respond with some version of “tell it to the judge.” Your immigration-court appearance could be weeks, or even months, away. You will wait behind bars. There’s no right to counsel in immigration court — if you can’t afford a lawyer, you’ll have to represent yourself. When you finally see the inside of a courtroom, it could be what ICE calls a “mass removal” hearing with dozens of other defendants. You won’t have a chance to talk to a judge.

Holy fucking shit. The injustice in this would cause me have a violent meltdown.

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TheFriar 15 points a year ago

“Would?” This is what’s happening.

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db0 6 points a year ago

I meant if I was the affected person

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flandish 7 points a year ago

then they’ll just say “see this is not how a true american acts this guy must be a terrorist.”

they gaslight in this way.

the trick is to protest, yell, scream, vote, email, etc NOW.

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db0 7 points a year ago

Ye obviously. Just saying that as an autistic person, having to directly face such injustice would probably get me shot.

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SnarkoPolo 49 points a year ago

No. I can't. And probably neither can most of us. That's part of the plan. Anybody among us could be disappeared into the gulags.

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workerONE 39 points a year ago

How can you do anything if you're detained by ICE? If you have your birth certificate or passport in a safety deposit box you can't access it when you are detained.

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aramis87 45 points a year ago

There was a guy who had his US passport card on him. ICE still detained him, claiming it was fake. And they're desperately trying to get rid of due process, so there's no opportunity to correct them.

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flandish 4 points a year ago

if they have done it to one person then they are not “trying” to get rid of due process, it’s already gone. :(

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SnarkoPolo 14 points a year ago

And if there's no more birthright citizenship, how will any of that help anyway?

At some point very soon, I see everyone having to appear before some official, fill out pages of forms, pay a fee, and take an oath in order to be registered as a citizen.

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Lv_InSaNe_vL 3 points a year ago

Only American citizens are able to hold a passport so that would be a way to prove it. In fact, for most people, your passport is easily the most valid form of government ID that you can get.

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flandish 2 points a year ago

unless it’s claimed to be a fake

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scroll_responsibly 0 points a year ago

Unless it’s taken or until it expires

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ayyy 6 points a year ago

Start shooting. You were already dead when they decided to target you.

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workerONE 3 points a year ago

Maybe without basic rights but not dead

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Witchfire 7 points a year ago

If you're getting sent to a concentration camp in El Salvador never to see your friends or family again, you're gonna wish you were dead

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RedditAdminsSuckIt 38 points a year ago

Can’t do any better than my birth certificate.

If that’s no good then no

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destructdisc 32 points a year ago path: 0 17448450 17448518, hotness: undefined, score: 32, children: 0
ayyy 11 points a year ago

That didn’t even work for a President.

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ArmoredThirteen 22 points a year ago

I have all my various types of IDs going back to high school. State, student, passports, two birth certs, name change paperwork, old and new social security card. I've got so many ways to prove my identity. They'd probably just steal my shit and lose it then say I must be lying

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13igTyme 12 points a year ago

They wouldn't even go that far. They'd just say it's all fake. No need to take it.

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Witchfire 7 points a year ago

They'd be suspicious of you having so many forms of ID, they'd call them fake and fist bump each other

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 22 points a year ago

Probably but that’s because I’m privileged to have a space secure enough to store the magic documents that mean I’m allowed to occupy the volume required for me.

Nations are dumb and imaginary.

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unmagical 17 points a year ago

And when ICE says your passport or birth certificate is fake and they confiscate it?

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 13 points a year ago

I’ll guess I’ll die.

Magic isn’t real and you shouldn’t expect it to protect you.

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 1 point a year ago
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__nobodynowhere 4 points a year ago

Do you carry those documents on you?! How are documents at your house going to help you if ICE grabs you off the street?!

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codexarcanum 22 points a year ago

There's only one form of ID ICE cares about:

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Waffle 2 points a year ago

I can't wait to get deported (I'm brown) while my son, who is white as fuck (but technically Latino) stays behind. 🫡

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ExLisper 12 points a year ago

I could pretend I like guns and don't know what a meter is. Would that be enough?

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A_norny_mousse 5 points a year ago

You mean like a parking meter?

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AA5B 11 points a year ago

Depends on how much due process they’re willing to allow.

I’m very white, so that’s something.

I almost always have my drivers license on me, that should be worth something. However I’m pretty sure my state gives out licenses regardless of immigration status. Also, while I paid for RealID, I didn’t get it

In case due process and constitutional rights were allowed, I have a passport and may be able to dig up a birth certificate. You can’t really do any better although I believe they’re already ignoring that

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lunarul 9 points a year ago path: 0 17464535 17465755, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 1
AA5B 1 point a year ago

Seems like fairly established case law that you can film police and they can’t just call that “interference”. I hope he has a successful lawsuit.

More importantly for me

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LovableSidekick 9 points a year ago

Presumably yes, birth certificate. But based on news of citizens being wrongfully deported I honestly don't know what kind of proof ICE demands.

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Jumi 9 points a year ago

Nein

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DasFaultier 6 points a year ago

Auch nein.

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Mariemarion 1 point a year ago

Moi, non.

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snugglesthefalse 7 points a year ago

Probably not without a ton of money and the willingness to pretend to be one...

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Evotech 7 points a year ago

Nah, I don’t even live there

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cupcakezealot 7 points a year ago

yeah but why would you want to? talk about embarassing

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Witchfire 2 points a year ago

Now that I'm no longer in the US, I'm so glad I can claim heritage to a third country (I was born there). I will never ever introduce myself as an American. If anything I refer to the state I came from since there is a lot of good there, but fascism is trying to drown it.

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LovableSidekick 1 point a year ago

no kidding

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NarrativeBear 4 points a year ago

Could you really prove anything, reality is relative and all.

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BarneyPiccolo 3 points a year ago

I've needed to email my birth certificate a few times, so I could probably find it in my emails.

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SaharaMaleikuhm 2 points a year ago

Thankfully not.

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Sir_Premiumhengst 2 points a year ago

Squirrel

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Alexstarfire 1 point a year ago

I'd rather tell them to get fucked. Though, not sure if have the stones.

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Aussiemandeus 1 point a year ago

No

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rottingleaf -10 points a year ago

I don't see posts with apologies to sovcits for ridiculing them. Not the part about somehow proving you don't owe money, but the anti-centralist parts.

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flandish 3 points a year ago

what is a sovcit? anti-centralist? put down the drugs and ramble less.

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