They’re minorities but they’re everywhere.
ohulancutash 90 points a year ago
SeductiveTortoise 29 points a year ago
The weak Democrats have so small numbers, they fit in any crevice. Very small numbers, very dangerous!
PixeIOrange 20 points a year ago
Schrödingers enemy
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Xanthobilly 37 points a year ago
fascism /făsh′ĭz″əm/
noun
- A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
- A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
- Oppressive, dictatorial control.
You are, in fact, wrong.
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napoleonsdumbcousin 21 points a year ago
So according to your logic Hitler only became a fascist once he completed restructuring the state to fit his ideology. Before that he was not a fascist?
Xanthobilly 8 points a year ago
🙄👎
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Mk23simp 74 points a year ago
I find this argument to be disingenuous because the truth is that the Republicans don't have enough control to pass an appropriation bill without Democrat consent.
Telling the true story makes the Republicans look just as bad, though. The things that the Democrats are demanding are things that are obviously good and very popular. Like not making the US healthcare system even worse.
So, why distort the truth when the truth is already in the Democrats' favor in this case?
EDIT: Since there seems to be a lot of confusion on this point, I'll try to explain the relevant US senate rules. The reason why Republicans don't have full control of the senate is because for most types of legislation, they need 60 votes to invoke cloture, forcing a vote (at which point only a simple majority is needed to pass the bill).
There are limited exceptions to that, including budget reconciliation bills that modify the current budget. The "Big Beautiful Bill" that they passed earlier was such a budget reconciliation bill, so it was only allowed to do things that modify the budget (some provisions they tried to include were struck down for not meeting that standard and therefore requiring 60 vote cloture).
The bill they are trying to pass now is an appropriations bill that actually funds the government, which is not an exception to the cloture rule. Their version of the bill is considered a "clean" continuing resolution because it continues funding with no modifications, but they have already modified the funding earlier with the BBB without getting Democrat approval, so the Democrats rightly don't approve of continuing with that budget. The Democrats want Republicans to negotiate with them like they are supposed to, and to make concessions primarily on healthcare funding (which the BBB drastically cut).
njm1314 58 points a year ago
I don't agree. It's not like a case of the Democrats holding the Republicans hostage over an extreme measure of some sort. The Republicans basically did no negotiation at all. The bill proposed was so horrendous as to force a number of Democrats to hold hard. We all know if Republicans had budge just a little bit they would have passed this thing. So no I don't agree this distorts the truth, this is the truth the Republican shut it down. It was on purpose. This was the plan.
scarabic 7 points a year ago
It’s a fair point.
Prior to Trump, every time a Republican president took power they would make a little speech about how “now it’s time for unity” and look sideways across the aisle at the Democrats.
With Trump that speech was more like “our political opponents, who are subhuman, can eat my fist and die.”
Mk23simp 3 points a year ago
The part that I find disingenuous is the argument that the Republicans control every branch of government and that's why the shutdown is their fault. The shutdown is their fault, but not for that reason.
jballs 3 points a year ago
I understand your point, but you kind of argued against yourself here:
but they have already modified the funding earlier with the BBB without getting Democrat approval, so the Democrats rightly don't approve of continuing with that budget.
Essentially, Republicans used their majority to make changes without Democratic approval or negotiation. Now they've reached a point where they actually need that approval or negotiation to continue. They could easily take out the changes they made unilaterally earlier and pass this. Instead, they're playing the blame game saying "we can't pass this ourselves, we need Democrats to vote for it."
That'd be like if I broke into your house, stole your TV, then said "I just need you to sign this document saying everything in your house is as it should be" and then blamed you for not signing.
takeda 47 points a year ago
The reason why 2/3 votes are required is to force budget bill that isn't decided by just one party.
Republicans decided to create bill without including Democrats in negotiations and then expecting them to vote for it.
Like WTF?
The shutdown is 100% fault of GOP.
explodicle 5 points a year ago
Republicans decided to create bill without including Democrats in negotiations and then expecting them to vote for it.
When you put it that way, I'm surprised the Democrats are putting up such a fight.
MisterFrog 2 points a year ago
From the outside, requiring a 2/3 majority to pass a budget is insane. It's no wonder we hear of government shutdowns from the US with regularity.
We (Australia) had one federal shutdown in the 1970s and it led to a constitutional crisis, and that was because the Liberals (the conservative party) refused to vote for supply.
Since 1999 government funding automatically rolls over and is instead altered by legislation:
Y'all have a stupid system, change my mind.
While the GOP are bastards, it needs to be noted that the system itself is stupid.
I feel justified in commenting on US politics, given its hegemonic status over us.
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Tollana1234567 10 points a year ago
the republicans can pass whatever bill they want that dont need a supermajority , they are currently just shutting down to avoid the epstein files, since they have MAJORITY and a couple of dinos willing to vote on bills with the gop. dems dont get to be blame this time. plus the gop dint show up in congress too.
smeg 8 points a year ago
Only due to Senate rules that they regularly like to blow up, but in this situation have decided that Senate rules are suddenly sacrosanct. Normally, they can only use reconciliation on a budget item once per year, per Senate rules, and they used that to pass One Beautiful Bill. They could nuke the rule and then do it as often as they like, but now they're suddenly institutionalists?
BanMe 2 points a year ago
This age doesn't value reason, facts, or logic. But so many old school intellectuals think reason, facts, and logic are going to save them. They will not. It's time to adjust your sails, because the wind has changed.
Mk23simp 2 points a year ago
The same thing has happened several times in the past. Each time that there is a mass media revolution it comes with a surge in misinformation and emotional, populist rhetoric. Around the time of WW2 the new communication medium was radio, now it is the internet.
The shift away from reason and factuality is a transient effect. Things will swing back towards factuality as people adjust to the new medium. In the meantime, emotional, populist messages are required, but they don't have to be false ones. There are messages that can emotionally resonate with people that are also true. Take Zohran Mamdani's campaign, for instance.
MystikIncarnate 2 points a year ago
The "truth" you've stated here, regardless of its basis in fact or not, is too complex for the average American.
I'm just saying. The majority of y'all voted for the leopards then bitched when the leopards ate your collective faces.
tlmcleod 1 point a year ago
Majority of us did NOT vote for that. You can say a majority of voters did, but certainly not a majority of the citizens. Each party only got about ⅕ of the populations vote. 20% isn't a majority
MystikIncarnate 1 point a year ago
At that point I feel like we're splitting hairs.
If you don't vote, you implicitly agree with whatever outcome is decided by those that do.
If you want your voice to be counted, you should go and vote.
And in saying that, I understand that some places are actively making it difficult for some people to actually submit their votes.... But the 3/5ths not voting, is not accounted for by that one difficultly.
Mk23simp 1 point a year ago
If the average American doesn't understand it, then it is better to attempt to change that then it is to just lie about it. Lying about it makes the Democrats look like liars and cowards to those savvy enough to know the difference, when the truth makes them look plenty righteous. If they went with the true story, they would look good to those who are savvy and the summary that trickles down to the average American would still make them sound good while also teaching them to be slightly less ignorant.
LibertyLizard 1 point a year ago
Don’t they though? They have (slim) majorities in both chambers, can’t they push this through if they really wanted?
DeathByBigSad 6 points a year ago
60 votes are not required. That's for cloture to end a filibuster.
The filibuster is not in the constitution nor a law, its merely a rule that can be changed at any time and the rule change itself cannot be filibustered. vance could also preside over the senate and ignore the parliamentarian.
snooggums 2 points a year ago
If they wanted to pass this they can change the rules which only requires a simple majority. They want to keep the current rules because it allows them to shut down the Dems when they are in power and Reps are fine with the government being shut down since their goal is to gut it anyway.
There is no reason for Reps to change the status quo, because this is what they want.
DeathByBigSad 2 points a year ago
They could if they can whip enough republicans to change the filibuster rules, or just get vance to preside over the senate and to ignore the parliamentarian. They never did that because "norms and traditions".
But this party that's ignoring the constitution for the past few months... and somehow "norms and traditions" suddenly matters now... 🧐
shawn1122 34 points a year ago
The Democrats want to
Extend healthcare subsidies that were put into place during the pandemic. Allowing these to expire would raise everyone's monthly healthcare premium.
Challenge new restrictions introduced in the "big, beautiful bill" which seeks to exclude able bodied "working age" individuals from Medicaid benefits. 12 million low income individuals are on track to lose coverage.
Sidebar: John Oliver has covered this but.. the way this system works is you lose coverage by default and then have to submit paperwork monthly to prove you are working. Its been shown time and time again that state governments do not have the administrative capacity to handle that amount of documentation so even if you are eligible you will likely spend most of your time uninsured and in administrative limbo.
- Challenge immigration enrollment restrictions that aim to prevent immigrants from accessing Medicaid benefits (everyone who works in the US [including immigrants] pay into Medicaid).
Republicans don't want to include those provisions in the budget. Instead they want to talk about them later. We all know what that means.
DarkFuture 25 points a year ago
With his recent declaration of war on the left and his ILLEGAL withholding of Congressionally approved funds to only blue states, it's wild to realize that we are actually experiencing a treasonous president (and party) and this cuck of a country isn't doing a fucking thing about it.
To live your whole life hearing some "home of the free, land of the brave" bullshit, just to find out that it was exactly that. Bullshit.
KneeTitts 8 points a year ago
this cuck of a country isn’t doing a fucking thing
Think of how many have lives have been lost because of a lack of sensible gun laws, all for the lie "we need all these guns in case we have to stop a tyrannical dictator from trying to take over the country"
Doomsider 1 point a year ago
For real!
Don't forget the war on drugs. We have lost millions to overdose and related violence. It was all preventable but we chose to fuck over our fellow man to try to hurt minorities.
These two unbelievable injustices are just the tip of the iceberg.
LillyPip 23 points a year ago
Vote in the midterms and FUCKING VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES.
Whether you like it or not, FPTP makes 3rd parties mathematically unviable in general elections.
If you want to move the Democrat party leftward (which is, politically, the only option now), the only way to do that is to vote for progressives in the primaries. They do exist. Research them in your state, lobby and volunteer for them, and get them in the primaries. Then show up for them.
If we’d been doing this instead of protest voting in the generals or abstaining, we wouldn’t be having to cope with a weakened and corporate Dem party. Shockingly, you actually do have the power to move things if you get involved.
h3ll3rsh4nks 23 points a year ago
Republicans have always loved blaming the minority for their problems, nothing new there.
LoafedBurrito 23 points a year ago
It worked out PERFECTLY for the GOP.
They can refuse to swear in the new democrat Adelita Grijalv into the house for the 218th vote to release the epstein files that Johnson and Trump are ALL over.
It also gives them a new way to fire thousands of more federal "left leaning" employees.
It also gives them optics with their voter base that democrats hate america and want people to suffer, and they eat it up.
Meanwhile, the rest of the country who are based in reality know this is 100% republicans fault and a way to delay the epstien files and hurt the american public even more. At the same time calling for war on american citizens who don't bow down to the dictator.
Fedizen 5 points a year ago
I mean they think democrats are communists, and the green energy movement has more money and benefits than oil companies. Its not surprising so many of them think dinosaurs were killed by the flood from the noah's ark story less than 5,000 years ago and that donald trump is fighting for them.
KneeTitts 2 points a year ago
They can refuse to swear in the new democrat Adelita Grijalv into the house for the 218th vote
Ya thats great for them, but you know whats ever greater?? Dissolving congress... which I bet trump will try and do, then the Epstein files will literally never be released.
selkiesidhe 17 points a year ago
Well when your voters are dumb as shit, then just saying yep Democrats fault they know their base will accept their word.
technocrit 14 points a year ago
We can count on the liberal media to report "both sides" of this situation as usual.
That's how we got here.
SoftestSapphic 12 points a year ago
The pedo king is buying time before he gets beheaded.
TheThrillOfTime 9 points a year ago
Everyday we stray closer to Idiocracy.
LoafedBurrito 7 points a year ago
Just watched it again earlier this week and i actually got sad/angry when they introduce Presiden Cumacho's cabinet members. It's identical to our cabinet. Except their secretary of education was better than ours.
TheThrillOfTime 3 points a year ago
Dude I watched it in the past year and I was surprised how much better it was than when I first watched it in the 2000s. It's incredible how stupid we are.
lost_faith 3 points a year ago
IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PROPHETIC!!!!!
I see a few other things in that movie coming true, like the tat Not, Sure received, the food kiosks that drug you when violent, can't wait for that movie "Ass" or the tv line up
LoafedBurrito 2 points a year ago
There was a time when reading wasn't just for fags. And neither was writing. People wrote books and movies. Movies with stories, that made you care about whose ass it was and why it was farting. And I believe that time can come again! -Pres. Not Sure
banazir 15 points a year ago
As I understand it: To avoid the shutdown, Republicans needed 60 votes. They have 53 senators. Only one Democrat voted with the Republicans. The Democrats had some healthcare related demands that weren't met, so the shutdown went ahead.
takeda 17 points a year ago
The reason the rules were introduced is to force compromises.
They come up with their bill completely excluding Democrats from negotiations. Why would they vote for it?
BTW: Biden somehow avoided shutdowns, I wonder how...
snooggums 9 points a year ago
There is a filinuster rule that used to let the minority party in either house stop bills by speaking for extremely long periods of time during debate. Over the years the House got rid of it and the Senate's version morphed into treating the announcement that someone would filibuster as the same thing so declaring it effectively shuts down anything that doesn't have overwhelming support.
Republicans keep it because they can obstruct even if they don't control any branch. Dems keep it because they want it for leverage to negotiate, not to obstruct. The difference is that over the last few decades Republicans will negotiate and then filibuster anyway so the tool as a whole benefits them while being a negative for Dems who can't overcome it to pass effective legislation that would help people.
The filibuster is a turd in a punch bowl. It takes a lot less effort to shit in a punch bowl than it takes to make the punch, and one party wants to shit in the punch bowl, even when they are hosting the party.
TheThrillOfTime 6 points a year ago
They play buzzword bingo. There's no truth behind anything they say. Problem? Say that phrases "Democrats" "Joe Biden" "Hilary's Email". People don't think about this stuff logically (mostly because their education has been defunded).
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Madison420 6 points a year ago
Doesn't matter if they recess before speaking on it.
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Madison420 4 points a year ago
Grindr Mike forced a recess before any discussion could be had.
NigelFrobisher 2 points a year ago
Well, of course he does. He’s simply building a pretext for the suspension of the House.
BilSabab 1 point a year ago
It's can be even funnier - one of our previous Defense Ministers decried corruption and massive money laundering operations on war effort while also being the one doing that. He literally snitched on himself and did it with panache of Scooby Doo villain and it was as stupid as it sounds.
BilSabab 1 point a year ago
nah, he was high-profile big business lawyer before getting the minister chair - basically appointed as "the man outside of the system". the problem was - he was a big business lawyer and he basically pushed the big business agenda inside ministry instead of you know state interests and shit. And then he decided to outargue a respected investigative reporter who exposed unlawful scheming inside Defense Ministry and while he was busy proving everybody wrong he outlined the whole thing even better and it caused even bigger public outcry so he was forced to resign.
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