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3 years ago by neutralbipolar2 to c/lemmyshitpost

Pilkins 108 points 3 years ago

There's a book called How to Invent Everything: A Survival Guide for the Stranded Time Traveler that covers this stuff. Don't think it's comprehensive enough to actually invent everything from scratch, but still a fun read.

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chetradley 25 points 3 years ago

By Ryan North, the author of Dinosaur Comics! He based the book on a time travel survival guide he published and made into a T-shirt.

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orphiebaby 1 point 3 years ago

Just finished it. Thank you!

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FauxPseudo 68 points 3 years ago

Skip electricity. That doesn't matter until you can make reliable turbines with copper and magnets. Go to steam power first. It can move things. Which will speed up delivery of copper and magnets. But also teach them to plant trees. Every tree removed to smelt and power a steam engine needs to have three more planted. You could start greening the Sahara before umit even starts collapsing. "he sure had this steam thing figured out. I guess we will forgive him for all these useless trees".

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EddoWagt 21 points 3 years ago

A great master plan to prevent climate change, although the industrial revolution will start 2000 years earlier, so I'm not sure it matters

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FauxPseudo 9 points 3 years ago

The sooner it starts the sooner I can get back. :)

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ramblechat 15 points 3 years ago

I read they knew about steam power for a long time but couldn't make the engines / containers / doohickies strong enough to contain the pressure.

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Zoboomafoo 12 points 3 years ago

That's true, it was cannon technology that allowed steam engines to be created

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Empricorn 1 point 3 years ago
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MonkderZweite 11 points 3 years ago

Yes, electricity would be magic for medieval (and prior) people. Spells trouble for you.

But no, Steam... the principle was known and seldom used by ancient greeces and egypts already, but they couldn't really utilize it, because metallurgy wasn't there yet.

And Sahara was almost green 1000+ years ago, lots of oases.

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GCostanzaStepOnMe 9 points 3 years ago

What is the 'Carnot cycle'? - I don't know

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msage 5 points 3 years ago

Is there a guide for DIY steam engines?

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FauxPseudo 12 points 3 years ago

Boil water in a closed system that uses steam to move a paddle on the inside that is on the same shaft as a wheel on the outside. That's the basics. Everything else is just variations on the theme. The higher the pressure the faster it goes and more torque you get.

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FauxPseudo 7 points 3 years ago

I guess I forgot to mention that once the steam moves the paddle the steam needs a place to cook down and go back into the boiler.

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raspberriesareyummy 8 points 3 years ago

Nah, for a first step implementation in stationary applications, you can have a steam machine run an open circuit. Steam expands, performs work, exits through a valve. Just keep the water tank filled. Less efficient, but it would work. The return loop is an optimization for the next stage :)

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MoodyRaincloud 4 points 3 years ago

For better efficiency the steam should be used twice, in a high pressure circuit first and on its way back to the boiler through a low pressure circuit.

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jormaig 3 points 3 years ago

I like my steam very well cooked. I let It cook down for a couple of hours.

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Metatronz 3 points 3 years ago

Pop Pop boats are really simple steam engine systems.

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jarfil 2 points 3 years ago

Go to steam power first. It can move things

They had steam power over 2000 years ago, they used it in temples and as toys to amuse the rich.

Slaves could move things, and were much cheaper.

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LufyCZ 3 points 3 years ago

They might have had it, but they didn't use it right

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jarfil 1 point 3 years ago

They had no incentive to use it any better.

Without a printing press, which would increase the levels of literacy, and allow sharing knowledge orders of magnitude faster, there was no indication that a kettle could ever outperform a hundred men or a few dozen horses.

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LufyCZ 1 point 3 years ago

It's a loop - they didn't use it right, so it sucked, which is why they didn't try to make it better = they didn't use it right.

With the right knowledge, they might've just made proper use of it

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Illegal_Prime 1 point 3 years ago

The problem with this is that you assume that wood is the best fuel source for steam. Very quickly you would realize that coal is far more energy dense than just about anything except nuclear fission. Planting trees is still a good idea though, but wood as fuel is utter shite on any large application.

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FauxPseudo 1 point 3 years ago

When starting out you don't need the most efficient. You need what's available. And I'd rather not reinvent coal mining and whaling.

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db2 55 points 3 years ago

Electricity is easy to make though... a couple magnets and some copper wire.

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Transform2942 141 points 3 years ago

Easy materials to get from your local 1st century hardware store

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tallwookie 25 points 3 years ago

they'd probably have non-shitty copper by then, but magnets? thems witchcraft

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PancakeLegend 30 points 3 years ago

And don't forget that you need to demonstrate that it's producing a current. Just get a light bulb, right??

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tallwookie 7 points 3 years ago

probably go with a hand-crank zapper or something. it's tricky to do much without resistors and capacitors.

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Damage 5 points 3 years ago

If you can make a generator you can make a motor, just connect them together and have one move when you spin the other

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Double_A 1 point 3 years ago

Plating a metal object with a different metal would probably be the simplest, impressive thing. Or just heating a thin wire?

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kmkz_ninja 20 points 3 years ago

Depends on if Ea-nasir was still in business.

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preciouspupp 6 points 3 years ago

Most people dont even know how to make wires.

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tallwookie 5 points 3 years ago

really? isnt it just forcing/extruding hot metal through a die?

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frostwhitewolf 4 points 3 years ago

Probably easier to use a lemon and copper plates. Not sure what you'd connect to it though

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Swedneck 1 point 3 years ago

Use it for electroplating/etching, that's cool as shit

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Swedneck 2 points 3 years ago

lodestones lol, people have known about those for aaaaaaaaaages

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captainlezbian 7 points 3 years ago

Copper wire: yes. Magnets, get lodestones

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pinkdrunkenelephants 5 points 3 years ago
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SineNomineAnonymous 17 points 3 years ago
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Tavarin 1 point 3 years ago

Bring a live translation device, and program it with whatever the expected language is. That alone would be magic to them. And you don;t need to go to a copper mine, there were markets for processed copper. Pulling it into wire is just a case of roughly forming it into a cylinder, then pulling that cylinder through successively smaller holes. A local smith could help you with that.

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pinkdrunkenelephants -1 points 3 years ago
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SineNomineAnonymous 28 points 3 years ago
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db2 -12 points 3 years ago

You can induce voltage on more than just copper you know. Or maybe you don't know. You probably don't know.

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cogman 14 points 3 years ago

Ever wonder why it goes bronze age and then iron age? It's because it's a minor miracle humanity discovered how to smelt iron. Iron requires temperatures higher than you can achieve with just wood. Iron absorbs carbon and sulfur making it worthless (in the wrong mixtures).

The process is complex and resource intensive.

Assuming a bronze age civilization, copper or tin is the best you can hope for. Finding a magnet is going to be difficult because there's not really ferromagnetic materials available. In the modern era the most common material is iron.

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SineNomineAnonymous 1 point 3 years ago
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Anticorp 8 points 3 years ago

Magnets, how do they work?

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neuracnu 52 points 3 years ago

Pretty much everyone in this thread needs to go read Ryan North's book "How to Invent Everything: A Survival Guide for the Stranded Time Traveler".

https://www.amazon.com/...

Or, if you don't have time, just print this out and keep it with you at all times:

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howsetheraven 4 points 3 years ago

"Wrap some copper wire around a core"

Mr. Stegosaurus, please point out the nearest refinery so I can grab some copper wire.

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llii 4 points 3 years ago

I don't know if this helps. It's enough to know you're fucked.

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marmo7ade 3 points 3 years ago
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30isthenew29 3 points 3 years ago

I find this to be brilliant.

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sumofchemicals 1 point 3 years ago

I've been meaning to buy this! Does he have a section on how to handle no one speaking your language?

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Excrubulent 1 point 3 years ago

My biggest issue with this is the flight part - it's a counterintuitive explanation that doesn't really explain how to make the flight work. It's not technically wrong, and if you trace that cross-section you will get a working aerofoil. However, you can't make the Wright Flyer on that explanation, or in fact any of the early aeroplanes that were constructed with simple fabric stretched between wooden frames.

A far more useful and intuitive explanation is that planes fly by flow-turning, basically the interaction between the aerofoil and the air turns the air in one direction, usually down, which pushes the aerofoil in the other direction, usually up. This also means the air below will end up slower than the air on top, which will create a pressure differential. Either of these methods can completely describe how flight works.

Also, a plane isn't just two aerofoils attached to a central body. Early planes were at least biplanes, and you need horizontal and vertical stabilisers to have full control. You need flaps that give you pitch, yaw and roll, and you need the centre-of-mass - the point where it balances - to be in front of the centre of pressure. That means you need the stabilisers to be at the back to keep the plane stable like a dart.

This isn't just a "well akshually", although it sort of is. If you tried to follow the advice as-written and didn't know this, there's a good chance you'd end up on the long list of people killed by their own inventions. Actually, I suspect most of these explanations give you plenty of information to kill yourself with but not really enough to actually make any of them work from first principles.

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FlyingSquid 50 points 3 years ago

I read a sci-fi short story about that once. A scientist brings back a guy from the future, but the guy either can't explain how things work or does so using a vocabulary the scientist doesn't understand.

It was like:

"How do you make a teleporter?"

"Well you take a zargnix and put it on top of a floon."

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ramblechat 31 points 3 years ago

Actually the floon goes inside the zargnix. Duh.

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FlyingSquid 12 points 3 years ago

Aren't you thinking of the floov compensation harpon? People typically get them confused.

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phorq 8 points 3 years ago

Nah, it's floon, the "n" stands for non-"v" which is definitely what you want if you wanna know where you're teleporting too...

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FlyingSquid 8 points 3 years ago

Oh sure, if you have one of those carglaian models. But only a total marspopple would have one of those.

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dzervas 5 points 3 years ago

where did read it? do you have a link?

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FlyingSquid 5 points 3 years ago

Years and years ago in some anthology or other. Sci-fi short stories are my favorite literary medium, so I've read far more than I could count. I wish I could tell you the name or the author.

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atlasraven31 35 points 3 years ago

Me: The opposite of B, the opposite of B, plus or minus a square root...

Them: What does that mean?

Me: I have no idea.

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pinkdrunkenelephants 11 points 3 years ago
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CthulhuOnIce 33 points 3 years ago

I feel like you could still give science a head start by giving them rough ideas of how things work, like penicillin and steam power and whatnot

Even if you don't know all the ins and puts you can give them something to go off of to develop the technology faster

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dx1 24 points 3 years ago

If you couldn't prove it, things probably wouldn't go well for you.

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Hallainzil 10 points 3 years ago

Even if you could prove it, it would still go badly in a lot of places in a lot of times.

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crimroy 12 points 3 years ago

What do you mean by that? You sound a lot like a witch

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Crashumbc 8 points 3 years ago

Always as been

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Intralexical 7 points 3 years ago

"Science" ≠ Technology!

If you give them the technology without giving them stuff like empiricism and cultural acceptance of critical thinking, they'll just worship it like any other faith, and stagnate for the next thousand years.

Inversely, you don't even need to give them too much technology, because if you just give them stuff like evidence-based medicine, the printing press, rigorous experimentation and reproducibility, and a couple institutes dedicated to the craft, plus a couple starting points, then they'll figure it on their own soon enough (assuming an overall stable civilization).

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frezik 4 points 3 years ago

Most likely, people would consider you to be another wacko shouting at passersby.

Or even more likely, you drink some stanky water that your body doesn't know how to deal with and die within the first week.

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Intralexical 1 point 3 years ago

Show, don't tell. And get your shots before you go.

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soran0allsmark 3 points 3 years ago

Ayyyyy gotta love some quick typing typos lol

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gatton 31 points 3 years ago

This reminds me of Dara O'Briain's bit about going back in time and thinking you'll impress the greatest minds in history with your future knowledge but it falls apart quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVxOb8-d7Ic

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Blasphemy 30 points 3 years ago

I think it would actually be easier to wow people than people think. You'd just have to focus on older technology rather than completely modern stuff. If you know that steam engines are a thing, and even vaguely how they work, you can build the king a pump to get running water without having to run massive aqueducts, or a crane to build his massive projects, or any number of directly useful things. An understanding of basic germ theory could set you up to be the best doctor in the world. Or even just a bicycle would probably be quite useful to get around without a horse, and I'm sure anyone could make a rough mockup of a bike.

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MotoAsh 50 points 3 years ago
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KevonLooney 31 points 3 years ago

Yeah, even electricity is easy to explain. You just rotate a high quality magnet within a coil of thin high quality copper wire. Easy.

Problems are:

  • How do you make a high quality magnet?
  • How do you purify copper fine enough?
  • How do you make a spool of the copper wire?
  • How do you make the bearings for the shaft?
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5714 6 points 3 years ago

Nah, problems arise much earlier. Metals are expensive (proper steel is a thing of the 1700s, try getting proper coke) and your claims might be considered too outlandish for funding of home industrialisation, even making the needed tools might take ages.

Depending on when you are, science might even be considered evil, useless, unless you have very clear, direct and easy use cases (e.g. horse collar, compass, wheelbarrow).

Interesting could be the printing press for problem solving.

Proving electricity is easy, since even static electricity is relatively unexplained for a long time. You already know that metals are great conductors, hell, even what conductance roughly is. You know lead acid batteries. Simple conceptual motor and lead acid batteries together with printing press is probably enough to industrialise many societies early.

Don't know to get acid though.

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Blasphemy 2 points 3 years ago

Actually, I think you just got what you should make first - a simple Gutenberg press. You could probably make it all the way back in the Bronze age, using copper or brass for the stamps and the rest is just wood and rope. You'd just need a basic knowledge of levers and screws, and suddenly you have (relatively) mass-production media.

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pigup 2 points 3 years ago

Concentrate citrus fruit juice

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linearchaos 4 points 3 years ago

Efficiency would certainly be pretty rough but wire's been around since about 2,800 BC. Copper would be the way to go if you could manage it but any conductive metal would get the job done to some extent.

Finding a reasonable safe insulator might be a little bit of a chore.

Soft metal bushings have also been around for a really long time.

Efficiency on magnets would be difficult, You might want to just use a really huge battery pile and electromagnets.

The manufacturing tolerances for the axle the wire and everything would be a fight.

I don't think you have a chance in hell of producing anything in the same efficiency range is what we have today, but compared to not having electricity at all... It might be worthwhile.

The thing is even if you make the electricity what the hell are you going to use it for? For light bulbs are going to need glass blowing in inert gases. You're going to need diodes resistors capacitors and transistors to do radio, You could probably usher in tubes but that shi*'s almost black magic as it is.

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subspaceinterferents 2 points 3 years ago

Modern stuff is hard.

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cogman 1 point 3 years ago

Copper is the easy part. Get it hot enough and you'll end up with high quality copper.. Sourcing the copper is much more difficult.

Finding magnets is somewhat simple, you just need some iron... That's a lot more difficult. Iron smelting is way harder than copper smelting (especially without electricity).

Making bearings is also difficult. It requires not only iron smelting but also high precision machining.

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KevonLooney 4 points 3 years ago path: 0 2589183 2589747 2590801 2594794 2596724, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1
ICastFist 4 points 3 years ago

and that’s just the literal direct infrastructure within a house. Water towers are not simple. Underground pipes are not simple. Civil plumbing and waste management is not simple.

The romans did manage to build a nice system, tho. I hear the persians also managed one.

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Blasphemy 0 points 3 years ago

But it doesn't have to be up to modern standards, and certainly doesn't have to be with modern materials. Get the local cooper to make your pipes and reservoir with pitch-sealed wood. Or make it out of stone, or cast copper, or whatever they use to store water anyway. If it's Roman or post-Roman, they've already had some experience with running water anyway, that wouldn't be the impressive bit.

Threading and such is mostly useful for mass-manufacturing standard pipes and using it everywhere, but at least at first you'd just be doing it for a rich/powerful person or two, where you could do something labour-intensive and unscalable.

I'm not saying that you would get a perfect, modern system straight away, but if you can convince the people to give you the benefit of the doubt through a prototype or two, you could make something that works well enough. That would be what I'd be concerned about, even if you can magic away the language barrier, they'd likely just think you're mad.

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name_NULL111653 1 point 3 years ago

Language isn't too much of a problem depending on the region. Assuming this is Rome or shortly before, Koine Greek and Latin are well enough known that you can learn it after a few years of study if you're good with languages.

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Blasphemy 3 points 3 years ago

Yeah, but I'm assuming you just get dumped there with minimal preparation. Otherwise you could also study up on early technology and know exactly what to make and how to make it to be impressive. And the 'convincing them you're not mad' problem still exists.

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IWantToFuckSpez 1 point 3 years ago

If you know that you get dropped in 14th Century England you could also prep and study Middle English since the Canterbury Tales is the first book written in that language. And we still have surviving copies.

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atlasraven31 15 points 3 years ago

I can't even draw a bike.

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Blamemeta 11 points 3 years ago

Can you build a metal laythe? Can you build one precise enough for a pump?

Can you get rubber or silicone for gaskets?

There are a lot of problems

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Tavarin 2 points 3 years ago

You don't need to be super accurate for a basic pump. If you know the design you can get medieval blacksmiths to make the parts for you with close enough accuracy.

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name_NULL111653 1 point 3 years ago

Yup. Even a cleverly designed "reverse" water wheel or Archimedes' screw could do it with just a simple, inefficient steam engine.

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Ubermeisters 1 point 3 years ago

If you're asking if I know how to rub 3 plates together the answer is yes!

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burningmatches 4 points 3 years ago

Steam engines are more complicated than people seem to think. There’s more to it than just boiling some water and voila! They’re pretty much useless without a governor. How many people know how to make this crucial component?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

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art 28 points 3 years ago

Go back in time with a 4th grade science book from 1997 and be a fucking wizard.

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atlasraven31 16 points 3 years ago

This was the (side) plot of Army of Darkness

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FlyingSquid 2 points 3 years ago

He basically was a wizard in Army of Darkness. He made a robot hand in a blacksmith's shop.

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IWantToFuckSpez 27 points 3 years ago

You could probably make explosives from manure. Use that to conquer a small community and make yourself the leader. And start a rebellion against the local lord and become the king. Then you have the resources and slaves to find copper and magnets and shit. Problem is the massive language barrier. Their language is just gibberish to us and vice versa.

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blanketswithsmallpox 16 points 3 years ago

Then you have the resources and slaves to find... magnets and shit.

They already had magic in the old days though. They used to have to fight dragons and witches and shit back then.

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pinkdrunkenelephants 3 points 3 years ago
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explodicle 12 points 3 years ago

And all the germs we carry to which we're already immune.

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pinkdrunkenelephants 8 points 3 years ago
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Tavarin 9 points 3 years ago

Definitely take your smallpox vaccine before time traveling. They still make them, so it shouldn't be too much hassle.

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pinkdrunkenelephants 4 points 3 years ago
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sokz 1 point 3 years ago

Couldn't chickenpox vaccine suffice?

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Anticorp 4 points 3 years ago

I don't want to type out that thing you said, because I don't want to end up on a list, but idk how to do that.

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SeaJ 5 points 3 years ago

The Anarchist Cookbook can show you the way.

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name_NULL111653 2 points 3 years ago

Ibic Manda.

(This is The Way)

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Anticorp 2 points 3 years ago

I said I don't want to end up on a list.

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Ubermeisters 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 2589537 2592225, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
afraid_of_zombies 25 points 3 years ago

If you paid attention in high school you could bring mathematics up to about the 17th century, if you really paid attention you could even grab some stuff from the 20th (wtf vectors why did you take so long to figure out?) and the 19th.

Plus there is just so much basic stuff you know. Used boiled and sealed water to clean a wound. Bleeding a person only makes them feel good for a bit and does nothing else. Steel in cement makes cement better. Or in the case of this picture zinc and copper and lemon.

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satrunalia44 30 points 3 years ago

anything about sanitary practices faces a massive barrier of getting people to accept and implement it. I could tell ancient doctors to wash their hands, but the first time someone tried that in actual history they laughed in his face.

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Intralexical 4 points 3 years ago

Monarchs cares about power. Give the ruler some more metallurgy or siege engines first, so you have their favour. Then split the Royal Court's physicians into two groups, one that washes their hands, and one that doesn't. Do the same for leeches, bloodletting, hydration, etc. It'll be hard to argue with the resulting death rates. And in the long run, you'll have a much bigger impact by introducing empricism/A-B testing/evidence-based medicine than any one thing specific thing you could have done.

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Chailles 2 points 3 years ago

But on the other hand, there's a decent chance of you worked hard enough, they could probably get there at least a century or two after your death.

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ComradePorkRoll 25 points 3 years ago

That's assuming you don't either kill them all off with your 21st century germs and/or be killed because the church doesn't like you.

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afraid_of_zombies 22 points 3 years ago

Yes, most of my plans for myself run on the unspoken assumption that I am not dead.

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Lemminary 5 points 3 years ago

I scoff at your suggestion! We must compulsively dissect those unspoken assumptions. This is the internet, you see, where the most brilliant of minds gather to squabble about peripheral details so that no fun can ever be had. Yuck having fun!

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MBM 7 points 3 years ago

Or drown because the Pythagoreans hate your guts

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madcaesar 3 points 3 years ago

People were so moronic back then, even more than today, saying any one of those things would have you burned like a witch 😂

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stingpie 3 points 3 years ago

Non-historian detected

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toomanyjoints69 -1 points 3 years ago

You should research how people actually were. It will do a lot for your opinion of human nature.

It makes me happy realizing that im not better than people in ancient Egypt.

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jarfil 1 point 3 years ago

People in ancient Egypt also thought people before them were so moronic for not knowing which gods to leave offers to, so their priests could predict when the Nile was going to overflow, or having an actual living God as their ruler, capable of turning off the Sun on a whim.

But what you should be proud of, is being able to read this, unlike most people in ancient Egypt, who had to pay a scribe to write or read for them.

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toomanyjoints69 1 point 3 years ago

The Egyptian gods created the universe in their culture. They would not make fun of their ancestors for worshipping the wrong gods. That would be an absurd notion to them.

Struting about because youre so much better than your ancestors is not an innate property of being human, regardless of how much you like doing it.

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gayhitler420 1 point 3 years ago
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afraid_of_zombies -1 points 3 years ago

Ok fine but the smallpox would have killed me before that happens

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jarfil 1 point 3 years ago

Steel, like the strong metal for weapons? You want how much of it, and throw it where? And what's a "lemon"?

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afraid_of_zombies -1 points 3 years ago

They had citrus fruits. It wasn't a mind bending concept.

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jarfil 1 point 3 years ago

Depends on where and when you'd go.

They had "citrons" since 4000 BC or more, which came in many different shapes, some with no pulp and no acidity, which wouldn't work for making electricity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citron

Lemons were introduced in Europe around 200 AD, and were pretty rare and expensive.

If you went to biblical times and asked for a lemon, they'd likely not know what you meant, then maybe gave you a citron, which could be of the low acidity kind, then beat you up for being a liar.

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DingusKhan 23 points 3 years ago

You know, a fun project would be compiling an instruction book for elevating/fast forwarding technology just in case someone does get sent back in time.

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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 13 points 3 years ago

We could send them to the end of the galaxy to compile an encyclopedia of all human knowledge but they'd secretly be there to start the next iteration of civilization through the foolproof strategy of not doing much and just letting the pre-calculated history take its course.

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afraid_of_zombies 9 points 3 years ago

Or we could just fly around in space on a religious drug trip until we find a planet with some worms that make some freaken killer drugs.

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DarkMessiah 7 points 3 years ago

That sounds like it would cause a major succession crisis and a galaxy-wide jihad.

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afraid_of_zombies 2 points 3 years ago

We will need one against those sentient mitosis using beings from another dimension. The Kinnison bloodline won't be enough!

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IWantToFuckSpez 2 points 3 years ago

Hail Seldon

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neonred 1 point 3 years ago
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5C5C5C 12 points 3 years ago

I want this for when climate collapse destroys modern civilization and the survivors are left to rebuild society without the benefit of global supply chains or information infrastructure.

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AdrianTheFrog 13 points 3 years ago

Download wikipedia. Its not only possible, but its actually easy. There are some apps for it, see Kiwix and https://en.wikipedia.org/.... Just bring a couple phones and some solar panels for when they run out of charge.

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ComradePorkRoll 7 points 3 years ago

I've put a bit of thought into this and I feel that even if you could bring every blueprint for every technology ever made onto a computer with 10 backups, you would still need to be extremely lucky on whether you get people skilled enough to recreate those technologies.

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Liz 8 points 3 years ago

You'd need the social skills to demonstrate technological improvements (say, a better axe) without causing everyone to freak out and call you a demon. You'd also have to keep your phones and charging devices secret until after you've recruited a few technophiles because otherwise someone is going to break them accidentally when they confiscate them for one reason or another.

Basically you need to recruit a few smart people who can be trusted and get them on your side. You might even want to funnel all your "inventions" through them to keep the heat off you, and this is assuming you end up in a culture that would even value technological advancement.

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Cyclist 5 points 3 years ago

There's a couple of books that do this: How to Invent Everything, and How Rebuild Civilization.

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afraid_of_zombies 4 points 3 years ago

Clock of the long now

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Gork 1 point 3 years ago

I don't know why they put just one zero in front of years. That just makes the clock slightly longer, and it's still insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

02023 in years only is good until 99999, then you'd need to prepend another zero.

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Intralexical 1 point 3 years ago

It's a constant symbolic reminder, and still a 10X scope increase.

If you want to be pedantic about making "the clock slightly longer", you might as well say "I don't see why they don't write their dates out in base 62. Then they could make the clock shorter by writing wD instead of 2023". The point is that everyone who sees "02023" can have a bit of an "oh shit" moment where they instantly understand what it means.

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realitista 20 points 3 years ago

I'm impressed at the strength of the guy's upper arm that he's sitting on.

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cyborganism 19 points 3 years ago

Just spin a magnet in a copper coil.

BOOM! Electricity.

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iminahurry 16 points 3 years ago

How do you make a magnet?

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dx1 14 points 3 years ago

Expose molten ferrous metal to ... a magnet.

Welp...

Magnets are created by running an electrical current through a material, so there is no need to have a 'first magnet'. This is happening 'naturally' in the earth core, in the sun, and in other stars. (https://physics.stackexchange.com/...)

So you need to look around and find some magic rocks.

Natural magnets, called "lodestones", were found in iron ores (magnetite) from the ancient region of Magnesia, hence the name "Magnet". (https://physics.stackexchange.com/...)

Maybe the sword with the stone was just a big lodestone with a sword sized hole in it. Just throwing that out there.

And one more cool fact...

Based on his discovery of an Olmec artifact (a shaped and grooved magnetic bar) in North America, astronomer John Carlson suggests that lodestone may have been used by the Olmec more than a thousand years prior to the Chinese discovery.[23] Carlson speculates that the Olmecs, for astrological or geomantic purposes, used similar artifacts as a directional device, or to orient their temples, the dwellings of the living, or the interments of the dead.[23] Detailed analysis of the Olmec artifact revealed that the "bar" was composed of hematite with titanium lamellae of Fe2–xTixO3 that accounted for the anomalous remanent magnetism of the artifact.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lodestone)

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cyborganism 10 points 3 years ago

Coil a lead wire around a big full metal cylinder (must be magnetizable) and attach one end to a big ass antenna and the other in the ground, then wait for lightning to strike the antenna. Although the amount of power will probably melt everything.

Or you can just read this: https://sciencing.com/...

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Obi 11 points 3 years ago

Alright it's decided, you're the guy we're sending back to teach Jesus how to build gaming PCs from scratch.

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ChillPenguin 3 points 3 years ago

That's how a religion is built around RGB.

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cyborganism 2 points 3 years ago

Fuck that, I'd rather study Nicolas Tesla's work and go back as a fucking electric wizard and a demi-god, shooting lightning from my fingertips.

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Surdon 7 points 3 years ago

With electricity, duh

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Thisisforfun 5 points 3 years ago

Fucking magnets

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Dogeek 1 point 3 years ago

Find a mountain rich in iron frequently struck my thunder. You're bound to find lodestones on that.

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Kolanaki 19 points 3 years ago

I'd actually be able to teach them how to make it if they have copper and magnets, since I know how to make a simple generator. They'd be SOL on how to use it though, because I don't know how to make something entirely from raw materials that would require electricity. Which means they also wouldn't know I am creating it with the generator... 🤔 Uh... Shit.

This is actually kinda wild to think about and I hadn't considered it before. Making electricity is easy! Using it is actually more complicated.

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GreenPlasticSushiGrass 10 points 3 years ago

You could give people a mild shock. "Here. Hold these while I crank this thingy." Could be good for some lulz. Or get you burned as a witch.

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Blasphemy 5 points 3 years ago

I mean, the Baghdad Battery's pretty old. We've had electricity for a while, just nobody knew what it was or how to use it. Just like us now.

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Redjard 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 2588634 2588953 2589025 2595385, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
FlyingSquid 2 points 3 years ago

I love Minuteman. His series on Graham Hancock's bullshit show earlier this year was terrific.

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Rentlar 7 points 3 years ago

Making an "ouch" device or basic heater is something I could do.

Even a battery I could make a simple alumium air battery cell. Or lemon battery. But I'd be viewed like a sorcerer asking for foreign ingredients like salt, aluminum, copper and zinc.

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Droggelbecher 15 points 3 years ago

I swear the Americans remove another letter from the word aluminium every time I look away

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subspaceinterferents 4 points 3 years ago

Yanks are a sneaky bunch.

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BackOnMyBS 3 points 3 years ago

it's all the uranum from the atomic bomb tests

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Zoboomafoo 9 points 3 years ago

Aluminum would be nearly impossible to obtain, it's actually my preferred grab in a hypothetical "You're going back in time and can take one thing" situation

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Tavarin 4 points 3 years ago

Yep, it was worth more than gold before modern methods made it easy to isolate.

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Kolanaki 1 point 3 years ago

Depends on how far back and where you went. Whoever made the Baghdad Battery probably wouldn't even be impressed.

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FlyingSquid 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 2588634 2588917 2589630 2601327, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
Anticorp 6 points 3 years ago

Joe Rogan had a good line back before he became... whatever he is now. Anyways, the line is "if I dropped you off on a deserted island, how long before you could send me an email?"

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FlyingSquid 1 point 3 years ago

Why is email the metric?

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Anticorp 3 points 3 years ago

Well you'd need to invent mining, metallurgy, machining, manufacturing, radio waves, computing, computer programming, electricity, and a slew of other technologies that took thousands of years and millions of people to create.

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Juvyn00b 3 points 3 years ago

You can make a generator.. so then stretch wires to a distance and put a motor on the end of it (similar to the generator). Basically blow their minds in that you could transfer power over distance without a mechanical coupling.

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BilboBargains 17 points 3 years ago

Forget mathematics, logic and philosophy. Teach them about Jeebus and establish a solid patriarchy. After that make a shitload of McDonald's and Facebook.

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flucksy_bango 6 points 3 years ago

How dare you not Starbucks their Walmarts! Google is going to Microsoft you!

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obinice 14 points 3 years ago

We learn how to generate electricity in Secondary School, it's pretty simple and fundamental to understanding electromagnetism, and it underpins our whole civilisation's existence. Surely you'd remember that?

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wieson 6 points 3 years ago

Yeh just gimme a cat fur and a plastic rod. I'll demonstrate electrostatic on a balloon.

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30isthenew29 7 points 3 years ago

Or just almost touch a TV and your hairs will go there.

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ICastFist 14 points 3 years ago

You'd still probably manage to get by offering services as an accountant. Illiteracy was the norm the world over for most of history, good math understanding was even rarer.

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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 22 points 3 years ago

Yeah, but no one gave a shit unless you read Latin. Nobody cared if you could read and write in those weird grunts the Angles and Saxons made.

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pleb_maximus 3 points 3 years ago

Also, are you wearing pants? Damn unwashed barbarian!

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Hazdaz 14 points 3 years ago
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Holyhandgrenade 5 points 3 years ago

One of the newest Brandon Sanderson books "The Frugal Wizard's Guide to Surviving Medieval England" has a similar premise. It's a novel so not a how-to guide so to speak, but parts of it are an in-world manual on how to survive in a medieval alternate dimension.

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Hazdaz 4 points 3 years ago
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kemsat 12 points 3 years ago

trebuchets now exist in 3500 BC

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Lemminary 9 points 3 years ago

gun powder enters the chat

Fossil Fuels is typing...

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jordanpeterson 11 points 3 years ago

In the vast and intricate web of human understanding, where knowledge weaves its delicate dance with experience, I find myself positioned, albeit humbly, at a nexus of comprehension. This vantage point, carved out through relentless introspection and a profound engagement with the world, allows me to unravel, elucidate, and perhaps even, in some modest measure, illuminate the topic at hand with a level of profundity that few might grasp.

Turning our gaze to the curious and somewhat perplexing phenomena of temporal voyages, or what is colloquially understood as 'time travel', we encounter a host of philosophical and practical quandaries. Within this entangled morass, there arises a lamentable observation: the entities, or perhaps the emissaries, dispatched from the annals of future chronology to our present juncture, don’t always seem to represent the pinnacle of their epoch’s capabilities. The Jungian shadows of the future, one might muse, often obscure the brightest luminaries, leading to a situation where we are not always graced with the presence of the 'best' or most optimal representatives of these temporal sojourners. In simpler terms, they aren’t always sending their paragons back in time, but rather, we find ourselves navigating the intricate dance with a mosaic of characters, each embodying a unique facet of their origin's potentialities.

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perestroika 10 points 3 years ago
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Jwmartin0988 4 points 3 years ago

Any conclusive proof that this was used to produce electricity? Consensus seems to be that it wasn't.

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perestroika 5 points 3 years ago
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Iron_Lynx 2 points 3 years ago

That all said, an attempted reproduction by Mythbusters, with ten of these jars, using lemon juice as the electrolyte, properly wired in series, did work, producing a voltage of about 4V. And prior to Mythbusters, various other researchers built similar reproductions using different electrolytes, which also produced a voltage. There is evidence to support that if the Baghdad Battery was produced properly, it would have worked as an electric power source.

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Resistentialism 3 points 3 years ago

I have nothing to add to this comment. I just want to make sure everyone knows that "the Baghdad battery" name goes fucking hard.

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Gryxx 10 points 3 years ago

Not my idea, but sometimes it's just enough to listen to "crazy" people. They might not know what to do with wire seemingly spinning itself, but you will have much better idea what can be created with it. RIP Terry Pratchett

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IfolkiCoding 9 points 3 years ago

If this concept intrigues you, I recommend watching Dr. Stone.

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MonkderZweite 1 point 3 years ago

Master of never used science.

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HellAwaits 8 points 3 years ago
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AceFuzzLord 6 points 3 years ago

Before or after you cause a pandemic with our modern germs and illness?

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ThatWeirdGuy1001 6 points 3 years ago

I think you'd be more likely to be the one infected

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aidan 1 point 3 years ago

Why?

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ThatWeirdGuy1001 2 points 3 years ago

Because your immune system isn't used to being constantly bombarded with those pathogens.

Antibiotics are the only thing that keep most modern day people alive. That and sanitation didn't really exist back then.

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bob_wiley 1 point 3 years ago
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Hyperi0n 1 point 3 years ago

Unlikely. It looks like this would be around the time when magi were about.

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Sir_Simon_Spamalot 8 points 3 years ago

But first, you need all the guns (and other modern weaponry) to gun down anyone trying to kill you. Might be useful to make them listen to you as well.

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embit 6 points 3 years ago

Hopefully they will understand modern day English

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raspberriesareyummy 3 points 3 years ago

found the redneck.

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darcy -1 points 3 years ago

apparently common sense survival in an unfamiliar hostile place is a sign of being a redneck

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raspberriesareyummy 1 point 3 years ago

First thing coming to mind being how to fight other people is very redneck, yes. Only emotionally retarded people think like that.

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Intralexical 2 points 3 years ago

Eh. Like 90%+ of everybody who ever lived in pre-Industrial civilization was a slave or a serf or something like that. What does that say about the other 1% that "owned" them? And if your goal is explicitly to bring lots of revolutionary technologies, you're probably going to disrupt a lot of established power structures. People in power don't tend to take kindly to that, and as the ultimate outsider, you'll be the perfect scapegoat for anything that goes wrong.

It's dumb to think only about fighting, and this specific scenario isn't something that you're ever going to be able to win through brute force alone. Also, using guns "to make them listen to you", as the original comment said, sounds pretty evil depending on how it's done. (E.G. Menace and threaten anyone questioning you: Evil. Gain favour with the royal army by providing guns, then ask for funding for medical research: Less evil.) But ultimately, it's reasonable to be prepared for other people to act in bad faith.

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Sir_Simon_Spamalot 2 points 3 years ago

You must be fun at parties 🙄

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over_clox 7 points 3 years ago

I take these two completely different looking rocks, dig a small hole between them, and pee in the gap.

Electrolytes! It's what every caveman craves!

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HawlSera 6 points 3 years ago

The deconstruction I didn't know I needed

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pinkdrunkenelephants 6 points 3 years ago
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Deiv 9 points 3 years ago

And then what?

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imgonnatrythis 12 points 3 years ago

Profit?

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pinkdrunkenelephants 6 points 3 years ago
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afraid_of_zombies 4 points 3 years ago

I think they knew about that already.

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gothicdecadence 6 points 3 years ago

This is kinda the premise of Brandon Sanderson's new book The Frugal Wizard's Handbook to Surviving Medieval England lol, I recommend it! It's one of the secret project Kickstarter books so it might not be on regular shelves yet but it should be soon, and the audiobook is out for sure

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notenoughbutter 5 points 3 years ago

won't going back in time spread coronavirus and other diseases?

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raspberriesareyummy 7 points 3 years ago

Only if you are sick at the time you go back. The occasional 1 1/2 viruses aren't going to survive long enough to infect anyone.

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atyaz 7 points 3 years ago

More likely you'd catch the bubonic plague and die within a few months

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jarfil 1 point 3 years ago

We're the descendants of bubonic plague survivors. They haven't even gone through last year's flu.

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TheObserver 4 points 3 years ago

The best a human can do without the knowledge of how it fully works is be able to push them in the right direction. Depending how far back you go you'd either be considered a god or a witch 🤣. Humans man we are strange.

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bob_wiley 1 point 3 years ago
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bob_wiley 4 points 3 years ago
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Kalkaline 4 points 3 years ago
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LinkOpensChest_wav 1 point 3 years ago

Same tbh. Christian homeschooling is very common where I live. It's borderline abuse imo

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hglman 4 points 3 years ago

If you want to get stuff going, what you have to do is help past people produce precision tools. Then you can build interesting machines and make use of electricity.

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chakan2 4 points 3 years ago

Eh, grab a big fur and a metal rod of some sort...you get static electricity that way.

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blanketswithsmallpox 5 points 3 years ago

Tell your mom I said Hi btw.

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EpicFailGuy 3 points 3 years ago

@neutralbipolar2

That's what youtube is for ...

scientific curiosity is very healthy

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gayhitler420 2 points 3 years ago
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Fish 2 points 3 years ago

Just bring a Machinery's Handbook with you and you will be a god.

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Aux 2 points 3 years ago

I thought everyone learned how to make electricity at home with a potato at school...

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ch00f 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 2598369, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Crashumbc 1 point 3 years ago

When was the water wheel invented? pretty much everyone know how they work.

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