A California store owner was shot and killed over a Pride flag displayed at her shop

3 years ago by FirstCircle to c/usa

*A Southern California business owner was shot and killed Friday by a man who objected to an LGBTQ+ Pride flag displayed at her clothing store, officials said.

San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies responded to the Mag.Pi clothing store in Cedar Glen, Calif., at around 5 p.m. local time for reports of a shooting.

Deputies discovered the victim, 66-year-old Laura Ann Carleton, suffering from a gunshot wound. Carleton was pronounced dead at the scene, the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department said in a news release.

The suspect, who was not identified by officials, fled the scene on foot.

According to deputies, the man made "several disparaging remarks about a rainbow flag" that stood outside Carleton's store before ultimately shooting her.*

DarkWasp 125 points 3 years ago

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FirstCircle 38 points 3 years ago

Indeed, very much so.

But wait, I've heard "there are good people on both sides" [some infamous criminal].

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Clent 25 points 3 years ago

This is the output of authoritarian rhetoric.

Their first step was making sure their volunteer soldiers could self arm.

Plausible deniability up the whole chain.

This is going to get so much worse.

The culture war is a hot war.

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oo1 1 point 3 years ago

cf Martin Niemöller . . .
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3lZTUD4nwsg

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iforgotmyinstance 47 points 3 years ago

Right wing terrorism in action.

It's shitty that the guilty party chose death by cop rather than face trial. It would be good to get these fuckers on court TV with all their dirty laundry to boot.

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Comment105 29 points 3 years ago

Pull the religion into it, he's a Christian terrorist.

A Zealot of Christ.

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eestileib 17 points 3 years ago

I can't believe how unwilling people are to admit that ------ianity is complicit in all these crimes.

Obviously, this is what Jesus wanted. "I come to bring a sword" and all that.

You'd think that decent people would realize that it's time to set the hateful fairy tales aside and actually do the work of being decent humans, but no.

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Cethin 3 points 3 years ago

Not Christian and not defending organized religion in any way, but most of the stuff Jesus supposedly said was peaceful and about accepting people no matter who they are. It was just twisted over the years to be something other than that. The believable stuff about Jesus makes me assume he would be accepting (maybe not like it, but accepting of it) of LGBTQ+ people. Old testament shit is a whole other thing though.

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eestileib 1 point 3 years ago

most of the stuff Jesus supposedly said was peaceful and about accepting people no matter who they are.

This is a recent reinterpretation of Jesus.

He had plenty to say about who he was going to punish, the extent and type of pain he was going to inflict, etc.

Traditionally, it was Mary who was the softie.

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Ghostalmedia 45 points 3 years ago

She left behind a husband and 9 children.

What a homophobic monster.

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stappern 29 points 3 years ago

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Dick_Justice 27 points 3 years ago

tHeY jUsT hAvE dIFFeReNt oPiN8OnS tHaN yOu

bOtH sIDeS aRe tHe Same!! 1!!

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Doll_Tow_Jet-ski 22 points 3 years ago

What the actual fuck. We're entering the second dark ages

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Wirrvogel 21 points 3 years ago

I find it important to make clear it was a hate crime, but Lauri Carleton was NOT killed “over a rainbow flag outside her clothing store”.

No one gets killed because of a rainbow flag. You get killed because an asshole who wants to rather die than adapt to the world changing wants to spread fear with his last action and needs desperately to find a “reason”. Let’s not pretend he had a reason any other than being a coward.

My heart goes out to her family, friends and the community impacted.

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dub 19 points 3 years ago

That’ll teach her for supporting a minority group.

Edit: might have to put an /s at this point….

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Larvitar 8 points 3 years ago

Sorry, sarcasm is dead

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eestileib 16 points 3 years ago

Massive respect and sorrow for the loss of an actual ally.

And fuck that guy and the religion, media, and politicians that made him.

Sic semper bigotis.

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sugar_in_your_tea 1 point 3 years ago

I am religious and I believe in life after death. I also believe this dude will suffer for quite some time for this show of intolerance. Every major religion I'm familiar with views murder as unforgivable, and that's precisely what this was, murder of an innocent.

I sincerely hope this person gets what they deserve in the next life.

I have nothing but love for the LGBTQ+ community. I hope the pride flags out there give you some sense of reassurance that the majority is on your side. Screw that guy, and screw anyone that thinks violence is an option to dealing with these types of disagreements. i sincerely hope this convinces others to rethink their own intolerant views.

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quinnly 1 point 3 years ago

Every major religion I'm familiar with views murder as unforgivable

Many many religions also view homosexuality as a sin, so depending on what you believe you may be walking a very fine line of hypocrisy here

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sugar_in_your_tea 1 point 3 years ago

I don't see any reason for hypocrisy. Most religions don't condone violence against sinners, instead leaving that to God to handle. They instead encourage peaceful proselytizing to convince sinners to repent.

So whether homosexuality is a sin is irrelevant, violence isn't acceptable. You may believe a gay couple deserves an eternity in hell, but that doesn't justify murder.

People have absolutely used religion as an excuse, but they need to do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify it with the tenets of the religion. And if you're willing to do that, you don't need religion at that point, it's just good old fashioned intolerance. If it's not religion, maybe it's a philosophy or political ideology.

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quinnly 2 points 3 years ago

Are you Christian? If so you may want to review Leviticus, which literally calls for violence and death against homosexuals. If you are a Christian but you're being picky and choosy with scripture, then you are a hypocrite.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Edit: I went out on a limb and quoted Christian scripture because you capitalized the word god. If you aren't Christian I can try to provide scripture for whatever religion you believe in

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Sooperstition 15 points 3 years ago

May Laura Ann Carleton rest in peace. She risked her life to support the LGBT community. Her death should not be in vain. Every motherfucker going on about grooming or drag queens or pro-LGBT indoctrination has blood on their hands. Whoever killed her needs to understand the consequences of what they did.

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sugar_in_your_tea 8 points 3 years ago

I don't think she really risked her life for it. Nobody puts up a rainbow flag expecting to become a martyr.

What happened is that a crazy person used a flag as an excuse to focus their anger onto someone who had nothing to do with whatever the source of that anger was. It could have been a Joe Biden campaign sign or a marijuana poster that set them off. It just so happens that this time it was a rainbow flag.

I guess my point is that putting up a flag isn't "risking your life," it's just a flag. I see absolutely no reason for Ms. Carleton to have even considered that putting up that flag was a risk. She was an innocent victim of a crazy-person, and that's more terrifying to me than thinking that putting up a flag was risky behavior.

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miikaroo 13 points 3 years ago

We used to have a progress flag on our car but took it off months ago due to fears of something like this happening. How senseless and tagic... may she rest in peace.

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CADmonkey 7 points 3 years ago

Every time I see another story like this, I get tempted to buy a stack of rainbow bumper stickers to sneakily put them on certain vehicles.

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DanNZN 6 points 3 years ago

You, of course, mean right over MAGA stickers.

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CADmonkey 2 points 3 years ago

Where else?

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notannpc 7 points 3 years ago

That’s a fucking hate crime. It’s too bad he had to kill an innocent person before he did the world a favor and died.

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autotldr 6 points 3 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

A Southern California business owner was shot and killed Friday by a man who objected to an LGBTQ+ Pride flag displayed at her clothing store, officials said.

San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies responded to the Mag.Pi clothing store in Cedar Glen, Calif., at around 5 p.m. local time for reports of a shooting.

According to deputies, the man made "several disparaging remarks about a rainbow flag" that stood outside Carleton's store before ultimately shooting her.

Carleton studied at the Art Center School of Design and had a long career in the fashion industry, including a 15-year run as an executive at Kenneth Cole, the site said.

The Lake Arrowhead LGBTQ organization took to social media to address the shooting, saying that while Carleton did not identify as a member, she spent her time helping and being an advocate for those in the LGBTQ+ community.

Mountain Provisions Cooperative, a local food co-op, said on Instagram that Carleton and her husband had been pivotal in helping organize a free store after a blizzard hit the area earlier this year.

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masquenox 2 points 3 years ago

The suspect, who was not identified by officials, fled was allowed to flee the scene on foot.

Fixed that for 'em.

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SwallowsDick -3 points 3 years ago

So the guy is still at large, armed and dangerous?

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eochaid 3 points 3 years ago

Deputies were later able to locate the armed suspect, who was confronted by deputies and was killed in "a lethal force encounter," authorities said. No deputies were injured.

I mean, you could have checked the article. Didn't even to scroll that far.

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SwallowsDick 1 point 3 years ago

I thought I did, my bad I guess

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