The moment I saw it was NYT, my eyebrows were raised.
And yep. It's the same BS.
Democrats Are in Crisis. Eat-the-Rich Populism Is the Only Answer.
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bytesonbike 30 points a year ago
TheGoldenV 6 points a year ago
Thank you for the TL:DR flavor text.
UnderpantsWeevil 84 points a year ago
NYT "Eat the Rich Populism": Angrily posting memes at a few select right-wing billionaires and a bunch of foreigners, particularly in China
Actual "Eat the Rich Populism": Nationalizing critical infrastructure that's being horded by the billionaire class in the aggregate
TronBronson 13 points a year ago
Pull up the societal ladders that allow people to become billionaires in the first place. Transferring a nations wealth from 5 pairs of hands to 10 pairs of hands once a generation is not a realistic long term governance
RaivoKulli 3 points a year ago
Nationalizing? I hope you mean socializing
HasturInYellow 6 points a year ago
Easy. We nationalize the government too. That way it owns itself, and we own the government. No more billionaires in politics.
TronBronson 1 point a year ago
He means, we're going to take back all the shit we paid for. All that socialize the cost privatize the profits infrastructure & R&D are ours now. Nationalize everything, trump already created precedent with the intel deal. They took our money we take their company. Glory to USSofA
BarneyPiccolo 2 points a year ago
Start with Space X and Starlink. We paid for all of that. Musk got rich by skimming billions from government contracts. Take all that money back, too.
He can keep Tesla, it will be bankrupt in 2 years anyway.
BedSharkPal 78 points a year ago
Oligarchy destroyed the social contract and forced nihilism amongst the youth. It's why the entire world is tilting authoritarian. Democrats need to pivot hard into proper wealth taxation otherwise things will only devolve further. It's a moral imperative at this point.
Canconda 42 points a year ago
Americans need to learn to differentiate between the vehicle and the driver. The democratic party will not affect change until the vast majority of it's sitting members are primaried.
No need to fix an election when the rich own all the horses in the race.
nanoswarm9k 15 points a year ago
Sorry, everybody under 50 has to work at the capitalism on Tuesdays.
We're technically 'allowed to leave', but will fall behind on rent immediately. All three sick days have been used up.
TronBronson 5 points a year ago
Yea we keep making random national holidays on every day but voting day. Its crazy how we can just add a banking holiday when ever, but chose not to do November 5th
jj4211 4 points a year ago
Wealth taxation may be an important men's to an end, but in our discourse we need to emphasize more what benefits would be planned for the tax revenue.
Reducing the wealth of greedy assholes is nice, but by itself only gets so far.
TronBronson 1 point a year ago
Yea. that's kind of the problem, no one in power has a plan for education, healthcare, housing, wage stagnation, two-tiered job market, or anything really. But one of the benefits would be not running up a deficit. We spend way too much on interest payments, and we really don't see the pay off for the money being borrowed. It's time for a new government the old one broke itself with greed.
ArmchairAce1944 2 points a year ago
Even in Canada they are they trying to enact patriot act style legislation to appease American companies... and there is not now, nor has there ever been, a terrorist justification for it.
Prove_your_argument 44 points a year ago
After FDR the establishment has done everything possible to prevent this.
EmpireInDecay 29 points a year ago
Democrats are the crisis that they manufactured
Canconda 43 points a year ago
IMO people need to rally behind new progressive candidates and primary more than 50% of the sitting party in 2026. About 75% of the party are incompetent at best and complicit at worst.
People need to look past the individual members of the progressive caucus like AOC and realize the monumental organization it took to get her elected.
Republicans fix elections. Democrats fix primaries.
tburkhol 18 points a year ago
Progressives need messaging and a concise platform. 'Fix housing, healthcare, inflation, immigration, monopolies, LGBT rights, income inequality, unemployment, gerrymandering, climate, education....' Everyone who's even capable of listening past 4 objectives knows they're not all going to happen and assumes that means they're all bullshit.
I've really been liking "Tax wealth not work" but I'll take anything stronger than "return to normalcy."
NuXCOM_90Percent 8 points a year ago
The problem is that Progressives are about... progress. And we all have our own priorities.
If you make the entire platform "Trans rights" then you are going to have women and "minorities" wondering why you are abandoning them and so many others wondering about economic support and so forth.
Don't believe me? Look at how many dumbfucks proudly turned the 2024 Presidential election into a single issue election where, somehow, they still decided that Biden (Kamala who?) would be worse than trump when it comes to Palestine. EVERYTHING else was ignored.
Whereas chuds just want to hurt people. And while they might prefer their bogeyman get hurt more, they can still be happy to know that at least THOSE people are getting hurt.
WoodScientist 7 points a year ago
The problem isn't focusing on one issue. The problem is that periodically, performative centrists will seek to prove their centrism by performatively sacrificing a minority group on the pyre.
Democrats are a coalition party. They can't afford to sacrifice a chunk of their base in a vain attempt to appeal to suburban white Republicans. Democrats need to keep their coalition together, which is far more diverse than the Republican coalition that mostly caters to straight white Christians.
Democrats from time to time are tempted to pick one or two of the minority groups in their coalition to throw into a woodchipper. The thought process is that if they just sacrifice the one group the right is screaming the loudest about, that somehow they can get Republicans to vote Democrat. It never works, but it plays to the biases of the Democratic leadership, who themselves are largely straight white Christians.
2024 wasn't about Palestinian activists demanding the entire campaign be made about them. What happened in 2024 was that Democrats decided that it was the Palestinian-Americans turn to be thrown onto the pyre, a ritual sacrifice to attempt to win straight white Christian votes. The leadership made the calculus that by sacrificing Palestinian Americans, they would gain more votes than they would lose. Muslim Americans would inevitably refuse to support Democrats for abandoning them, but Democrats would gain more Republican and Zionist voters in return. The DNC didn't want Palestinians and their allies to vote for them; they wanted Republicans to vote for them.
That calculus didn't work. The Palestinians had a lot more friends than the DNC gambled when they decided to sacrifice them. And it cost the Democrats the election.
Ultimately, what side would be best for Palestine is completely irrelevant. This was an active conscious choice on the part of DNC leadership. They actively chose to abandon Palestinians and their allies. They did so knowing full well it would cost them a ton of votes. They just gambled that they would win more bigot votes in return. That gamble failed, and then they turned around and blamed the loss on the people they fully expected to not vote for them, entirely due to their own conscious choices and actions.
Not even the DNC are stupid enough to expect the votes of people they deliberately choose to sacrifice. But, apparently that bar isn't one you're able to clear.
ClassStruggle -1 points a year ago
Democrats don't mind fascism as long as they are the ones doing it. If someones red lines isnt letting brown people around the world get killed I don't care what else they support, they are protecting THEIR self interests over the lives of others and can't be trusted when they call themselves allies to the marginalized.
A_norny_mousse 7 points a year ago
I’ll take anything stronger than “return to normalcy.”
You mean the normalcy that allowed Trump1.0 to happen in the first place, and allowed Trump2.0 to grab and pervert as much power as he has now? I fully agree, there is a larger lesson to be learned from all this than "phew, thankfully the Democrats won this time, and Trump can't run again". There are systemic problems behind all this.
Canconda 2 points a year ago
Focusing on the platform just unilaterally raises the bar for people voting democrat. As you've identified, many people do not have the attention span for all of that.
Plus it is not mutually exclusive that the democratic party is both part of the problem and the only viable vehicle to platform solutions. In fact, that is one of the messages the GOP has used quite successfully. "Drain the swamp."
If you have not watched the documentary I linked above than I must politely suggest to you that you may not be aware of all the underhanded systematic tactics employed against progressive candidates. People are missing the forest for the trees when it comes to democracy. No need to fix elections when the rich own 95% of the horses in the race.
TronBronson 12 points a year ago
Progressives would naturally do better in elections if they didn’t have 2 parties spending billions of dollars to keep them out of power.
TronBronson 3 points a year ago
All Americans need to commit to grass roots elections and candidates. We gave away our political responsibilities for convenience
A_norny_mousse 2 points a year ago
It's a little beside the point, but:
75% of the party are incompetent at best and complicit at worst.
Compared to Republicans, where the number is practically 100%.
TronBronson 1 point a year ago
We just need to agree to abandon the two party system. We’re supposed to be sending members of our communities to Congress, not members of a party
TronBronson 4 points a year ago
I from Maine, we have ranked choice voting and we have sent an independent to the senate for the last 30 years. You can do it too! Anyone can really. You just ignore the donor class candidates and vote for the person not on TV 50 times a day! A lot of you do need to work on your local elections laws, great place to start fighting.
TronBronson -1 points a year ago
It’s really not, there’s like 10 dudes running for those positions who will never get 1,000 tv ads, but you can still vote for them and use social media to advocate.
ClassStruggle -1 points a year ago
Reform will never work, anyone challenging the current system will never be given any committees or positions of power within the party that threaten the existence the status quo
nanoswarm9k 0 points a year ago
Do you think they were hinting for inaction, or for revolution?
ClassStruggle -1 points a year ago
How well is repeating the same fuck ups over the last 50 years working out for ya?
Formfiller 14 points a year ago
It was the answer ten years ago now we are in an authoritarian technofacist oligarchy that is “disappearing” people…..womp womp. Day late and a private airplane bribe short there NYT
TronBronson 1 point a year ago
Probably call the editor for approving it.
MalikMuaddibSoong 7 points a year ago
Oh is it finally time to eat?
ristoril_zip 7 points a year ago
I'm here for the headline but the content was disappointing. Mamdani got more votes for his mayoral primary win than the Republican who beat Osborn for the Nebraska Senate in the general election (Mamdani 573k in round 2, 499k for Fischer (R), 436k for Osborn (D)).
So who does this guy talk about for most of the article? Osborn, of course.
Look, I get that there will probably be a mix of Osborns and Mamdanis and everything in between and probably even outside of that landscape. There will be people I will have to hold my nose and vote for because they will go after the literally evil billionaires preying on all of us, even if we won't get their support for marginalized groups.
Even Ta Nehisi Coates said that he would have supported FDR in his recent sit down with class traitor Ezra Klein, even though FDR sold black Americans down the river.
Maeve 3 points a year ago
Nyt still doesn't get it.
homesweethomeMrL 2 points a year ago
NYT Opinion column again
wetbeardhairs 4 points a year ago
Since when? I thought they used procedural bullshit to keep Hogg out
FlyingCircus 3 points a year ago
lol what? Progressives absolutely do not have control over the Democratic Party. They’re the only ones doing anything so they get the media attention, but the neo-libs still hold all of the power in the party.
BarneyPiccolo 3 points a year ago
The Progressives are the only segment of the left that has any concept of what they are doing or has a plan for the future. The rest are just flailing aimlessly, and reacting incompetently to MAGA treason, abuse, and corruption.
Their primary priority seems to be preventing a Progressive takeover by any means necessary, including helping MAGA to win, rather than allow a progressive administration.
WoodScientist 20 points a year ago
Message: Defund the police!
Your response: stop using that phrase. It's not specific enough and too easily weaponized by the right.
Message: reallocate police funding to mental health response teams. Transfer duties from the police to medical professionals.
Your response: the left sucks at messaging. We need powerful slogans that capture the imagination, not wonkish policy positions.
WoodScientist 8 points a year ago
If they were quotes they would have quotation marks...
TronBronson 16 points a year ago
Nah it’s a pretty clean message, we are going to consume all of their resources, and put up walls so high they can never accumulate that much again. Like God crumbling the tower of Babel.
gAlienLifeform 12 points a year ago
Also, whoever shot and murdered a healthcare CEO in cold blood last year got more praise from the general public than basically anything the Democratic party has done in the last ten years, so yeah, that comment seems pretty out of touch with public sentiment
TronBronson 6 points a year ago
Bipartisan support too 🤣🫡
BlameTheAntifa 12 points a year ago
That will happen anyway, because it a core component of fascism. It does not matter what is said, it will be abused by the fascists.
The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies. … However, the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.
TronBronson 4 points a year ago
Did you ever think they probably should be scared at this point? Fear is a great way to regulate behavior without the need for action. The fascist taught me that.
TronBronson 3 points a year ago
I’m someone they consider a leftist even tho I’m really a classical liberal with libertarian biases and guns. I do want to Tale of Two Cities them. They are correct, and I’m not even hungry yet. Just disenfranchised.
TronBronson 3 points a year ago
I’d probably eat the rich literally if it produced the right reaction: have a Martha Stewart style cooking show all about it: it would get great ratings!
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NYT? is that the same NYT that was telling Democrats for decades that the only reason they aren't winning is because they aren't Republican enough?
OK, gift article, you have my attention...
...nah, it's just more of the same
edit: I was listening to a Cory Doctorow interview yesterday and he had some very interesting things to say and I was reminded of this article again. Talk was long, interesting and meandering, but this was one of the things that reminded me
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