cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/34884126
Liberals, standing in the way of progress no matter what!
a year ago by алсааас [she/her] to c/leftymemes
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/34884126
Depends on. So called "Ur liberalism" was the foundation of a lot of our moral systems on the left, but then we had to realize capitalism have weaponized early representative democracies, so a great split began, and after some conservatives started to call themselves "classical liberals", a steep rightward shift begun, especially with all the moral panics about communism. I remember I had to vote Fidesz, because I got told that the liberal party masquerading as social democrats called MSZP wants to bring back communism and nix all intellectual jobs they can, because "worker's party". Meanwhile, Fidesz nixed all intellectual jobs they could, because they want to build a "work based society". Then all the old people I hated who only liked "communism" because of the authoritarianism suddenly became Fidesz voters, some even celebrated the "return of communism to Hungary", because for them communism was equal with Stahanovist work moralism, which the capitalists in our country have appropriated to themselves. Get ready to work for "at least he works even if it's not much money" style praises, which makes me wish hell was not only real, but that these people had a special place there, very deep down.
marxist is stuck in an election with a liberal and a fascist and an anarchist
marxist votes for self and gives election to fascist
marxist doesn't care because their purpose was to destroy the nice liberal state they live in to give their life purpose and make their larp universe real
ps. anarchist never mattered
It astonishes me just how hard the army of votescolds are pushing at the moment, like they’re “hey guys this isn’t the time to reform Democracy or the Democratic Party, the election is only 39 months away! Shut up and get in line!”
I’m all in on trying to reform tbh. If we want to do it right though, we need to change the voting system on in each state, like Alaska and Maine did.
Having an alternative voting system is how we can get more candidates like Mamdani in office, since we don’t have to worry about vote splitting between our preferred candidate and the incumbent.
First Past the Post voting is the predominant method for how voting is done in the US. It’s a winner takes all system where you can only pick one of the candidates on the ballot. I feel alternative voting makes way more sense since you can pick your preferred candidate(s) first and then have some back up options you’re personally okay with winning. We end up with so many do nothing incumbents since people worry about splitting their vote so much and letting the worst candidate win, due to the flaw of the system.
Let’s get the word out about alternative voting systems and organizations that promote them. Get involved locally can help scale it up as well. NYC uses an alternative voting system for instance.
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You're in this one. Clearly it's upset you.
Liberals will always put corporate interests ahead of the rights of the people. Of course they’d rather have happy people and happy corpos, but when push comes to shove they are always more willing to hand the keys to fascists than socialists. At least the fascists believe in capitalism.
Liberalism has nothing to do with corporations. These are two totally independents axis. One one you have liberalism and authoritarianism On the other you have socialism and capitalism. You can have liberal socialist and you can have liberal capitalist. People love to conflate these things based on the popular parties in their country. But just because there are opposing parties with some specific economic/social viewpoint combination in one country, it doesn’t mean that they make a template how it works.
Dearest, no. The axis are economic left vs right (private vs public ownership) and authoritarian vs libertarian. Libertarian being “I can do whatever I want” and authoritarian being “you can only do what I say.” Libertarianism is distinct from liberalism which is a political ideology invented by John Locke which believes free market capitalism is the best economic system except that it needs to be regulated to protect consumers (think the FDA). Before Donald Trump and for most of American history, both parties were liberal parties.
Then why us every lib in a desperate frenzy to deep throat it and annihilate its enemies?
Then the fasciast shoots the Marxist and Ancharist, then proceeds to beat the Liberal to death.
Liberal surpised Pickachu face
The fascist told the liberal "um, ackchually, I'm a moderate, christian-democratic conservative, I just think woke went too far with the trans kids thanks to those radicals".
"I was one of the special ones!"
Cheering the whole time.
Reminds me of Romania right now where the centrist candidate that won the presidential elections (and tons of people on here celebrated because it wasn't a reactionary right-winger) refused to ban and straight up endorsed legionary and fascist organizations to "fight communism"
Article in Romanian, though using machine translation will get the general idea across
Centrism is always just right wing trying to not get called right wing
Or how happy they were kid starver won them labour immediately just speed up doing what the torries were?
"won" after they illegally anulled the results and didn't allow the winner to take part.
All OK for the EU when things don't go their way.
Not that I want those fascists to win but yet another example of the hypocrites from the EU with their imaginary 'democratic values'
Yep, that sums up November 2024 in America pretty well.
Gun control for me but not for thee. The liberal way.
Never specified if the bullets are actually for the firearm in question though...
Depends on. If they're a "Marxist-Leninist" (read: Stalinist), they would shoot the liberal and the anarchist, then try to negotiate with the fascist. It they're an actual Marxist, they would shoot the fascist and the liberal, then try to negotiate with the anarchist.
Historically, Marxist-Leninists have shot more fascists than anyone else.
After they were forced to, before that they tried to negotiate with them.
Yeah, and before that they tried to negotiate with the liberals to team up against the fascists, but the liberals preferred the fascists.
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Ah right, liberals, the bane of everyone’s existence. Nazis are already blaming liberals for everything, so it was just a matter of time until anarchists (or whatever OP likes to be) start doing the same.
I feel like not voting is the single greatest help fascism has ever received.
Not voting for a democrat you mean? I think leftists would vote for a left wing candidate if you Dems can ever bring yourself to nominate one for President. Otherwise it's just more of the same.
Cornel West ran, non-voters exist because they are happy with either front runner winning. If they wanted neither then they would protest vote.
They never will if leftists don't start voting.
Maybe liberals should stop doing things that make fascism grow, and help the people who stop fascism? Maybe that's asking them to not be racist elitist assholes, so they'll never do it.
Anarchism is a liberal ideology. Why would OP be blaming themselves?
Tell me you don't understand politics without telling me you don't understand politics.
Dude, stop outsourcing your trash to foreigners who barely understand English
Pretty sure the original post is by a western, native English-speaking anarchist. She’s a YouTuber and I’ve watched a couple of her videos, which I found pretty good.
You’re welcome to disagree with her but the xenophobic assumptions don’t really add anything of value to the conversation here.
The joke is better in the original Hebrew
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Correct, liberalism is a center-right ideology. They are literally closer on the political spectrum to fascists than leftists.
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