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RoidingOldMan 108 points a year ago

Maybe putting a fascist saluting drugged up weirdo in charge of all the computer systems was a bad look.

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D_C 18 points a year ago

Ok, yes, you are correct...but how were they to know it was a bad idea before doing it?
Just because it is stunningly obvious to any person who isn't corrupt, or an idiot, that doesn't mean they were/are getting paid shit tons of cash from all their corruption and data mining!!

It's a bit like voting in the document stealing, child rapist, traitorous Russian asset Donvict tRUMP (twice). Most sane people will say it's a bad look.
However it could be pointed out that voting Reagan in (twice) was also a bad idea. Which it was.

Just because the us population keeps on making the same mistake again, and again, and aaaa-fucking-gain does that mean they need to wake the fuck up and stop being gullible fools? Who knows. It's a tricky one.

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 58 points a year ago

I’ve worked for open source companies for a while now and a lot of our business was from European organizations for exactly this reason.

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Sl00k 4 points a year ago

Who's the most fleshed out replacement for something like GCP / AWS in your opinion?

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 14 points a year ago

On prem or colo.

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Tja 5 points a year ago

There is none that is on par, but the closest ones I know are stackit, ionos, ovh and hetzner. German and French.

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anzo 2 points a year ago

https://localstack.cloud/ maybe?

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TheLeadenSea 30 points a year ago

You know what's less risky than using corporate systems at all? FOSS

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sigmaklimgrindset 2 points a year ago

Are there any good FOSS email providers? Like...I don't want to deal with setting up my own email service, that sounds like a nightmare. I used Proton for a bit and even that got me spam filtered out of a lot of important communications.

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ikidd 5 points a year ago

Fastmail.

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sigmaklimgrindset 1 point a year ago

Thank you! I'll check it out.

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merc 5 points a year ago

What's a "FOSS email provider"?

An email provider that uses FOSS products under the hood but operates as a normal for-profit company?

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sigmaklimgrindset 0 points a year ago

That's what I'm asking! I would assume that they would be some sort of non-profit that would operate on FOSS, but is that really even an option w/r/t security? Proton has FOSS licensing, but their backend isn't really open is it?

The OP is talking about email, and the comment I replied to was talking about open software for businesses, so I was asking for alternatives. I'm not really tech savvy enough to operate my own private email server.

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railcar 5 points a year ago

The backend of any service is "trust me" even if it's FOSS. Tuta has blogged about this

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TheLeadenSea 3 points a year ago

Fair enough, I use webhosting with Mythic Beasts for my domain and I just decided to use their email hosting too for my domain, it's way too hard for a small player to set up their own email and be viewed as trustworthy, with all the things the big companies do - I feel you for that one.

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sigmaklimgrindset 0 points a year ago

Do you have any problems with MB? I was using my own domain with Proton, and for some reason outgoing email was only working half the time. Switched to Google for the time being, but it's SO EXPENSIVE (and also Google) that I want out ASAP.

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TheLeadenSea 2 points a year ago

MB works very well for both domain and web hosting for me

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WhyIHateTheInternet 26 points a year ago

That sucks because it isn't the average Americans doing anything it's these fucking psycho billionaires and their cronies. This behavior is going to kill American jobs.

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ikidd 68 points a year ago

Average America voted in a majority for the House and Senate, as well as a psycho billionaire as president, and a majority of the state legislatures and governors. Average America can have they day they fucking voted for.

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yucandu -18 points a year ago

They didn't know what they were voting for, and the effects won't be limited to their borders. It is in all of our interests to educate them.

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Glytch 26 points a year ago

They didn't know what they were voting for

Yes they most certainly did. Their plan was published a year before the election and was widely disseminated under the name Project 2025. Many conservatives liked the plan or knew that Democrats didn't like it and just wanted to spite them. The ones claiming they were fooled simply weren't listening to what was actually being said.

It is in all of our interests to educate them.

Have you seen how Americans treat educators? Anti-intellectualism is a driving force in this country's politics. Best idea is to cut us off as much as you can and prepare to defend your countries as we lash out in our death throes.

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merc 15 points a year ago

Mistakes: It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others

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yucandu 11 points a year ago

Yeah that's a cute meme but a fascist country with nukes will kill us all.

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LwL 7 points a year ago

I'll agree that the majority of trump voters was very mislead (much like brexit voters).

At the same time, it wasn't exactly impossible to find out what they voted for, so it's their own fucking fault at the end of the day. I only feel bad for the third of the country that voted against the clown (and everyone that for any reason was unable to vote). The rest? If you can learn your lesson from this, best of luck, but don't expect any pity.

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yucandu 3 points a year ago

You say "pity" like this only affects them. It affects the whole world.

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ikidd 4 points a year ago

I doubt they'll learn anything, even if they ended up in Gilead.

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yucandu 2 points a year ago

Well we have to do something. What do you propose?

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mrgoosmoos 4 points a year ago

not knowing what they voted for is entirely their own responsibility

all of the information was there. they chose not to look at it.

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yucandu 3 points a year ago

But it's our responsibility too. It affects us all.

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AntEater 3 points a year ago

It is in all of our interests to educate them.

You can't teach someone who is unwilling to learn. Living in a rural area, I know way too many Trump supporters for my own comfort and I've never once heard anyone expressing regret over their support. Not one. They seem to continually repeat the excuse du jour presented by Leavitt, Fox or whatever conservative echo chamber they subscribe to. At this point, it's 100% willful ignorance and I've run out of optimism.

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yucandu 2 points a year ago

Well how did this guy do it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis

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zebidiah 2 points a year ago

How do you teach someone who takes pride in being ignorant?

... How do you teach people who BRAG about how long ago they last read a book (if ever!)

What can you teach a population of dunning Kruger dunces to show them they don't know shit from shingles?

As my favorite Swifty once said "you cannot reason a man out of an opinion he didn't reason himself into".

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yucandu 2 points a year ago

I don't know but we better figure out. Maybe we should ask this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis

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trolololol 0 points a year ago

Or, let the latest empire fall so the nations they've been stepping over get a chance.

Yep, I'd give it a go until CIA and NSA get torn down. They've caused more suffering than all the us residents combined are going through.

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yucandu 3 points a year ago

Okay but letting an empire fall means they go through their Hitler phase, only they have nukes. We might all die before they fall.

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rhombus 12 points a year ago

As much as it will probably hurt, it’s in everyone’s best interest to wean themselves off of the American tech sector. Microsoft in particular has its greedy fingers in so many western governments and really needs to be cut off.

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zebidiah 6 points a year ago

Year of the Linux desktop! Let's fuckin goooo!

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Korhaka -1 points a year ago

The average American is either complicit or actively supporting it.

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jaggedrobotpubes 0 points a year ago

That is not correct.

It is happening in spite of most people not liking it. That's part of the issue.

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Korhaka 3 points a year ago

They voted for it or didn't care about voting

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rustydrd 22 points a year ago

The EU needs a publicly funded development effort to provide FOSS solutions for business admin and the public services sector. The GDPR helped, but it's still way too much US-based software at the foundation of all that.

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wampus 20 points a year ago

American Tech is literally encouraging the authoritarian dystopia that's taking hold in the states. They deserve to be excised.

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Kirp123 13 points a year ago

The switch won't be instant but we are moving into that direction. When contracts run out with US tech firms they won't be renewed and alternatives will be sought out. Slowly but surely.

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The_v 10 points a year ago

As the alternatives start to gain market share, their products will become more feature rich. This will lower the barrier for adoption and increase the rate of transition.

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drmoose 12 points a year ago

I work with big corporate in both europe and us and it has always been true in some form or another as certification is very serious at enterprise level. There's a huge boom for European software right now! Though, EU is completely fumbling the opportunity due to really poor support for small companies. Big corporations can afford to migrate and recertify etc but if you're a small european company you're totally fucked like always. European software is mostly captured by the big moat and this will not help.

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Valmond 1 point a year ago

OVH comes to mind...

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thefluffiest 12 points a year ago

Same in my mostly government-focused industry

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pressanykeynow 11 points a year ago

Hopefully it's not about Trump but the understanding that relying on proprietary software might sound nice in a short term but certainly will be devastating in the long(or short sometimes) term.

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sad_detective_man 8 points a year ago

anything that requires ongoing updates, subscription, or storage is going to be a risk. we can't even support data centers and also the cities where they build them without rolling blackouts and water shortages. but they're prioritising the data centers anyway because they this Ai is going to pay off whatever damage the blackouts cause

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Jankatarch 4 points a year ago

The nature, it's healing.

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HubertManne 3 points a year ago

sounds bad for duck creek.

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WhatGodIsMadeOf 3 points a year ago

Is the adobe suite American?

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Strawberry 1 point a year ago

yes

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WhatGodIsMadeOf 4 points a year ago

Nice. Maybe people will start making better affordable software.

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tim 3 points a year ago

I'm hopeful FOSS projects will see a big boost in funding and contributions in response to this nonsense. It'd be a nice silver lining to this cloud of shit.

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azertyfun 2 points a year ago

Can't corroborate from my personal perspective. If anything it seems that the EU proving to be entirely toothless and fundamentally unwilling to do anything other than fold completely flat for Trump has emboldened the industry reliance on US public clouds for upcoming projects.

Now I don't work on the business side so I can't speak to exact customer pressure/feedback, but what am I supposed to say to a project manager who defaults to Azure/AWS for hosting a new product? It's more convenient and reliable than the alternatives, and there is no structural risk to that decision given that the EU would sooner get rid of the GDPR than admit that user data isn't secure on US servers.

At this point I almost feel like I should wear a tinfoil hat to suggest using an indigenous public cloud provider.

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GenosseFlosse 1 point a year ago

Fun fact: to get your software or service approved to be used by US government agencies wich pay nice licensing fees, your software must run self-hosted. This means on the client infrastructure, without relying on any 3rd party services from microsoft, google, amazon etc.

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chunes 0 points a year ago

That's rich coming from the country that does the exact same shit through companies like Otto and MediaMarkt.

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VitoRobles 4 points a year ago

Maybe they're ditching those companies too.

Any country that has a backdoor to corporate data is a liability

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