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ExtremeDullard 79 points a year ago

That's what happens when Big Tech traps people in information silos and the media manufactures different fake realities depending on the bias of the particular billionaires who happens to own the outlets: people don't share a common experience anymore and don't have common facts to agree on.

As a result, everybody has their own truths from their own information bubbles and nobody know the actual facts anymore.

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LainTrain 9 points a year ago

This is from 2013. This has nothing to do with big tech, people are just stupid.

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jali67 7 points a year ago

Eh, the rhetoric was still being pushed just in different ways.

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LainTrain 1 point a year ago

Yes, but again - not by SM/apps/big tech, just by the establishment and grifters. Same as it always was with the press.

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ExtremeDullard 0 points a year ago

Because you think this is new?

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ArbitraryValue 8 points a year ago

I think blaming billionaires for this is incorrect. Look at Lemmy: this place is very much a silo. I've been actively participating here for over two years and in that time I have encountered one or two people who supported Trump (the ones posting in /conservative/ before it apparently got taken over). I routinely get called a fascist for being a mainstream Democrat. I'm not complaining (after all, I choose to be here rather than in a more comfortable silo) but clearly being a federated open-source non-profit isn't solving the problem.

Some billionaires got rich by enabling people to join online silos, but those billionaires were doing what the people wanted already.

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LainTrain 13 points a year ago

Idk, people here are definitely on average more sane than on mainstream platforms. This also isn't to do with big tech or billionaires, it's the fact that even knowing of Lemmy has a certain intellectual barrier that filters out the non-thinking masses.

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ArbitraryValue 6 points a year ago

There's a filter but I'd say it's a "dedication" filter rather than a "sanity" filter. People on here generally seem to put more effort into understanding the causes that they support than the average person on Facebook does, so they avoid making the most basic mistakes. However, their causes are still often far out of the mainstream ("crazy" in a colloquial sense) and their understanding of why someone might disagree with them in good faith is often rather poor.

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LainTrain 1 point a year ago

That's fair, still, I'd rather talk to "crazy" people who reasoned their way into than "normal" people who got there purely based on vibes

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bobo1900 1 point a year ago

I would hardly consider "one or two trump supporter in two years" a silo, like how many other people you encountered that were less extremists and more capable of dialogue?

Also, lemmy is not immune to tech propaganda, since it cannot be taken in isolation: people will still (albeit probably less intesively) biased by consuming other media, and being mostly a link aggregator rather than a generator of original content, there will still be some bias from the sources. It's just a place where there's no omnipotent algorithm so the problem is less grave, but still present.

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CatsPajamas 2 points a year ago

Look at all this buzz about Gen z going right wing. They are still by and large left wing and yet the news won't shut up about Tate or whatever

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tuff_wizard 48 points a year ago

It's crazy no one has mentioned Rupert Murdoch in relation to this. He owns 21st century fox in USA, New Corporation in Australia and News International in the UK. All Major publishing houses that own hundreds of papers and TV channels.

He is a evil man who uses his staggering media empire to control the opinions billions of people and has directly influenced many elections by pushing certain narratives.

As an Australian he is our greatest shame.

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phoenixz 5 points a year ago

Can anyone explain to me how any of this is legal? These countries have governments that know about this, why don't they do something about this?

I will never understand how a corrupt company that has Fox News can actively sue to be able to call itself a news organization while still continuing to lie, and it continuously lies lies lies. We know where the narratives.come from, we know whom controls it, and we haven't done anything about this for decades and were still letting this happen

We allow fox News (and now oann and the others) to hide behind that first amendment but you can't yell fire in a cinema and you shouldn't be able to call yourself a news organization and them just lie and bias the fuck out of everything. News must be protected information. Journalists should be bound by oath to be truthful. News is too important

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tuff_wizard 2 points a year ago

Because if you bring it up they'll run smear after smear article about you until the gullible public believe you are bad and vote you out.

No one should have been allowed to consolidate that amount of power and unfortunately I can't see them giving it up any time soon. I fear "democracy" is out of its depth.

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Ronno 2 points a year ago

Isn't that what the series Succession was based on? I think that show does a great job in showing how billionaires control the narrative.

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Starski 1 point a year ago

You just watched that new fern video too huh

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tuff_wizard 22 points a year ago

No i don't know who fern is. I'm from Australia, we've known about old right wing Rupert for a long time.

I just saw a comment on here about how the UK doesn’t have Fox News and thought perhaps they don’t realise that it’s the same guy the whole way down

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sin_free_for_00_days 7 points a year ago

I, too, don't know that fern video or what fern is. That said, yeah, I think anyone informed at all realize Murdoch is in the pantheon of comically evil real people who have lived. For those that don't know, now you know.

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Starski 1 point a year ago

I suppose it's just a coincidence then, they make exceptional videos talking about all sorts of different things that happen, and just yesterday they released a whole video on the Murdoch family

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vapeloki 28 points a year ago

Social Media was a mistake.

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foodandart 16 points a year ago

I fear what the results form a survey in the US would find..

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Infernal_pizza 19 points a year ago

US public wrong about nearly everything and proud of it?

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gribzy_uk 13 points a year ago

This story is from 2013 https://www.independent.co.uk/...

I can only assume in the intervening 13ish years, that the public are now wrong about everything.

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olafurp 3 points a year ago

Americans are not any better. Poll from 2022 https://today.yougov.com/...

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psx_crab 1 point a year ago

Well they know about something that is 100% true: lizzy's dead.

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devedeset 9 points a year ago

Now do America

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AquaTofana 8 points a year ago

Oh fuck, the Republicunts will call it fake news and be like "NO I HEARD ONE NEWS STORY ABOUT AN IMMIGRANT MURDERING SOMEONE ONE TIME SO THEY'RE ALL MURDERERS AND THE STUDY IS FLAWED."

In short, facts are not going to save us.

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Kolanaki 4 points a year ago

You could basically just remove the word "British" from the headline and it would still be accurate.

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ThePyroPython 7 points a year ago

Having interacted with the British public on a regular basis, I can confirm: they don't know owt!

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Gates9 6 points a year ago

“We are all in the same boat now”

https://www.pewresearch.org/...

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aberrate_junior_beatnik 5 points a year ago

Wow, if only there was an organization whose purpose was to inform the public about the current state of the world, maybe they could do something about it

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LainTrain 5 points a year ago

The BBC is a propaganda outlet meant to keep British society in line and and in check so the aristocracy can maintain their power.

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AppleTea 3 points a year ago

the Sun does the same thing but also with a profit motive

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LainTrain 3 points a year ago

Both have a profit motive, one simply earns actual capital that it's owners (Murdoch etc.) exchange for political capital (favourable laws) and the other earns political capital (position promises, coverage opportunities, connections with assorted tory wankers), to exchange for actual capital (bonuses, cushy jobs).

Every system is corrupt.

In so far as beeb vs the sun hey are practically indistinguishable in terms of actual levels of bigotry, the actual tone is the only thing that sets it apart, but in terms of harm the Beeb takes the cake for me for being so transphobic one of their articles has a whole-ass Wikipedia page about it.

Then you have the frankly bizarre amount of sucking up to Rowling, Farage, et al. they do and now the coverage of the war in Gaza too.

The Sun is arguably more harmless because nobody really thinks it's unbiased truth. But many people do see the Beeb that way and it hasn't been so since the BoJo years at least when the new head got appointed, it's just polite fox news now.

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Denjin 0 points a year ago

LOL

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LainTrain 1 point a year ago

Wanna let me in on the joke?

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Denjin 0 points a year ago

The BBC isn't a propaganda platform?

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vapeloki 3 points a year ago

If people would actually READ articles instead of just looking at the headline and pictures.

And if people would believe articles that do not reflect their view, then and only then, they could do that job

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aberrate_junior_beatnik 2 points a year ago

Corporate media, including "left leaning" and "progressive" outlets, routinely misleads people, especially around the listed issues of crime, public benefits, and immigration. Check out https://fair.org/ for tons of examples.

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TheThrillOfTime 3 points a year ago

Well at least the British aren't smarter than us Americans.

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NigelFrobisher 2 points a year ago

Are we living in a land where sex and horror are the new gods?

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tidderuuf 2 points a year ago

See they don't have Fox News and same problems as the U.S.

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tuff_wizard 4 points a year ago

Oh but they do

https://aussie.zone/comment/19438425

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AppleTea 1 point a year ago

lol

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TheBat 1 point a year ago

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