Socialisation

a year ago by LadyButterfly she/her to c/witchesvspatriarchy

protist 156 points a year ago

Cats and dogs are pretty serious predators. And butterflies are formidable prey, because many are poisonous. And saying "dinosaurs" is like saying "mammals." My son loves his clothes with stegasauruses and triceratops on them, which are both herbivores and prey. Almost all dinosaurs were prey, in fact.

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CarbonIceDragon 48 points a year ago

And for that matter, a pretty big fraction of even the popular dinosaurs were prey.

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protist 12 points a year ago

I edited my comment to say this before I saw you had said it. Here here!

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SpaceNoodle 7 points a year ago

Where, where?

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outhouseperilous 20 points a year ago

I was gonna say, 'have you ever lived with a cat?'

When they like you they show love the same way silver screen mafiosos threaten to kill you if you dont do what they want.

Cats are monsters. I wish i had one right now.

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finitebanjo 16 points a year ago

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outhouseperilous 10 points a year ago

Literally letting your cat outside is an ecological disaster in north America, because they just will not stop killing.

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dethedrus 8 points a year ago

Also a great way to kill your beloved family member.

Having to explain to your grandkids why mommy keeps leaving the door open and letting cats escape to their death never gets easier.

Thankfully long in the past, but not forgotten.

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outhouseperilous 1 point a year ago

Well, at least she wasn't using her hands; that's much harder on a kid.

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Redjard 1 point a year ago

... insects?

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finitebanjo 3 points a year ago

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Redjard 1 point a year ago

It's the first time I hear of cats endangering insects.
Hard for me to imagine them being efficient enough at hunting them or caring enough for them it would matter.

Couldn't find anything with a quick search either, do you have some source?

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SweetCitrusBuzz -8 points a year ago

can, not necessarily will.

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finitebanjo 14 points a year ago

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Tiger666 -9 points a year ago

Don't worry, you are not wrong and they are insane.

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SweetCitrusBuzz 1 point a year ago

I'd rather not speculate on their sanity. However, yes, this is based on the observation of always living with cats. The ones we have lived with do not hunt that often and are not that successful at it when they do.

It very much depends on where cats live, how long they go outside and for what reasons. The cats I've lived with do not go outside often except to relieve themselves and they are well fed, so they feel less of the need to hunt.

In cities or other urban areas I imagine this is more of a problem. However, where I have lived it seems not to be as much.

It also comes down to temperment, training, and efficacy of the cat(s) and how well you feed them, most people are so utterly convinced and repeat the same inane talking points that all cats will wipe out populations of other species that they never let them out, but I've seen that other species are completely fine where I live. Maybe if all cats everywhere were allowed outside, sure, but it's not so much of a problem here.

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shadowedcross 6 points a year ago

Ah yes, cats. The prey animal that kills billions of animals every year.

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UnculturedSwine 3 points a year ago

Dogs and cats are. Puppies and kittens are technically predators but they don't really do much preying until they are grown.

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shplane 1 point a year ago

Don’t take it so literal. It’s how these images are perceived by regular folk is what the post is getting at. Perception of what’s tough versus soft.

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SlartyBartFast 69 points a year ago

Cats are predators too

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SlartyBartFast 48 points a year ago

And dogs

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SlartyBartFast 21 points a year ago

And butterflies

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SlartyBartFast 11 points a year ago

And bunnies, if you're a carrot

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ICastFist 6 points a year ago

Or a human with some R related speech impediments

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Notyou 6 points a year ago

"These are the cries of the carrots. The cries of the carrots. You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust". And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you, Jesus

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dandelion 3 points a year ago

though commonly portrayed as prey to dogs, not sure this undermines the OOP

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jsomae 3 points a year ago

fwiw, OOP also says dogs are prey

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dandelion 2 points a year ago

puppies are prey, silly 😋 🍽

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atomicpoet 38 points a year ago

Aren’t kittens and puppies technically predators? What would be the difference between a baby lion and a baby kitten?

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LadyButterfly 24 points a year ago

It's how people perceive them. People are far less likely to quake when they see a cat than a lion

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atomicpoet 22 points a year ago

Okay, but then there’s teddy bears.

Everyone perceives them as cute and cuddly. But I wouldn’t want to cuddle with a bear in real life. Bears are much more dangerous than sharks just on account you’re more likely to encounter one.

I guess what I’m wondering is: why are things clearly predatory not perceived that way?

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13igTyme 3 points a year ago

Because people are dumbasses.

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DeathsEmbrace 4 points a year ago

I would instinctively try to pet a big cat and lose my hand or life for it so I agree.

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Leonixster 2 points a year ago

Why wouldn't you want to cuddle a real bear? Have you not seen them? They look incredibly soft! Just ignore the high possibility of losing your life ofc

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anothernobody 0 points a year ago

Go fuck yourself you pedophile scum.

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anothernobody 0 points a year ago

Go fuck yourself you pedophile scum.

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pixeltree 31 points a year ago

I challenge the notion that kittens can't be savage predators

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sem 11 points a year ago

They absolutely are baby predators.

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ICastFist 30 points a year ago

The more important thing is how it is presented, since styles are a thing. Just search anything typically considered badass, like "grim reaper", then the same thing with "kawaii" added.

The "message" behind the clothes tends to be girl = cute and docile; boys = strong and dangerous

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LadyButterfly 6 points a year ago

Yep exactly.

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dandelion 5 points a year ago

love boy baby clothes that cute-ify t-rexes and so on 😊

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GraniteM 5 points a year ago

Well, I for one am glad I went looking for this.

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rautapekoni 26 points a year ago

Parents choose what clothes to give their children. Once you realize this, you can't even!

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some_kind_of_guy 7 points a year ago

We tend to go with the absolute minimum of unnecessarily gendered clothing for our little one. People assume she's a boy all the time. Like, with zero other info besides seeing the clothes/toys/stroller etc.

I find it to be a bit creepy tbh, so when it happens I try to avoid giving a correction and just make an exit.

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TriflingToad 2 points a year ago

I feel like you're purposefully missing the point

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stray 3 points a year ago

The girls' section will have prey animals present, but they will hardly be the only things on offer. Neutral colors/patterns, landscapes, and many other options are all prominent.

I think it's more interesting to point out that boys generally aren't allowed to wear things like bunnies, either by their families or society.

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socsa 19 points a year ago

Ngl, I assume things about you if you have 5 kids.

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selkiesidhe 18 points a year ago

Cats are pretty and soft, and also malicious murderers who will maim things just so they can watch them die, so....

Your daughter's shirt with the lil kitten "playing" with a butterfly? Metal af!

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resipsaloquitur 15 points a year ago

Dinosaurs are predators? She’s never heard of an herbaceous herbivorous dinosaur?

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some_kind_of_guy 2 points a year ago

I didn't know dinos smoked weed

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Soulg 12 points a year ago

Maybe I'm just naive but this feels like a huge stretch of trying to say it means something

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DragonTypeWyvern 8 points a year ago

Nah there's definitely something there, it's simply not accurate to pretend gender programming doesn't start in childhood, but her specific examples aren't great

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DragonTypeWyvern 12 points a year ago

I had bunny pajamas and my favorite dinosaurs were herbivores

The vibe is right but the examples are suspect

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Kolanaki 11 points a year ago

I notice kids' clothes only because I am pissed that they dont make the same kind of stuff for adults. Why can't my 6'6'' tall ass be dressed head to toe in Spongebob Squarepants clothes?

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BunScientist 8 points a year ago

You have to go the other way around it, white shirt, brown pants, red tie, you can BE spongebob

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Kolanaki 5 points a year ago

My name might be Robert but I am not a sponge. Just kinda spongey... Spongey Robert Normal Pants. 😩

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outhouseperilous 1 point a year ago

Fix it. And square your edges.

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Witchfire 7 points a year ago

Have you been to Hot Topic recently? You absolutely can

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Kolanaki 6 points a year ago

I would never have dreamed there would be a day you could walk out of a Hot Topic in bright yellow.

But also: Do they still cater to just anorexic high school kids? They never had anything larger than a medium back in the day.

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Witchfire 4 points a year ago

Modern Hot Topic is nothing like classic Hot Topic. I guess the relative target demographic hasn't changed, and you can still get Miyazaki and somehow Invader Zim (do the kids know who that is?) but it's otherwise straight up cringe.

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Kolanaki 2 points a year ago

Which Miyazaki, tho? I'd hit up HT for some Dark Souls/Elden Ring shirts. Or... Well, I guess I'd also get Ghibli shit, too... 🤔

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stray 2 points a year ago

Are you kidding? My Hot Topic always had plus sizes and plenty of obese kids shopping there. It was like the only place in the mall with size diversity that wasn't also "I'm a stereotypical American housewife over 40."

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outhouseperilous 2 points a year ago

Find the fabric. Find a tailor. Live your dreams.

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stray 10 points a year ago

Predators:

robots/vehicles
triceratops/stegosaurus
cityscapes
Adidas stripes
Minecraft/Amogus
Marvel/DC

Prey:

unicorns
lions/tigers/leopards
owls and foxes
Adidas stripes
Minecraft/Amogus
Marvel/DC

It's definitely fair to say things marketed to boys tend to have a more badass feel while things marketed to girls have a more cute/sexy feel, but predators and prey aren't really a pattern, and it's very much not the case that you're boxed into those genres.

Edit #73638295: How the fuck do you format a bullet list on Lemmy?

This is not how I wanted it to be formatted, but it will have to fucking do. How hard is it to just not ignore line breaks?

Edit again: Is Pikachu a predator or prey animal? Maybe an opportunistic scavenger? Do you think it eats poop like other rodents?

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volvoxvsmarla 6 points a year ago

Pikachu is a predator. Dude only pretends to be cute and nice but he can attack if he wants to

The animals for kids thing is more like... There are a lot of animals that are weirdly gendered. You will have a hard time finding boy clothes with cats, horses, bunnies. You will have a hard time finding girl clothes with sharks, lions, eagles.

Now, what do I mean with "boy clothes" even, isn't everything kid's clothes? And that's where I got amazed when the same pyjama set sold at size 74/80 - that is a baby size - had vastly different cuts for the girl design (a narwal argonaut) and the boy design (a dino astronaut). My girl never even fit into the girl set because it was so narrow. Not even when she was actually wearing 68. She fit into the boy set until she was actually wearing 98.

The sad truth is that clothes are awkwardly gendered from early on. Few brands make truly unisex designs. There is nothing wrong with girls wearing a wide tshirt with sharks or boys wearing a pink leggings. But to most people this will be an "X in Y clothes". Few brands design unisex clothing and few brands will create a dino dress for girls or a bunny shirt for boys. They exist, but among the common brands it is rather rare.

Edit to add: apparently watermelons are unisex. I've seen them on a lot of swim wear this season. Just in case you wondered about the genderedness of fruit. Because that's also a thing.

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Pandantic 6 points a year ago

I’d just like to say that there is a shift in this, if only a bit - my big box store had Hello Kitty hoodies in the boys section (along with Naruto and Black Panther) and they were sold out in no time.

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catsarebadpeople 6 points a year ago

Seems like a stretch. 5 boys though. This lady has seen some shit

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captainlezbian 1 point a year ago

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