WtfEvenIsExistence 130 points 3 years ago

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edoorklep 28 points 3 years ago

Got it in the Netherlands a few days ago. With ublock origin on Firefox. So I switched to freetube with the subscriptions I actually watch.

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nicetriangle 6 points 3 years ago

I am also in the Netherlands using uBlock Origin and Firefox and am not getting it. So my best guess is they're doing A/B testing and people are being randomly selected to see how they'll respond to something like this.

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jet 5 points 3 years ago

I've been using free tube but lately it's been running pretty poorly. Which insidious instance do you use?

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edoorklep 4 points 3 years ago

I didn't change any settings so its randomizing the instance. For now that seems to work fine.

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ThirdNerd 2 points 3 years ago

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TheInsane42 2 points 3 years ago

Haven't seen it here yet, same country, Vivaldi and uBlock.

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Draghetta 17 points 3 years ago

Browser and plugins don’t matter, this is being rolled out in waves. People are getting this on all browsers, with or without ad blockers

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WtfEvenIsExistence 30 points 3 years ago

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N4CHEM 26 points 3 years ago

It doesn't have to be. This could be how YouTube dies.

Websites are nothing without users. We have the power to stop using websites that pull this shit and promote new websites that don't.

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WtfEvenIsExistence 20 points 3 years ago

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Maticzpl 17 points 3 years ago

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amio 15 points 3 years ago

Cynically, it won't kill youtube, either. There are no alternatives. They have a lot of leverage to shittify it.

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jungekatz 16 points 3 years ago

Same , but not in the USA , I havent seen them yet

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aeternum 107 points 3 years ago

i'd rather not use youtube than watch ads.

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eek2121 14 points 3 years ago

Thankfully that isn’t a choice you have to make, and thanks to open source, you will ever need to make.

The only trick Google has up their sleeve is their web integrity work. Even then, there will be workarounds.

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Thorny_Thicket 64 points 3 years ago

I'm not sure if this works anymore but I saved this message a while back. If you get this pop-up then put this into your adblock custom rules and it should sort it out:

youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false)

youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0)

youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, [])

youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)

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SnowdenHeroOfOurTime 6 points 3 years ago

You're an angel. This is for ublock origin?

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Thorny_Thicket 6 points 3 years ago

I believe it should work with any adblocker that lets you set custom rules but since adblocking still works for me I haven't tried this myself. Saved it from reddit like 3 months ago so I hope it's still relevant

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Konlanx 44 points 3 years ago

I have been adblocking on YouTube for as long as I remember. Personally I think it's unusable without an adblocker. What's the alternative? Because I am not suddenly going to pay for a platform that keeps getting worse all the time.

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Thorny_Thicket 16 points 3 years ago

When ever I see someone using YouTube without an adblocker it looks like some cheap chinese knock-off or something. As someone who sees less ads than 99% of people I've genuinely became a bit oversensitive to them. Podcasts are the only thing I keep paying attention to despite them having ads which even then I always skip over. Other than that every online platform I use is ad-free and I don't watch TV or listen to radio either.

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Konlanx 17 points 3 years ago

I like to listen to podcasts in the gym and I will interrupt my set to skip sponsors and ads. The enshittification on Spotify is particularly bad as they now play ads in addition to sponsorings for premium listeners.

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Thorny_Thicket 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah I don't personally use spotify for podcasts even though I have premium aswell. Except for the occasional JRE episode I listen everything else on Podcast Republic.

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Konlanx 15 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the tip, I will try that one out!

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dept 8 points 3 years ago

bilibili, an actual chinese knockoff has less ads

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TheProtagonist 0 points 3 years ago

You’d rather watch some chinese stuff than ads?

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TheProtagonist 0 points 3 years ago

You’d rather watch some chinese stuff than ads?

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somedaysoon 2 points 3 years ago

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SamboT 2 points 3 years ago

There is peertube. I'm not familiar with its limitations. Technically it is possible for someone to try and track your activity because it's P2P.

The content is currently lacking. I'm kind of wondering what limitations are in place for each user to upload video. Can someone make a bot to start reuploading content from their favorite streamers?

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Landrin201 2 points 3 years ago

And unfortunately IDK of any alternatives to YouTube. A big part of the problem is that some of my favorite creators only upload to YouTube. I don't want to switch to an alternative and lose a large percentage of the content that I like to watch, that would be pretty shitty.

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Synthead 38 points 3 years ago

This message is displayed in the browser because Google asked your browser to do it, and your browser got the message and put it there.

When displaying ads, the end user experience is 100% client-side. You are using your screen and speakers to observe it. You can turn off your speakers and screen if you want, which will effectively "block" the ad.

But that is silly. Not only do you own your screen and speakers, but you have control of what you're browser is doing, too (if you use a respectable browser). When HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and other content is downloaded, just that happened: file downloads. After it has been downloaded, your browser then consumes it.

When it is consumed, a lot happens, but ultimately, the code in the browser displays content. Your (respectable) browser does all of this, and will change the look depending on local fonts, accessibility options, etc. With an ad block add-on, it will also remove these ads.

However, when ads are removed, the DOM is mutated with deleted or replaced content. It is possible for a website to then write ad block detection scripts to see if the ad contents have been removed or not. There are many ways to do this, and this screenshot is the result of one way of doing it.

However, enter the cat-and-mouse-chase of ad block block blocks. You can block your ads, then block the ad block block like this screenshot. These types of ad block rules are less common, but many public ones are available. Check the uBlock Origin lists in the setting page. By default, only about a third of the lists are enabled, and these extra blocks are in there.

Another avenue of determining that ads were not loaded is for the server to inspect if client-side (you) requests were made to fetch the ads. Even if this is in place, the server cannot determine if you have actually watched the ad or not. It could try to do more client-side attempts at validating that you somehow displayed it, but again, that's client-side.

Imagine if you were sent a letter and a pamphlet in the mail. Imagine if the letter said that you could mail them back for a free sample of their product, but only if you read the pamphlet. They would have to trust that you read it, because you are reading your mail in the privacy of your own home. However, you could opt to toss the pamphlet (like an ad blocker) and never read it. It's your mail, your home, and your choice.

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Maticzpl 15 points 3 years ago

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grue 19 points 3 years ago

The worst case scenario is that they only serve video to logged-in users, require accounts to be verified with government-issued ID, and enforce the whole thing with the web browser DRM they just proposed.

Make no mistake: this is a war on the public's property rights and their right not to have ads inflicted on them Clockwork Orange-style. It can get a lot worse than you think, and will unless we force the government to stop them legislatively.

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TheFogan 1 point 3 years ago

Honestly I can't fathom this concept. Youtube isn't a right. It's an optional service. Why aren't we all up in arms about the 5,000 porn sites that have paywalled their services for years? IMO the response to "youtube won't let users use the site without ads" should be "lets help peer tube be more succesful" Just as we are here rather than trying to make a law to get reddit to open up their API for free.

I don't like youtube. But I don't think it's fair or viable to mandate them allow their content for free without ads. That's a bit like mandating hotels give rooms for free. Hosting videos costs a non zero amount of money. Google intends to make more money from advertisements then they spend on hosting videos.

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grue 4 points 3 years ago

Honestly I can’t fathom this concept. Youtube isn’t a right.

You know what is a right? Your property right to control the operation of your computer. Google is, as we speak, trying to violate that right by colonizing it with DRM and subverting your property to serve their own ends instead of yours.

Google has the right to serve a 403 error to anybody who refuses to pay, but they do not have the right to usurp control of people's property to forcibly display ads. And make no mistake, it's very much the latter that they (and all the other companies) are trying to do, as evidenced by things like this.

Do you "fathom" it now? How much clearer do I need to make it?

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chepox 2 points 3 years ago

Really well explained. Thanks

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Kuro 32 points 3 years ago

It will be yet another endless cat and mouse game

There are smart people out there that will always find ways around this

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anarchyrabbit 3 points 3 years ago

I would love to know what the benefit is. I would think that a very minimal amount of users use adblockers. Maybe I'm wrong but their investment into these things must be substantial.

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Kuro 4 points 3 years ago

The answer is always money

How much money? Yes

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anarchyrabbit 1 point 3 years ago

True story

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Trihilis 3 points 3 years ago

At this point I feel like Google wants to Intentionally kill off YouTube so they don't have to bear the cost anymore. Just another one for the Google graveyard.

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jws_shadotak 29 points 3 years ago

Is "allowlist" the new word for whitelist?

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TheEntity 20 points 3 years ago

Not really new, it's been around for about a decade. Otherwise: yes.

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xigoi 16 points 3 years ago

Some people mistakenly think that the “black” in “blacklist” is a reference to skin color, so they demand it to be changed.

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Pumpkinbot 2 points 3 years ago

"Excuse me, it's 'list of color'."

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JDubbleu -16 points 3 years ago

I'm honestly glad we're getting rid of white/black list. I personally couldn't give a shit the racial element (which wasn't what they ever meant anyway), but I never have to stop and think about it for a half second to figure out which I need. Allow/deny list are just outright better names.

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Thorny_Thicket 6 points 3 years ago

Blacklist and whitelist are intuitive to me. It's the black/red/white -pill stuff I never even try to remember

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JDubbleu 1 point 3 years ago

I've dealt with them a lot but they never really stuck for some reason. Allow/block is much clearer IMO

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Dmian 20 points 3 years ago

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ObviouslyNotBanana 7 points 3 years ago

Reasons of adware

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amio 3 points 3 years ago

Reasons: "we don't like it when you try to slightly moderate our torrents of spam"

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Charliebeans 16 points 3 years ago

Seems like it's controlled test in different countries and segments. I (Europe) get this popup in Firefox, I also use pi-hole DNS and ublock origin.

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yata 3 points 3 years ago

Also Europe here, using ublock and firefox, and I don't get that popup.

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toastus 2 points 3 years ago

Dies your PiHole block Youtube ads?

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Manzas 12 points 3 years ago

It doesn't because it can't the ads and videos are on the same domain now

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toastus 4 points 3 years ago

Thanks, I thought so.

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Charliebeans 11 points 3 years ago

It does not. It can only block domains. Youtube ads use same domain as actual videos.

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toastus 4 points 3 years ago

Thanks, I thought so.

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fsxylo 15 points 3 years ago

I'll fucking use Vimeo if I have to.

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hunt4peas 15 points 3 years ago

Which adblocker are you using? I am using Ublock Origins, Sponsorblock, RYD and Enhancer for YouTube. I will check later if I get the same message or not.

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CookieJarObserver 13 points 3 years ago

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jet 12 points 3 years ago

As long as we have the physical capability of pointing a camera at a display, people will control what they see. Worst case scenario in these browser wars, you run Chrome on a Google certified device then stream the output of that device to the computer you're actually using, using various filters and vision recognition removing the advertisement from your video stream.

This is extreme, it's a little crazy, but I think everyone can agree it's technically feasible. This means we will always have the edge in the browser wars. If we control the display, we control the flow.

Everything else is just an optimization

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penguin 8 points 3 years ago

It's fundamentally impossible to grant read access without copy. And you can always do whatever you want to your copy.

Otherwise, piracy wouldn't be a thing.

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jet 4 points 3 years ago

Im skipping a few steps. Down then road when they have WEI or something like it, they will only show videos in a secure environment... i.e. where the entire hardware chain has key attestation it hasn't been modified. In that dark future, we can still do everything through optics.

I agree with you, if they send you data, no matter how its wrapped, its your data to do with as you wish.

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penguin 2 points 3 years ago

I was trying to agree with you overall in my first comment. That no matter what they try to do, there will be a way around it. Even if it's as extreme as using a camera to make the copy.

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elvith 2 points 3 years ago

Even then... I have a small USB stick that has a HDMI port and support HDCP. Which means it will capture any HDMI output unencrypted. It was like... 20 bucks on Ali Express. Since it counts as a valid HDCP sink, WEI can only attest that all components up to the "monitor" support copy protection. But it can't see or attest, that I can just capture the data unencrypted anyways.

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scrubbles 1 point 3 years ago

At some point in the chain it has to be uncompressed, and even though they have teams at Google try to get that down to the last step, someone is always going to figure out how to step in between and grab that stream

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ultratiem 6 points 3 years ago

I ain’t doing all that for a video. Better option would be to ditch YT or get governments and regulators to step in and put a stop to this predator nonsense.

Sorry tech companies, you have no right to control such things. I’ll be damned if a company can tell me what application I can and cannot use. Let alone what browser I can ingest the internet with.

This is no different than the browser wars of 2000.

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Arghblarg 8 points 3 years ago

What country are you in? I wonder if they're rolling it out to smaller markets to see how much backlash they get.

Time to get a federated video hosting service scaled up ASAP. But who could afford the bandwidth and storage? We need a stable torrent-based streaming solution I suppose.

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eek2121 2 points 3 years ago

It really isn’t. I can get a gigabit pipe and all the storage i can cram into a 4U for a few hundred a month. That is enough to serve several dozen users. Add on a CDN and now you can serve thousands or more. I can probably find 10 or 100 gigabit offerings for not much more.

The bigger issue is copyright. A site that gains traction in the video space by ripping youtube videos would get sued into oblivion.

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AsRedAsMonkeysAss 8 points 3 years ago

Is NewPipe app users safe

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gamey 4 points 3 years ago

If Google doesn't find a way to end it, they continue to break third party frontends in waves but the community will certainly fight them as long as possible so I doubt that it's going to happen soon, Nitter is back online too and Libreddit is on it's way to be so it's not that easy!

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KrisND 3 points 3 years ago

I've been using it for awhile and love it! Highly recommended!

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Anti_Weeb_Penguin 7 points 3 years ago

I never got this pop up (i use Firefox + Ublock)

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altima_neo 8 points 3 years ago

It's not fully rolled out yet.

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striderk -1 points 3 years ago

Does that mean Firefox + Ublock Origin is blocked too?

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altima_neo 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah

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jon 6 points 3 years ago

Looks like I'm about to switch fully to YT-DL/Plex for the subscriptions I care about. Should be good until they start embedding ads into the video files anyway.

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TCB13 6 points 3 years ago

Have you notice that lately if you're the history feature disabled it will refuse to show suggested videos? In the past you would still get suggested videos even with the view history disabled.

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venoft 14 points 3 years ago

Same with google maps. With no 'web and search history' enabled the local searches I did on my local device won't be remembered. So every time you'd need to fill in the entire address. That's just bullying you into accepting their tracking.

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TCB13 1 point 3 years ago

Yes, makes me remember when they wouldn't allow you to save locations on the map without logging in.

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dingus 1 point 3 years ago

How would it be suggesting videos for you if it didn't know what you were warching? It probably still recorded your history then even if you requested that it didn't.

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TCB13 2 points 3 years ago

Yes but they did it in the past. So... they actually always knew / recorded your history.

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mbi 6 points 3 years ago

Is this real? The post title seems to imply it's something that might happen in the future?

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aeternum -6 points 3 years ago

look into Web Environment Integrity. This particular screenshot is probably fake, but it's coming very soon.

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Bjaldr 14 points 3 years ago

No, the screenshot is real, they've been testing it in selected regions for a little bit

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SpaceCadet 10 points 3 years ago

This has nothing to do with WEI. Google can do more than one shitty thing at once you know.

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theKalash -1 points 3 years ago

This has nothing to do with WEI

This has everything to do with WEI ... what are you taking about?

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SpaceCadet 2 points 3 years ago

WEI is a proposed modification to Chrome/Chromium that doesn't even exist yet, and that would have the side effect of blocking adblockers on every site that implements WEI.

This here is an already existing change to the YouTube service that blocks adblockers on YouTube, across all browsers, Firefox included. It does not use or need WEI to do this.

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TheProtagonist 5 points 3 years ago

Invidious / piped.video is the way (as long as it continues to work)!

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radioactiveradio 4 points 3 years ago

Can you filter pick it out? Like using the eye dropper thingy?

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lowleveldata 2 points 3 years ago

How does YouTube know whether I'm blocking or not if it all happens at the client side?

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notabot 4 points 3 years ago

They make a test request from the client and check it's received on the server end and returns what they expect on the client end at a guess. Basically they try to load an ad and if they don't see the request on the server, or the client doesn't get the sort of data it expects, it assumes you're ad blocking.

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lowleveldata 3 points 3 years ago

What if we allow the request but then just discard the response?

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notabot 1 point 3 years ago

The client side code probably expects to see and use the data, although I could be wrong on that. Some ad block do work like that though, I think.I find just deliberately taking a 30 second break to be the easiest ad block, and it's better for you too.

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Tuss 4 points 3 years ago

The problem for me is when I use youtube videos to fall asleep and adblocks doesn't work.

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skullgiver 1 point 3 years ago

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lowleveldata 1 point 3 years ago

Put a few blocks of information encoded in the video of the ad itself. Require that block of information as a key to watch the next video on Youtube.

Interesting. But it probably only takes less than a few seconds for a program to scan a 30s video file and extract that bit of information.

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skullgiver 1 point 3 years ago

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papabobolious 1 point 3 years ago

Using ublock to block these notifications is a great feeling

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Draghetta 5 points 3 years ago

Enjoy it then because ublock does nothing against this at the moment. If you don’t have it it’s because you’re not in the first waves.

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dylanTheDeveloper 1 point 3 years ago

Why does this sound like a threat

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quinnly 1 point 3 years ago

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CapnMoisesBKind 1 point 3 years ago

Oh that’s sad.

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dylanTheDeveloper 1 point 3 years ago

Well they can block Deez nutz

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HikuNoir 1 point 3 years ago

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Tuss 5 points 3 years ago

I used NewPipe only yesterday with no problem.

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phi1997 2 points 3 years ago

If you installed it through Fdroid and you aren't using Newpipe'sown repository, you're probably using an outdated version

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HikuNoir 2 points 3 years ago

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jet 2 points 3 years ago

There was a recent update to new pipe, make sure you're running the latest code

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Ninth3891 1 point 3 years ago

@HikuNoir Newpipe has been reported to be blocked by google.

@fne8w2ah

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Thorned_Rose 3 points 3 years ago

I just tried it now and it works fine. Tried a video posted 2 weeks ago and a video posted 5 hours ago. Both played just fine 🤷🏻‍♀️

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nicetriangle 2 points 3 years ago

They may be doing this in some countries and not others or just A/B testing users based on some random allocation of accounts.

I would not be surprised if Google wants to understand how effective something like this is in terms of getting people to disable adblock vs them just being like "welp fuck YouTube I guess." So would make a lot of sense to A/B test this rather than roll it out across the board.

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Thorned_Rose 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah, I subsequently learned it may be rolling out in different countries. I meant to update my comment as such but forgot :/ FYI: In case anyone's interested, I'm in New Zealand.

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ch4rlie -6 points 3 years ago

chuckles in Firefox

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Charliebeans 11 points 3 years ago

Firefox is not immune to this. I get this popup in FF as well, I also use pi-hole DNS and ublock origin.

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ch4rlie 6 points 3 years ago

Oop. Chortles in revanced

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Silviecat44 -8 points 3 years ago

You probably pay spotify premium

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ObviouslyNotBanana -9 points 3 years ago

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Evirisu 2 points 3 years ago

Even if the experience is fantastic, I don't like when a company tries to force me to buy premium, so if it's the only way I'll search for another platform

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gentooer -16 points 3 years ago

That looks illegal

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sebinspace 27 points 3 years ago

I’m almost afraid to ask but.. how?

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gentooer 2 points 3 years ago

Nevermind, it was a legal gray area in the EU for some time, but now it's legal